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    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    XCHAOS: proc by to kdo cetl? ERG uz je brexitem tak znudena, ze za to co ukrizovali Mayovou loni tedka bjovi daj plnou podporu. SNP to dle ocekavani vyuzije cele jako zaminku na to odtrhnout Skotska, a UK vlada se nicim z toho co tam je stejne nebude ridit a bude doufat, ze EU nebude nic z toho vymahat. jediny co z tech 1500+ stranek ma nejaky smysl je to, kde se bavi o arbitrazi.
    XCHAOS
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    Netscape Makes Posthumous Appearance In Brexit Trade Deal
    https://gizmodo.com/netscape-makes-baffling-appearance-in-brexit-trade-deal-1845963522
    ...takže to nikdo nečetl celý :-)
    DOBYTEK
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    Připravuji pro studenty hodinu o ochraně dat v EU a vypadl na mě článek o grantech z Horizon 2020 a financování vojenských sledovacích technologií v EU, který se mi zdá se v místních politických auditkách neobjevil.

    [...] A member of the European parliament’s civil liberties committee and one of four MEPs for the Pirate party, Breyer realised that iBorderCtrl’s ethical and privacy implications were immense. He feared that if such technology – or as he now calls it, “pseudo-scientific security hocus pocus” – was available to those in charge of policing borders, then people of colour, women, elderly people, children and people with disabilities could be more likely than others to be falsely reported as liars. Using EU transparency laws, he requested more information from the European commission on the ethics and legality of the project. Its response was jarring: access denied, in the name of protecting trade secrets. [...]

    [...] Figures compiled by the Guardian from publicly available records suggest that Horizon 2020 has been particularly beneficial for the private sector: since 2007, private companies have received 42% of the €2.7bn distributed by the security research programme – almost €1.15bn. They have also been the lead partner in almost half of the 714 funded projects. Other participants, such as research institutes and public bodies, trail far behind.[...]

    [...] The iBorderCtrl project’s website stated that some of its technologies were “not covered by the existing [EU] legal framework”.[...]


    Sci-fi surveillance: Europe's secretive push into biometric technology
    Sci-fi surveillance: Europe's secretive push into biometric technology | World news | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/.../sci-fi-surveillance-europes-secretive-push-into-biometric-technology
    MAKROUSEK
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    SUMAC: 25%

    BBC News - Brexit deal: What is in it?
    caret-down
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55252388
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    In economic terms, it prevents the equivalent of a low-level tariff trade war with our biggest trading partner breaking out, in the middle of an historic recession and health crisis.

    The UK has stayed in a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Russia, as Vote Leave promised ahead of the referendum.

    But his manifest error in declaring there are "no non-tariff barriers" for trade with the EU had business leaders falling off their chairs.

    This is patently not the case. The government has entire websites informing the public and businesses of tens of millions of new customs declarations, export health checks, regulatory checks, rules of origin checks, conformity assessments.


    1) farage je happy s timhle dealem
    2) tories uz nebudou moct knucet a vymlouvat se na EU, na nic a na nikoho, jsou venku a ted jsou strujci vlastniho stesti
    3) zadna migrace a nic co by nebylo primo koktrolovane z Londyna - zadne dalsi vymluvy
    4) celni delkarace, povinne cestovni pojisteni a konec levne pracovni sily z EU
    5) celni dekrarace uvnitr UK mezi NI a zbytkem
    6) nasrani skoti
    vsechno tohle UK dal Jonson a je to prodavano velka vyhra UK

    co z toho bude mit bezny obcan UK, na co muze byt pysny? pocit suverenity vyvazeny papirovanim, frontama na letistich a 5% narustem cen.
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    tak ani s tema rybama to nebude tak slavne:

    The fishing industry said it was “bitterly disappointed” that Boris Johnson had not secured control of the 12 miles of fishing waters off the coast of Britain. He said the five-and-a-half-year promise of a blank slate for fresh negotiation was “justice deferred, justice denied” and the fishing industry felt that “for the first time in 40 years” the Tories had created “an opportunity to redefine our fisheries relationship with the EU”. “I think the industry will be bitterly disappointed”, he said. “I think there will be fury about the failure to secure an exclusive 12-mile zone.” The area is particularly important in southern waters, where large French trawlers come within six miles of Cornwall and the Channel to fish haddock and cod, and for those around the Thames estuary who have to compete with Belgian trawlers.
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    BANSHEE: tak z proceduralniho hlediska je to samozrejme debakl, ale tim ze to je UK a byvaly clen (kteremu se porad z nejakeho duvodu plne duveruje) tak EU hodilo za hlavu vsechny ocekavani a bezne praktiky s jinyma tretima zemema, a vyslo se UK vstric pac jedina druha moznost byla no deal.

    opet plati (tak jako s Orbanem), ze pokud by EU opravdu chtela chovat se principialne tak by to musela zaplatit a prijmout negativni ekonomicky impakt, coz se opet nestalo a ekonomika vyhrala nad pravem. ono EU zatim porad neni nic jineho nez primarne obchodni spolek.
    BANSHEE
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    Popravdě řečeno, ačkoli jsem si vědom politické reality (zejména v UK), tuhle dohodu považuju za prohru. Existují mechanismy, kterými se řídí sjednávání takových dohod. Existují časové rámce, které umožňují řádnou přípravu a přezkum. A nyní? Dohoda se bude muset tvářit jako ve výlučné kompetenci EU, aby vše nevázlo na ratifikacích členskými státy. Evropský parlament bude dohodu ratifikovat až následně, přičemž mu Komise někdy na jaře slibovala, že s žádným prozatímním prováděním dohody mezi podpisem a ratifikací se nepočítá. Dohoda existuje pouze v angličtině a je bez šance, že by vůbec prošla pořádnou právní revizí. Ostatní jazykové verze budou muset být autentifikovány taktéž později. To je všechno šlendrián, který se do budoucna nevyplácí. A jestli bylo něco tak zásadního vyjednáno nyní, co nemohlo být vyjednáno už před půl rokem? Těžko. Systém se podvolil hochštaplerství.
    MAKROUSEK
    MAKROUSEK --- ---
    SUMAC: Pravda. Ale je to takova indikace, kdo mel vic sily.
    MAKROUSEK
    MAKROUSEK --- ---
    SUMAC: Pravda. Ale je to takova indikace, kdo mel vic sily.
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    MAKROUSEK: spis pujde o tech zbylych 1950 stranek dohody na kterych se resi kontrolni mechanizmy a jak je EU bude vymahat a k cemu se UK zavaze podpisem. tohle rybareni byla mozna jen takova vizualni navnada.
    MAKROUSEK
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    SUMAC: Prave. Ale podle tohohle uvidime, jak moc se UK vzdala EU.
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    MAKROUSEK: tohle je cca 0.0000 nic% celkove hodnoty dealu. at je to 80% nebo 10% finalni hodnota je miziva. vypada to, ze Barnier nechal bj tetelit se nad tim jak moc EU ustoupilo v rybareni a bj se muze holedbat jak to skvele vyjednal, ale v 99,9999% zbytku obchodu vcetne sluzeb a financiho sektoru neziskal bj nic
    MAKROUSEK
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    SUMAC: Me zajima, na kolika se zastavily ryby. Pocatecni pozice byla UK 80%, EU 18%
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    MAKROUSEK: nikoho. ale vtipne bude az erg a hard anti EU tories budou blahorecit BJ za neco, za co pred rokem znicili Mayovou a o cem prohlasovali, ze to je vlastizrada. kognitivni dizonance na druhou.
    MAKROUSEK
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    SUMAC: A koho to prekvapuje?
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    A hard Brexit would not have been good for both sides, she says, but it would have hit the UK harder than the EU with all its might and 450 million citizens.

    In the fishery field, we made a huge step forward and got a very good agreement, so this shows that from a position of strength, you can achieve a lot, she adds.

    EU k tomu slo z pozice sily a dosahlo toho, ze UK musi poslouchat EU pokud chce obchodovat, ale je z EU venku, nebude nic sabotovat a nemuze o nicem v EU rozhodovat, a pokud nebude poslouchat cekaj je arbitraz, kvoty a tarify.
    XCHAOS
    XCHAOS --- ---
    „Dohoda je hotová.“ Británie se s EU shodla na uspořádání vztahů - Deník N
    https://denikn.cz/minuta/525072/
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    @elpaisinenglish
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    British nationals traveling to Gibraltar from the UK will have to go through passport control, while Spaniards will be able to enter freely, if a new deal is cinched. The agreement would also give Gibraltarians open access to Spain and the Schengen Area

    dalsi brexit vicotry!
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