no 8mm kamery nejak nemely exif, tak nevim, cece ;))

DRAGON: jo to bude asi vono no..) jako na prvni pohled to vypada celkem real, ale je to fejk prej no...) jestli je to na 8mm kameru tak to je ten co sem videl..)

TANTRAMAN: ja verim ze maj tri vaginy a 6 paru prsou :))
to by bylo teprve adventure :))
BRAINWASHER: bylo to cb, ale jako fejk to vubec nevypadalo, ja to schvalne zkusim doma najit, urcite to mam na nejakym archivnim cd s fotkama :)

TANTRAMAN: jj, dyz sem byl malej) tak sem vod meiera(doufam ze nekecam) cet naky knizecky mno..))
DRAGON: no a bylo to barevny bo CB ? ja videl tu CB a to je ten fake prej... koncilo to taky votevrenym torsem...)

DRAGON: jo třeba taková plejeřanka Semjase vůbec není k zahození http://images.google.com/images?q=semjase&ndsp=24&svnum=10&hl=cs&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:cs:official_s&start=0&sa=N

otázka je jak to maj se sexem. jestli dávaj na potkání nebo vůbec :-))) nebo jestli vůbec maj něco jako sex, ale snad jo... jinak se z týhle planety ani nehnu, to vám povídám !!!

BRAINWASHER: jasne, ja nemyslel primo takovy ty jak lezi zelenej ufounek na bily keramicky desce, okolo nej doktori v helmach a to cele v mistnosti bez oken a dveri;)) sem videl nejaky close up fotky otevrenyho torsa a tak, ale to taky muze bejt fake, to jo

DRAGON: o)) no minimalne ta pitva uz je celkem vyvracena..)

TANTRAMAN: ze se tam fakt stalo neco, s cim si nevedeli rady/co neznali, takze to dopadlo tak jak to dopadlo: teorie, ufo myth atd.. a mozna na tom neco bude. Videl sem nejaky fotky, pitva mimozemstana, fotky lodi, fotky specialni vojensky skupiny z area51 ktery meli fakt pohotovost primo z toho roku, nektery se fakt pusobily verohodne. Ale to je tezky rict, tohle je zrovna causa, ktera je hodne opredena mysteriem, nikdo nevi nic jiste.
Ale preju si aby to byla pravda, pac by mne fakt stvalo, kdybysme byli sami :) coz nejsme! urcite existujou ve vesmiru jiny druhy zenskejch, musej, jinak sme v pytli!;D

DRAGON: moc ne. co si o tom myslíš ?

MARNEYY: no to zas opatrne, manipulovatelnost lidi nezna hranic, tim spis v Americe. A je jedno jaky rok :) co treba roswell, bavili ste se tu o roswellu? (sem tu novej)

A mimo jine, jeste poznamku. Tehdy nebyli lidi tak dobre manipulovatelni jako dneska a USA nebyli tim policejnim statem, jako je to dnes. Takze neverim, ze by se to tehdy podarilo ututlat. IMHO by to byla daleko vetsi akce, nez priprava 9_11.

TANTRAMAN: No a to je prave ono. Nejhorsi totiz bylo postavit Saturn V. To byla cely zaklad uspechu. A rozdil mezi obeznou drahou a letem k mesici uz neni nijak zasadni. Jde jenom o to, dobre to zpocitat a mit dostatek paliva. Neverim tomu, ze by litali okolo zeme a po trech dnech pristali. Tady jde o to, ze v NASA tehdy pracovalo spousta lidi, kteri byli kosmonautice a letani hodne oddani a neverim tomu, ze by se na takove saskarne podileli. Krome toho, pokud by falsovali tohle, verim, ze by ututlali napriklad havarii Apolla 1, pri ktere (vlastne pri nacviku) zemreli tri astronauti atd...

MARNEYY: proč falšovat start apolla ? mohli vynést modul na oběžnou dráhu a po třech dnech se vrátit zpět. nebo mohli měsíc jen obletět. problémem zůstává, že by o tom vědělo příliš mnoho lidí. rádiová prodleva v komunikaci s měsícem je asi 3,5 sekundy jestli si to dobře pamatuju. podle toho se dá velmi snadno vypočítat vzálenost modulu od země. nezapomeňte, že tehdy komunikace nebyla kódovaná a poslouchali to tisíce radioamatérů. a to nejsou žádný blbci. pravada se časem ukáže. v této chvíli nejsem rozhodnut ani pro jednu stranu. těžko říct.

DRAGON: na wikipedii je to taky pekne zpracovany - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations

kdyz sem se na to rano ptal, tak sem presne doufal, ze se toho chytnete a bude tu tahle diskuze. Pac mne zajimaj ruzny nazory. Dik, panove ;-)

MARNEYY: jojo tak nak..)) ty rakety mohli nekam zmizet klido, ale ten zbytek to uz asi ne no...))

BRAINWASHER: Protoze se o letectvi a kosmonautiku opravdu zajimam, tak presto, ze jsem naklonen veskerejm konspiracnim teoriim ohledne 9/11 a NWO, tak zrovna konspiracni teorie ohledne pristani na mesici jsou podle nesmyslne. Zfalsovat start rakety Saturn V, zfalsovat lety jako Sojuz Apollo, to by podle mne bylo nemozne a pokud uz americani takovou techniku prokazatelne meli, tak by bylo skutecne daleko tezsi to cele zfalsovat, nez tam doletet. Daleko nejslozitejsi totiz v te dobe bylo postavit tak velky nosic, ktery by dokazal vynest celou lunarni sestavu na obeznou drahu zeme a to se opravdu zfalsovat neda.

k tomu mesici sem videl na discovery-) anti konspiracni dokument, ty stiny a vlajka tam byly celkem vyvraceny(zadna gravitace ani vzduch,prusvitnost vlajky, setrvacnost pohybu) + hlavni operny body byli, tech nekolik desitek(par set) kg mesicnich sutru ruzne po laboratorich ve svete, pak zrcatko(na mesici) na ktery posilaj nakej merici laser a funguje dodnes + to ze to vysilani bylo zachytitelny i radioamatersky, takze tehdy by min USSR pustili ven to ze to je fake + naky veci co si uz nepamatuju a koncilo to tim ze by NASA vyslo draz to utajit nez provest.. takze nevim no..))

TANTRAMAN: na tech uz si schutnavaji Mengeleho zaci ,]]

DRAGON: o tom mam tez celkem fajn dokument, v po nalinkuju...

nevim jestli vite, ale ..

UN urges US to close "secret prisons", Guantanamo
GENEVA, May 19 (Reuters) - The United Nations committee against torture told the United States on Friday it should close any secret prisons abroad and the Guantanamo Bay facility in Cuba, saying they violated international law.
The 10 independent experts, who examined the U.S. record at home and abroad, also urged President George W. Bush's administration to "rescind any interrogation technique" that constituted torture or cruel treatment, citing use of dogs to terrify detainees.
The United States "should ensure that no one is detained in any secret detention facility under its de facto effective control" and "investigate and disclose the existence of any such facilities," said the committee, which has moral authority but no legal power to enforce its recommendations.
"Detaining persons in such conditions constitutes, per se, a violation of the Convention," said the committee which examines compliance with the U.N. Convention against Torture, or other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.
The United States is holding hundreds of terrorism suspects, most arrested since Al Qaeda's Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, at its prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay. It refuses to comment on allegations of secret jails.
Washington, which sent 30 senior officials to Geneva in early May for the committee's hearings, defended its treatment of foreign terrorism suspects held abroad, saying there had been "relatively few actual cases of abuse".
Human rights groups have accused the United States of mistreating detainees through cruel interrogation methods including "water-boarding"', a form of mock drowning.
In its findings, the committee voiced concern at "reliable reports of acts of torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" by U.S. military or civilian personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"The state party (the United States) should take immediate measures to eradicate all forms of torture and ill-treatment of detainees by its military or civilian personnel ... and should promptly and thoroughly investigate such acts and prosecute all those responsible...," it said.
All detainees should be registered and a record kept of the time and place of interrogations, according to the body which told the United States that it should report back in a year.

Four prisoners attempt suicide at Guantanamo camp
GUANTANAMO BAY U.S. NAVAL BASE, May 18 (Reuters) - Four Guantanamo prisoners tried to commit suicide on Thursday and several others attacked guards who rushed in to halt one of the attempts, a camp spokesman said. Three took overdoses of prescription medicine they had apparently been hoarding, and the fourth tried to hang himself, said Cmdr. Robert Durand, a detention camp spokesman. None of the suicide attempts succeeded, he said.
"At this point, I have no idea of motive, no idea of any co-ordination and no idea of any intended message," Durand said.
The attempted hanging took place in a medium-security camp where prisoners live in groups of up to 10 men in long bays lined with metal cots. When guards entered the unit, roommates "tried to prevent them from rescuing the detainee by using fans, light fixtures and other items as improvised weapons," Durand said. Guards halted the attempted hanging, quelled the disturbance and moved the roommates to a maximum-security area, Durand said.
The three who took overdoses were treated with activated charcoal to absorb and neutralize the medications, and two were held for observation in the camp hospital, Durand said.
The detention camp at the U.S. naval base in Cuba holds about 460 prisoners in five separate compounds. Durand said guards were searching all of the cells for contraband. The United States has faced criticism from human rights groups and some of its allies for holding prisoners at Guantanamo indefinitely. Some have been there since the camp opened in January 2002.