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    _B2SPIRIT_BUDDHISMUS
    LECITEL
    LECITEL --- ---
    OGMIOS: Hledal bys svůj nejoblíbenější kabát, když je přece už dávno tvůj, jen ho zrovna nevidíš? To o čem píšeš jako o nějakém rozporu je jen otázka toho, odkud se "na to" díváš. Nauky jsou psány ze stavu poznání. Není se třeba znepokojovat. Je dobré chtít porozumět.

    Svět nám byl nějak předán, my jsme do něj vrženi, děláme co umíme. To neznamená, že vidíme jasně. Nikdo tě však neviní, že nespočíváš v rigpě. Nepřibývá, neubývá, nemizí, stále je.

    Technicky: Já jsem použil slovo původní. To v závorce (přirozený stav mysli, rigpu) jsem použil pro jasné označení toho, co tím slovem původní označuji, podle tradice. Původnost ve smyslu prvotnosti a podstatnosti je rigpě vskutku vlastní. A když spočine sama v sobě, vskutku...přirozenější než kůže vlastního těla.


    INTRINSIC

    vnitřní
    internal, inner, interior, intrinsic, domestic, inward

    vlastní
    own, inherent, intrinsic, proper, personal, respective

    skutečný
    real, actual, true, genuine, effective, intrinsic

    podstatný
    substantial, essential, substantive, fundamental, vital, intrinsic
    OGMIOS
    OGMIOS --- ---
    Ono to slovo prirozeny je trochu z kontextu takto pouzito. Hledal bys neco co ti je prirozeny? No nehledal, byl bys tam. Tebe ale vyprdnou na svet a ty na to koukas co se deje a interpretujes si to po svym. Zadnej stav rigpa ti potom neni prirozenej nybrz mas vytvorenou hromadu konceptu o usporadani vesmiru kde jsi stredobodem a prirozeny stav mysli se snad pouze cirou nahodou v nestrezeny okamzik priblizuje do svetla tve pozornosti. Pokud si toho nahodou vsimnes muzes zacit hledat kde se takovyto stav byti nachazi a proc ti neni prirozeny/samozrejmy kdyz ti vsichni ostatni tvrdej ze to je prece tvoje prirozenost. Ale s klidem, lidi toho napovidaj ale stejnak to je vsehno na kazdym z nas.
    LECITEL
    LECITEL --- ---
    KILLIAN: Máme si uvědomit to, co tu stále je původní vědomí (přirozený stav mysli, rigpu) ne snažit se vytvořit něco, nějaký stav, nebo obsah, který tu nebyl.
    KILLIAN
    KILLIAN --- ---
    Irelevantní flegmatizmus tvé interpretace je deskripcí instinktu a racionality do níž signifikuješ dilema.
    OGMIOS
    OGMIOS --- ---
    Soudim ze to je kopec nepouzitelnejch poucek. Kdybys tam byl tak to nehledas. A co vubec hledas kdyz nevis jak to vypada? Zkousis? Treba by to mohlo byt tohle..? Ukazte..hmm..ne, to to neni. A co treba tohle? Jezis ne fuj to uz vubec ne. Hmm tak ja nevim, ale co kdyz to druzi na me videj ze nevim? Tak budu mlzit at jsou z toho pitomy, hlavne pouzivat cizi slova.
    Hmm, asi by to melo bejt jednodussi. Vzyvam te tedy pravdo, vzyvam te podstato. Projev se a zapal svetlem svym nase srdce. Necht veskere pochyby jsou rozpusteny.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    Dalai Lama |

    The grosser consciousness depends heavily on particles of matter. The subtler consciousness is more independent -- it does not depend so much on the brain. Luminance, radiance, imminence -- the three states of subtle mind -- all of these disappear in the clear Light, the innermost consciousness.
    ~ from THE PATH TO TRANQUILITY by the Dalai Lama
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    The subtlest mind (sems shin-tu phra-mo), known as the clear-light mind (‘od-gsal), has uninterrupted continuity, with no beginning and no end, even when enlightened. Before enlightenment, it is manifest (mngon-‘gyur-ba) automatically for a tiny moment at death. In meditation, it can be made manifest when all the grosser levels of mental activity have been temporarily ceased by means of several different anuttarayoga methods.

    At such manifest times before enlightenment, the clear light subtlest level of mind takes as its object an appearance similar to that which appears when one cognizes voidness – a bareness that is the deep blue color that appears in the sky just before it gets light at dawn, when the sky is devoid of sunlight, moonlight, starlight, and complete darkness. This is the explanation given by Kedrub Norzang Gyatso (mKhas-grub Nor-bzang rgya-mtsho). Some other scholars assert that the manifest clear light mind at such times functions as both a consciousness and as an object of consciousness, but not in the manner of reflexive awareness (rang-rig) as asserted by the Sautrantika, Chittamatra, and Yogachara Svatantrika tenet systems. When enlightened, the clear light mind becomes omniscient awareness (rnam-mkhyen) of the two truths: the extent of what exists (ji-snyed-pa) and the way in which everything exists (ji-lta-ba).

    Dormant Clear Light Mind during Grosser Consciousness — Study Buddhism
    https://studybuddhism.com/...a/tantra-advanced/dormant-clear-light-mind-during-grosser-consciousness
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    jasne svetlo je to vedomi kdyz se do neho podivas, buddhiste tomu rikaji mysl, citta. matlo te slovo mysl, protoze mysl pro tebe je premejsleni.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    IOM_NUKSO: ani nevidime ani nechape - tedy nikoliv.

    jasne svetlo je lidske vedomi v hlave.
    IOM_NUKSO
    IOM_NUKSO --- ---
    jasne svetlo ale neni ve smyslu, ze neco sviti v hlave jako lampa, ale ve smyslu, ze vidime, chapeme
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    KILLIAN: intrinsic awareness (rigpa) is already present - ma na mysli jasne svetlo tvoji mysli, je to podstata tvoji obycejne mysli kdyz se podivas za ni co ji generuje
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    je pritomna v nasem vedomi, staci se na ni zamerit a divat se do ni. Mysl je jasnym svetlem, staci verit a podivat se do vedomi - kdyz chapes rozpusteni do Prazdnoty sunyata, kde zbyva jen pritomnost svateho absolutniho supervedomi - Absolutniho stavu Diamantove Dharmakaye - je jiz pritomna jako jasne svetlo ve tvem kazdodennim vedomi
    IOM_NUKSO
    IOM_NUKSO --- ---
    KILLIAN: ani k tomu objeveni neni prilis strivingu vhodne. jde tam o ten striving. tedy tak nejak to chapu.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    KILLIAN: uc se anglicky, slovicka. Tulku rika ze netlacis meditaci abys vygeneroval rigpu, coz by jiste jinak vedlo ke zvysenemu riziku setkani s Chocholousem.
    KILLIAN
    KILLIAN --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: Jako že když objevím přirozenou pozornost, není nutné vytvářet nějaké
    další přehnané úsilí, které by mi spíše uškodilo než pomohlo.

    zkrátka, nelámat to přes koleno?
    KILLIAN
    KILLIAN --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: Můžeš to prosímtě napsat vlastnímy slovy? Nejsem si jistý jestli tomu rozumím.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    "Until we realize that intrinsic awareness (rigpa) is already present, we must understand that striving to generate that awareness is a wrong path.”

    Tulku Pema Rigtsal
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    "When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

    I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

    When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

    Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world."

    Author: Unknown Monk 1100 A.D.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    Liberation from What’s Trying to Become Liberated

    “Someone might ask, “Isn’t it nihilistic to think that karmic actions and their results do not exist?” In fact, this is not a nihilistic view because there exists no self to have any nihilistic view. There can be a nihilistic view only if there is someone to hold it, but since there is no one to have any view, then there can be no nihilism.”
    Khenpo Tsulstrim Gyamtso

    "When we realize the selflessness of the individual, however, this whole process stops. The wrong views that have their root in the belief in self cease, then the mental afflictions cease, then karmic actions cease, and as a result of that, birth in samsara’s cycle of existence ceases."
    Khenpo Tsulstrim Gyamtso

    Here is the key phrase:

    “In fact, this is not a nihilistic view because ‘there exists no self’ to have any nihilistic view. “

    This also means there is no self that acts, because there is no self to act or that could own karma.

    This also means there is no self to become enlightened.

    There is no self to receive teachings.

    There is no self that suffers, is born or dies.

    This self illusion that becomes a center of “personal experience”, is like the self the subconscious generates in every dream at night. It’s a an illusory contraction of prana in the heart along with a strong and unquestioned feeling of “I am”.

    Once that contracted state in the subtle body of the heart occurs, the “I am” thought becomes reflected in the crown chakra like a reflection in an otherwise crystal clear mirror. Prana becomes drawn to the head and the mirror of awareness becomes clouded with pranic thought, all centered around “me”.

    From that conceived notion of “I am” (the feeling of ‘me’), a world of further conceptual constructions regarding that imaginary self, appear like the rampant growth of weeds in a summer garden.

    However, that self-image and belief in a personal self, is only an empty image appearing in the mirror of mind, just like who you mistakenly seem to be in a dream at night.

    The one seeking liberation and enlightenment is only this mind generated illusion of being a self.
    When the mind suddenly ceases generating this self hallucination, consciousness as “cognitive presence”, drops down into the heart, which simultaneously becomes free of the pranic contraction that generated the strong “feeling” of being a “me”.

    Existence becomes heart centered, and an expansive profound peace and contentment always attends. It’s only the “me” illusion and its pranic contraction that can break up that profound depth of total peace.

    Almost all deep insights and spiritual experiences are all happening as perceived by “me”.
    They are of no use because they belong to an entity that doesn’t actually exist, like the adventures that occur during a dream while asleep.

    You can’t get rid of this “me” because that “you” IS the “me”.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
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