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    GORGworld conspiracy // 911 // new world order ... part 3 :: Love your local Illuminati :)
    SUPAFLY
    SUPAFLY --- ---
    no jen tak nakonec - mikronuklearni zarizeni se vyrabi z plutonia 239, ktere vyzaruje jen alfa a beta zareni, ktere nepronika kuzi a je obtizne detekovatelne beznymi geiger-mullerovymi trubicemi, ktere jsou citlive na zareni gama. tudiz dobre meritelna radiace nezustava - ba naopak na radiacnim pozadi mesta je tezko zachytitelny vybuch mikronuklearni munice. hlavni nebezpeci po vybuchu tkvi v tom, ze plutonium je velice jedovata latka - hrozi vdechnuti rozptylenych castic. no samozrejme nevim jak to v bejrutu bylo, ale kuprikladu na bali byli lidi popaleni evidentne svetelnym zarenim - bylo to videt na fotkach zranenych - vypadali, jako by byli moc dlouho na slunci - popaleni z pozaru po vybuchu trhaviny vypada jinak.
    BULHI
    BULHI --- ---
    REDGUY: no to me taky napadlo, ale uz jsem to nechtel vic rozpitvavat :-) .. myslim ze bude lepsi tohle tema uzavrit, stejnak vime prd :-)
    REDGUY
    REDGUY --- ---
    Arrg. To skutecne zadneho z pritomnych nenapadlo, ze po nejake "micronuke" by musela zustat velmi dobre meritelna radiace?
    A supafly, pro tvoji informaci, 200 kilo (cili dva velke batohy) trhaviny lze pod silnici dostat i jinak nez tak ze je tam zakopes...
    BULHI
    BULHI --- ---
    SUPAFLY: no prave ze na tom obrazku zadnej hrib neni, navic zakopat kufr s atomovkou nebo par bedem s vybusninou, to uz je jedno... psali tam o tom, ze na tom miste probehly nejaky prace na silnici, cili se tam kopalo stejne... proste si myslim, ze je to hovadina, ale je to jen muj nazor.... ovsem chtel jsem se o nej podelit, nektery veci tady jsou proste prilis pritazeny za vlasy...
    SUPAFLY
    SUPAFLY --- ---
    bulhi: no nevim, jak chces zakopavat 200kilo trhaviny nenapadne pod silnici. ta tvoje fotka imho potvrzuje tvrzeni ze v bejrutu to byla micronuke - ten tvuj hrib je o dost mensi a neni tak pekne "vyrysovany" jako na tech ostatnich fotkach. navic zakopana bomba vyhodi do luftu kupu zeminy a ten kour z vybuchu se tim rozptyli a zustane spis pri zemi. bomba v aute zase nikdy neudela krater. podle me je ta micronuke docela dost dobre mozna - malinka, spolehlive znici cil a psi ji nevycmuchaji :)
    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    Israeli Nuclear Terrorism

    IsNuk.com
    3-4-5

    The State of Israel is the 4th largest military power in the world. The State is believed to possess the largest and most sophisticated nuclear arsenal outside of the 5 declared nuclear powers- the USA, Russia, France, China and the UK. A nuclear reactor and plutonium production facility was built by France back in the late 1950's and early 60's in the southern desert of Israel called the Negev Nuclear Research Centre, or simply "Dimona".

    Since that time, the state has subsequently developed an extensive array of tactical nuclear weapons, nuclear artillery shells and nuclear-tipped medium range ballistic missiles (the Jericho 1 and 2). Arsenal estimates range in the order of between 2000-5000 warheads- many of them FIRST STRIKE weapons, most of them nuetron bombs, designed to maximize human kill ratio and minimize physical damage, since Israel is such a small nation.

    The United States provides the State of Israel with an annual US$4 billion in financial and military aid- by far the largest recipient of US foreign aid of any country in the world.
    Extensive nuclear and military collaboration has occured between the two nations since Israel's birth as a nation in 1948.

    The race to develop the world's first atomic bomb began at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the USA in the 1940's. J. Robert Oppenheimer, who headed the Project, succeeded in developing the world's first atomic bomb with the 'Trinity' blast in New Mexico at that time. Edward Teller soon afterward developed the Hydrogen bomb, followed by Sam Cohen who, in years following, invented the Nuetron Bomb. All 3 were Jewish. Connect the dots and you have the nuclear founded and bred nation of Israel - the ties couldn't be stronger.

    Israel is now the only state in the world with nuclear weapons that does not admit to having such weapons. It has consistently refused to allow international inspection of its arsenal and facilities and is among the very few states in the world that have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

    The country is today probably the MOST dangerous and MOST lethal "rogue" nation on Earth- a "trip-wire" that could most likely trigger or ignite a nuclear World War 3 in the Middle East and throughout the world,
    particularily in light of the current tensions between Palestine and the surrounding Arab nations in the immediate region.

    Nuclear disarmament must begin with Israel. Until that time, Arab states in the region have an inalienable "right" and "obligation" to develop similiar weapons (of mass destruction) to counter this overwhelming threat to their nations and peoples. The escalation of this particular conflict WILL end in disaster for all parties if it is not mitigated soon and is instead allowed to evolve further, recognizing the sacred land and religious dimensions that so implicitly define this specific conflict and area of the world.

    SOURCES
    1. US Nuclear Terrorism
    Website: http://www.geocities.com/pacificwhores
    2. Colorado FIRST STRIKE Project
    Website: http://www.geocities.com/alphacentauri774/home.html
    3. International Jewish Terrorism
    Website: http://www.geocities.com/shekinah7979
    4. International Jewish Empire
    Website: http://ijem.20m.com
    5. Israeli Nuclear Weapons Program
    Website: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel
    6. Ariel Sharon: Israel's Jewish Hitler
    Website:
    http://mtss.dnsalias.org/americanstateterrorism/zionazis/SatanicSharon.html
    7. Center for Non-Proliferation Studies
    460 Pierce St., Monterey, California 93940 USA
    Website: http://cns.miis.edu/
    8. Federation of American Scientists
    1717 'K' St- NW- #209, Washington, DC 20036 USA
    Website: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke
    9. **Book- "Dimona- the Third Temple"
    by Mark Gaffney
    10. US Campaign to Free Mordechai Vanunu
    P.O. Box 43384, Tuscon, Arizona 85733 USA
    Website: http://www.nonviolence.org/vanunu
    11. Janes Intellegence Review
    Sentinel House, 163 Brighton Rd, Coulsdon, Surrey, CR5 2YH
    United Kingdom
    Website: http://www.janes.com/
    12. **Book- "Open Secrets: Israel's Nuclear and Foreign Policies"
    by Israel Shahak
    Website: http://www.radioislam.com/
    13. **Book- "The Sampson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and US Foreign Policy"
    by Seymour Hersch
    14. **Book- "Dangerous Liason: The Inside Story of US-Israeli Covert
    Relationship"
    by Alexander and Leslie Cockburn
    15. Bulletin of Atomic Scientists
    6042 South Kimbark, Chicago, Illinois 60637 USA
    Website: http://www.thebulletin.org/
    16. Nuclear Policy Research Institute (NPRI)
    Attn: Helen Caldicott
    1925 'K' St- NW, Suite 210, Washington, DC 20006 USA
    Website: http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/
    17. Jonas the Prophet/Israel's Prophet of Doom
    Website: http://www.geocities.com/holysmokes777
    18. **Book- "Israel and the Bomb"
    by Avner Cohen

    http://www.rense.com/general63/isuk.htm
    BULHI
    BULHI --- ---
    tak tady jeden ukazkovej, je to vybuch munice, viz odkaz...


    http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/image1.nsf/lookup/2004728115250?opendocument
    BULHI
    BULHI --- ---
    JAXXE: no ja na to taky nejsem zadnej odbornik, ale ten clanek vypada, jako ze tam autor tu atomovku pridal jen proto, aby z obycejnyho tvrzeni, ze ten atentat spachala izraelska tajna sluzba (proti tomu nic nemam, to muze bejt klidne mozny), udelal poradnou jobovku... mam hned nekolik duvodu, proc si myslim, ze je to ptakovina

    1. na tom obrazku zadnej hrib neni, je to jen kour po pozaru, kterej se samozrejme postupne rozptyluje do jakyhosi oblaku, ale to neni nic divnyho
    2. i kdyby tam nekdo hrib videl, tak tenhle typ oblaku vznika po vybuchu casto, nevim presne proc, nejakej fyzik by nam to mohl vysvetlit, ale v zasade je to kvuli teplymu vzduchu stoupajicimu vzhuru, kterej unasi ten kour a prach.. zkusim najit nejakej obrazek vybuchu bezny letecky pumy, kde by to bylo hezky videt.... jaderny zbrane jsou tim proslaveny proto, ze extremni teplota v epicentru ten hrib udela samozrejme obrovskej a takovej jakoby "vyrysovanej", proste hezci :-)
    3. ten krater neni nijak velkej, srovnej to s horicim autem, ktery stoji za nim.. takovouhle diru udela podle me 200 kilo vybusniny uplne v pohode, obzvlast pokud byla kousek pod zemi... nemuselo to bejt tnt, ale klidne neco silnejsiho... to taky v podstate jen odhaduju, ale videl jsem kratery po ruznecjh delostreleckech granatech a bombach, takze to mam s cim srovnat...
    4. no a posledni duvod tak nejak souvisi s tim predchozim - proc by pouzivali atomovku, kdyz muzou to samy udelat i konvencni vybusninou, ktera se da sehnat i primo na miste, zatimco pasovat jadernou zbran, to je fakt prilis...

    a jeste neco - chapu, ze to sem pastujes jak jsi to nasel, ja timhle kritizuju cloveka, kterej neco takovyho vubec vypusti do sveta, tedy autora...
    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    bulhi: jak jsem koupil, tak prodavam ;) nejsem expert na atomove zbrane...

    ale imho je z fotek jasne, ze slo o hodne mohutnou explozi, ze bomba nebyla v zaparkovanem aute ale pod cestou a ze ten kdo ji tam dal, nebyl jen tak nejaky obycejny terorista. udajne by na to nestacila ani tuna TNT. podobne silna exploze byla treba na Bali, v Oklahoma city a Vialls tvrdi ze mossad/cia na takovehle akce pouziva mininukes vyrobene v izraelske dimone, o kterych bohuzel cely svet ma minimum informaci...

    http://www.google.com/search?q=bali+micro+nuke

    http://www.vialls.com/ ctrl+f nuke

    ja sam nevim co si o viallsovi myslet, nekdy mi prijde az podezrele jake informace ma ;)
    kazdy clanek je v podstate hodne kontroverzni

    fotka vybuchu na bali:



    These facts seem to indicate that a small nuclear device was used. How else do you get a crater five-foot-deep and 13 feet wide, 47 buildings destroyed, over a hundred cars destroyed, skin falling off the bones, and such a high death toll? How small of a device would make this type of explosion, and who has the capability to get their hands on such a weapon? From the Brookings Institute, we get some very interesting pictures that give us a lot of detail. This information was provided courtesy of the National Resources Defense Council.

    Notice that this device weighs only 163 pounds as of 1988, fully 14 years ago. It was capable of producing a blast of 0.01, or 0.02-1 kiloton and was operationally deployed between 1964 and 1988. These inclusive dates sound as if this particular device was discontinued in 1988, undoubtedly because it was superseded by other, more compact, and possibly more devastating weapons. These weapons were planned to be used primarily as land mines to slow down the approach of enemy troops; on other words, they were planned to be buried before detonation!

    As we quoted toward the beginning of this article, no Arab terrorist group -- including Al Qaeda -- is known to have possession of such weaponry. The list of countries who have this weaponry are: the United States, Russia, Britain, France, Israel, and maybe China!



    vybuch v jakarte:



    micro nuke



    vubuch micro nuke v nevade

    KERRAY
    KERRAY --- ---
    KASUMI --- --- 0.12:58 5.3.2005
    Co ma spolecneho Hirosima, Nagasaki a Teheran?

    Zatim nic..
    BULHI
    BULHI --- ---
    JAXXE --- --- 17.30:31 27.2.2005
    Zionists Nuke Downtown Beirut - Again!
    .
    .
    sice uz je to tejden stary, ale nemuzu nereagovat, protoze takovouhle kravinu jsem uz dlouho nevidel.... ten obrazek s popiskem "Characteristic white mushroom cloud rises above Beirut..." - to je fakt moc .... tohle muze vyplodit jen clovek, kterej si mysli, ze jsou vsichni totalni idioti... a nejhorsi je, ze spoustu lidi skutecne takovou chujovinu sezere
    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    Now we know where Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Texas) thinks the weapons of mass destruction are buried: in Syria, which he said he'd like to nuke to smithereens.

    Speaking at a veterans' celebration at Suncreek United Methodist Church in Allen, Texas, on Feb. 19, Johnson told the crowd that he explained his theory to President Bush and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) on the porch of the White House one night. Johnson said he told the president that night, "Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on 'em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore."

    The crowd roared with applause.


    http://www.counterpunch.org/thoreau03022005.html
    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    Will Europe Bring Chaos to the World Order by Dethroning America?

    William R. Hawkins
    Wednesday, March 02, 2005

    In his new book The United States of Europe: The New Superpower and the End of American Supremacy, Washington Post reporter T. R. Reid offers a “warning” about a “geopolitical revolution of historic dimensions.” The European Union will become a “second Superpower” that sees itself not as the ally of the United States, but as its competitor in creating a new world order. This new order will be based on the utopian aspirations of 19th century liberalism: economic integration, disarmament, and world government, with a hefty dose of democratic socialism in the form of a comprehensive welfare system and corporate statism.

    http://www.americaneconomicalert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=1310
    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    ;)

    Russia Moved Iraqi WMD

    Moscow Moved Weapons to Syria and Lebanon

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/2/230625.shtml
    ANGLAN
    ANGLAN --- ---
    33 Things You Should Know About the Middle East and America

    Why is it that the “demonstrators” in Beirut, Lebanon, had all their signs in English?
    And all identical matching flags, like they had all come out of the same box?

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10087&l=i&size=1&hd=0
    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    TIMETABLE TO SYRIA CONQUEST

    1.) September 2000: Syria named as a US target, as was Iraq, Iran, North Korea and China by the neocon Project for the New American Century.

    2.) January 2001: Neocons behind that report, including Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz, come to power with their puppet, George W. Bush.

    3.) September 2001: The neocon report a year earlier said that its blueprint for conquest would be slow 'absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a New Pearl Harbour'. Now came what Bush called 'Our Pearl Harbour' -- the 9/11 attacks used as an excuse for the 'war on terror', starting with the invasion of Afghanistan.

    4.) January 2002: Bush neocon speech writer David Frum coins phrase the 'Axis of Evil' for Iraq, Iran and North Korea, which Bush delivers in the State of the Union address.

    5.) March 2003: Invasion of Iraq using the lie about weapons of mass destruction.

    6.) January 2005: Bush re-inaugurated and immediately the administration rhetoric targets Syria and Iran.

    7.) February 2005: Former Lebanese prime minister, Rafik Hariri, is killed by a car bomb and the United States and Israel blame Syria while producing (as with Iraq) no evidence.

    8.) February 2005: Five killed in Tel Aviv suicide bomb and Israel insists (again with no evidence) that Syria was behind it. Why would Syria, knowing they were such a target for the Bush lunatics, give them the ammunition at precisely the right time to support their claims about a Syrian threat? Answer: They didn't.

    The next steps are sure to follow very soon ...
    'SYRIA IS DOOMED'

    http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/syria.htm



    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    America by the numbers

    No. 1?

    by Michael Ventura February 23, 2005

    No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in:

    * The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).
    * The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
    * Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
    * "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).
    * Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!
    * "The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).
    * "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).
    * Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).
    * Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.
    * The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.
    * "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.
    * Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)
    * "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.
    * Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).
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    * The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
    * Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
    * The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).
    * "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.
    * "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).
    * "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).
    * The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).
    * U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).
    * Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).
    * Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.
    * Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
    * As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
    * Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.
    * One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).
    * "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).
    * "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).
    * Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).
    * "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).
    * "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

    No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

    The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.



    Reprinted from the Austin Chronicle.

    http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12985.asp
    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    Neoconservatives push internment for American Muslims

    Mr. Campos writes on Jan. 4, in the Rocky Mountain News, that Mr. Pipes implied in the Dec. 28 column that the wholesale relocation of American Muslims to internment camps might be a “good” idea.

    Mr. Pipes also said he was encouraged by the results of a Cornell University survey that said nearly 44 percent of all respondents agree that at least one form of restriction should be placed on Muslim American civil liberties.

    “The thing we must see through is that Mr. Pipes is raising the issue of internment camps as if they don’t already exist,” offered Imam Rashid. He said that a recent report indicated that New York State had turned over several locations thought to be internment camps to the Immigration Naturalization Services (INS). “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out who will fill these camps,” Imam Rashid suggested.

    The Cornell survey summary said 37 percent of respondents believe a terrorist attack within the next 12 months is likely; 19 percent of the respondents who pay a high level of attention to television news “feel personally’’ in danger, as opposed to the nine percent who pay low level attention to television news. Nearly half (47 percent) of respondents believe that Islam is more likely to encourage violence compared to other religions. That percentage rises to 65 percent among highly religious respondents.

    When Mr. Shanahan was asked why this particular topic was used, he said that it was a timely topic; and they wanted to see if the subject would generate a wide debate, which he said it had.

    “The government has adopted Madison Avenue advertising techniques to influence public opinion,” argues Imam Rashid, noting that world-renowned lecturer and writer Noam Chomsky calls it the “science of the engineering of public consent.”

    http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1818.shtml

    JAXXE
    JAXXE --- ---
    Keď hovorí Bush, je tu sloboda prejavu?

    SME

    Vyhostenie dvoch Čechov a zákaz vstupu na Slovensko na desať rokov za to, že počas prejavu amerického prezidenta Georgea Busha v Bratislave zapálili americkú papierovú vlajočku, české ministerstvo zahraničia rešpektuje.
    Naše úrady ich čin označili za priestupok, v Česku by ich mohli za pálenie vlajky teoreticky stíhať za trestný čin výtržníctva. Petr Dimun z českého ministerstva spravodlivosti hovorí, že aj to je málo pravdepodobné. "Aj na základe skúseností spred roku 1989, keď padali veľmi prísne rozsudky za pálenie sovietskej vlajky a po revolúcii sa to rehabilitovalo," vraví Dimun.

    Počas Bushovho prejavu na Hviezdoslavovom námestí, ktorý bol najmä o slobode, sa však udiali aj ďalšie veci hraničiace s porušovaním slobody prejavu. Mladému mužovi, ktorý jeden po druhom vyťahoval plagáty s kritickým textom, ich vzápätí bral po anglicky hovoriaci muž v obleku.
    Na vstupenkách na zhromaždenie americká strana síce informovala návštevníkov, že nesmú mať plagáty, ale právnici upozorňujú, že tým bola zrejme porušená sloboda prejavu.
    Ústavný právnik Radoslav Procházka pripomína, že slobodu prejavu u nás možno obmedziť iba v presne stanovených prípadoch a podľa jeho názoru ani s prihliadnutím na okolnosti Bushovho prejavu neboli na takéto obmedzenie splnené podmienky. Ministerstvo vnútra neodpovedalo na otázku, či išlo o porušenie práv občanov a akým bezpečnostným rizikom mohol byť papierový plagát. "S vašimi otázkami sa obráťte na veľvyslanectvo USA," odpovedalo.

    Veľvyslanectvo USA nám odporučilo, aby sme položili otázky Bielemu domu, lebo ten celú návštevu organizoval.
    Mladíka s kritickými plagátmi videl aj šéf brannobezpečnostného výboru Róbert Kaliňák zo Smeru. "Prejavoval sa tichým spôsobom a nebolo to nič urážlivé. Čo som videl, boli klasické posolstvá," povedal. To, že mu plagáty odoberali, vníma ako rozpor s obsahom Bushovho prejavu aj vzhľadom na to, že Bush spomínal ako príklad slobody sviečkovú demonštráciu v roku 1988, keď ľudia prejavovali svoj nesúhlas podobne.
    Faktom je, že napriek zákazu o kúsok ďalej držala iná skupina ľudí veľký plagát. Ten bol voči Bushovi kladný a nikto im ho nezobral.

    Šéf Úradu na ochranu ústavných činiteľov Ján Packa sa nechcel vyjadriť k tomu, kto vydal zákaz nosenia plagátov. On sám by videl bezpečnostné riziko iba v prípade, ak by išlo o transparenty na tyčiach, lebo tými by sa dalo ohroziť zdravie ľudí. "Pokiaľ je to nejaký plagát, bezpečnostné riziko to nie je," povedal.

    Právnička združenia Občan a demokracia Zuzana Dlugošová si myslí, že samotné upozornenie, že ľudia nesmú mať plagáty, je neprimeraným "zásahom do slobody prejavu". Iný prípad by bol, keby boli na tyčiach, ale ak ide o obyčajné prejavenie názoru, je podľa nej "prirodzené, dokonca nevyhnutné v normálnej demokratickej spoločnosti, aby takéto prejavy mohli byť aj za prítomnosti prezidenta Busha".
    Časť Bushových odporcov tvrdí, že práve zákaz plagátov odradil od účasti prípadných demonštrantov, lebo sa báli, že s plagátmi ich na zhromaždenie nevpustia.

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