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    FESAKFLOYDDementogenní psychofarmaka a metabolické jedy
    MORPHLER
    MORPHLER --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: takze to beru jako odpoved na MORPHLER chces to tu spise o odkazech...
    MORPHLER
    MORPHLER --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: je dik. to me nenapadlo- precist si nastenku. nahazet asi nemusis, me studie na toto tema az tak moc nezajimaji, ze tyhle drogy meni mozek uz verim i tak .. tak jestli nic jineho nez "nahazovani" nemas tak asi zase pujdu..
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    MORPHLER: I used to be inside the system as a clinical psychologist, and I used to believe what the psychiatrists told us, that the medication was needed, often for life.

    It is so catastrophic that we now see that the very medication that is seen as so essential, now destroys the brains, without having a single long term study to prove anything but deterioration.

    I am ashamed of my profession, that we psychologists have done so little to oppose the psychiatrists. And I am so outraged over the psychiatrists who continue this mass destruction of people’s brains.

    No medical treatment, even from ancient times days even come close to the damage antipsychotics do now. And to think that people now take them as augmentors for depression treatment and as mood stabilizors! The best selling medication in America, that is a prime example of mass delusion!

    Well, you will be very stable when you have no brain left! This brings a whole new meaning to the word “shrink”


    I started working in a mental hospital after haveing done private practice for 12 years. Cognitive therapy worked marvels for most of my patients in private practice. The only patients who seemed to not get better were the medicated ones. In the mental hospital I saw the same trend. I started wondering if the drugs actually made them worse, and I actually thought i was getting deluded. Was I the only one who had such a heretical thought. After I left the mental hospital and started private practice again, I stumbled upon Peter Breggin’s book “Toxic Psychiatry” and all the pieces of the puzzle fell into place. I realized that most of the suicides I had witnessed had been after abrupt medication changes, that most of the bipolar patients had turned manic on antidepressants, and that many of the anxiety patients that were difficult to cure with cognitive therapy were actually suffering from akathesia.I still remember how we psychologists “bought” the psychiatrists explanation of how the SSRIs were like fertilizers for the brain. I was happy to write my notes with a Zyprexa pen, and have free lunches sponsored by Lilly. Knowing what I know now, I would have been disgusted to write anything with it.
    After my eyes were opened I have seen the typical cases where patients become very akathesic from zoloft and zyprexa, try to commit suicide, have to be restrained etc. One patient finally got so constipated from antidepressants that she had to be admitted in the gastro department. They stopped the antidepressants, and she never had to be restrain again. Another ripped of flakes of skin on her arms until we stopped her Effexor, then all the extreme anxiety symptoms went away.

    Even with strong demonstrations like this, it is very difficult to get doctors to change their minds. They insist that these medications save lives. Cognitive dissonance prevents them from seeing their errors. They would not be able to sleep at night if they knew of all the patients they had destroyed. They have to continue believing in the medications to save their sanity!!

    - researcher

    More Evidence That Antipsychotics Shrink the Brain | Mad In America
    http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/09/more-evidence-that-antipsychotics-shrink-the-brain/
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    MORPHLER: precti si nastenku jeste, to je neco pro Tebe. dneska vecer to sem nahazim.
    MORPHLER
    MORPHLER --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: a?
    Co treba do tretice doporucit precist zahlavi...
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    cetli jste peclive zahlavi ?
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    MORPHLER: pridam k tomu clanky a k nim komentare. diskuse bude. vydrz. jsou to dementogeny !
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    prosim moje fanousky aby mi tady nedelali paseku !
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    IXTREMIST: neuroleptika. napr. levopromazin (tisercin), haloperidol, flupentixol (fluanxol). nektera atypicka antipsychotika jsou metabolicke jedy (vedou k cukrovce) - olanzapin (zyprexa). atypicka antipsychotika jsou taky neuroleptika a poskozuji mozek.

    clanky k tomu budou.
    IOM_NUKSO
    IOM_NUKSO --- ---
    Treba z prispevku "BUH" a i to LSD je patrne, ze ses rozjedenej az-az. Jak jsi na tom coby v kariere toho tajneho vyzkumu?
    IXTREMIST
    IXTREMIST --- ---
    CORNELA: Pokud tomu rozumím dobře, nejsi odpovědná za tuhle diskuzi, takže díky za nevyžádanou odpověď.
    IXTREMIST
    IXTREMIST --- ---
    Mno, zajímá mě, co a kdo je kocour, jeho příspěvky v auditku LSD jsou ehm "zajímavé".
    Mohl by mi prosím někdo odpovědný za tuto diskuzi vysvětlit termín "Dementogenní psychofarmaka" a k tomu uvést alespoň 3 reálně vyráběné farmaka?
    MORPHLER
    MORPHLER --- ---
    CORNELA: ne. vzdelanim jsem socialni pracovník.
    MORPHLER
    MORPHLER --- ---
    CORNELA: Krizova intervence
    MORPHLER
    MORPHLER --- ---
    CORNELA: dik za na názor. jsem v situaci (KI), kdy nekdy lidem tyhle leky doporuciji (respektive doporucuji pschiatra který jim je nejspíše predepsie), ale nekdy se naopak potrebuji napojit na jejich odpor k nim hledat s nimi jiné cesty, pro ne prijatelne...
    SHEALA
    SHEALA --- ---
    CORNELA: jj s tím pohybem chápu, hele ad ta péče, to je věc co by mě taky zajímala, jaký jsou alternativy. Něco málo vím, ale furt málo... (Docházení asistentů nebo pečovatelek, ale nevím jestli tohle je i v případě lidí co mají kognitivní deficit, nebo jsou i agresivní, respitní péče? taky nevím jak je to moc reálný... )
    MORPHLER
    MORPHLER --- ---
    CORNELA: chapu. nemohu zastirat, ze i u mne nakonec tento klub mozna vyvola jen pobaveni... nebo soucit.
    nicmene, jestli to dobře chápu i z jinych klubu, jsi doktorka (nemylim se?). jak se jako lekar divas na negativni dusledky (modernich) antipsychotik? Je o pro tebe nutne zlo vyvazene jejich prinosem nebo to vidis ještě nejak jinak? snad se shodneme, ze nektere ucinky těchto leku znamenaji pro pacinety problém..
    SHEALA
    SHEALA --- ---
    CORNELA: já osobně v tom vidím rozdíl... vozejk dává možnost pohybu, popruh zajistí proti pádu... pochopitelně že domácí péče je pro mě osobně priorita.
    SHEALA
    SHEALA --- ---
    MORPHLER: jakože sorry, ale mikeš navíc není nějakej lidskoprávní aktivista co by řešil podmínky v psychiatrické péči, nedostatek peněz se tam projevuje no... různě. Proč třeba na gerontu přivazovali babičky přes den k židli? Protože není rozpočet na vozejky s popruhem, nebo protiže je baví ty babičky mít přivázaný? A tak pořád dokola. (Jo, uznávám sem taky monotematická :) ) (Doufám že se to od roku 2003 někam pousunulo...
    PETGRIDUS
    PETGRIDUS --- ---
    MORPHLER: jenže ty lidi si pak neuvědomujou, že místo toho "pekla" v léčebně by z nich mohl zůstat jen krvavej flek někde pod mostem v důsledku neléčené ataky.
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