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    FESAKFLOYDDementogenní psychofarmaka a metabolické jedy
    Psychiatric Drugs Kill the Lives of Those Who Take Them http://www.encognitive.com/node/1185 Drug-Induced Dementia: a perfect crime http://www.amazon.com/Drug-Induced-Dementia-MD-Grace-Jackson/dp/1438972318 Brain Damage Caused by Neuroleptic Psychiatric Drugs http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage Evidence of Neuroleptic Drug-Induced Brain Damage http://www.ahrp.org/risks/biblio0100.php Arch Gen Psychiatry -- Abstract: Long-term Antipsychotic Treatment and Brain Volumes: A Longitudinal Study of First-Episode Schizophrenia, February 2011, Ho et al. 68 (2): 128 http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/2/128 Metanalysis: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976341200125X Antipsychotic deflates the brain Drug for schizophrenia causes side effects by shrinking part of the brain. http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html Indeed, it looks as if after some 50 years widespread prescribing there is going to be a massive re-evaluation and re-interpretation of these drugs, with a reversal of their evaluation as a great therapeutic breakthrough. It now seems distinctly possible that for half a century the creation of millions of asocial, neuroleptic-dependent but docile Parkinsonian patients has been misinterpreted as a ‘cure’ for schizophrenia. This wholesale re-interpretation represents an unprecedented disaster for the self-image and public reputation – not just of psychiatry – but of the whole medical profession. Perhaps the main useful lesson from the emergence of the 'atypical' neuroleptics is that psychiatrists did not need to make all of their agitated and psychotic patients Parkinsonian in order to suppress their behavior. ‘Atypicals’ are weakly neuroleptic but highly sedative. This implies that sedation is probably sufficient for behavioral control in most instances [3, 17]. In the immediate term, it therefore seems plausible that already-existing, cheap, sedative drugs (such as benzodiazepines or antihistamines) offer realistic hope of being safer, equally effective and subjectively less-unpleasant substitutes for neuroleptics in many (if not all) patients. I would argue that this should happen sooner rather than later. If we apply the test of choosing what treatment we would prefer for ourselves or our relatives with acute agitation or psychosis, knowing what we now know about neuroleptics, I think that many people (perhaps especially psychiatric professionals) would now wish to avoid neuroleptics except as a last resort. Few would be happy to wait a decade or so for the accumulations of a mass of randomized trial data (which may never emerge, since such trials would lack a commercial incentive) before making the choice of less dangerous and unpleasant drugs [17]. But there is no hiding the fact that if neuroleptics were indeed to be replaced by sedatives then this would seem like stepping-back half a century. It would entail an acknowledgement that psychiatry has been living in a chronic delusional state – and this may suggest that the same could apply to other branches of medicine. Since such a wholesale cognitive and organizational reappraisal is unlikely, perhaps the most realistic way that the desired change in practice will be accomplished is not by an explicit ‘return’ to old drugs but by the introduction of a novel (and patentable) class of sedatives which are marketed as having some kind of (more-or-less plausible) new therapeutic role. Why are doctors still prescribing neuroleptics? by Bruce G Charlton http://www.hedweb.com/bgcharlton/neuroleptics.html
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    KLUZAU
    KLUZAU --- ---
    PETGRIDUS: no hele, nevim, jak je to s mikešem, před nedávnem jsem se ho na to zeptal, tak počkejme na odpověď. Co se týče sraček - o tom mluvím, to nezní jako odborný argument.
    PETGRIDUS
    PETGRIDUS --- ---
    budu se opakovat, ale jde mi o to, že mikeš tady opakovaně a neustále hlásá dezinformace a sračky
    PETGRIDUS
    PETGRIDUS --- ---
    KLUZAU: vytáhněte zázračný finy
    PETGRIDUS
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    KLUZAU: jsem rád, že si nedokážu představit cestu kocoura mikeše.
    KLUZAU
    KLUZAU --- ---
    PETGRIDUS: nemam pocit, ze bys byl odbornik, spis mluvis jako uzivatel, ktery si nedokaze predstavit jinou cestu. A nebo oboji - docela casta varianta.
    PETGRIDUS
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    KLUZAU: Myslíš po jakých sem dementní?
    KLUZAU
    KLUZAU --- ---
    PETGRIDUS: a ty beres jake prasky?
    PETGRIDUS
    PETGRIDUS --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: Řekl demagog číslo jedna.
    PETGRIDUS
    PETGRIDUS --- ---
    KLUZAU: Předpokládám že nebere prášky a sem tam to řízne nějakou drogou aby se neřeklo.
    PETGRIDUS
    PETGRIDUS --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: Někomu i pomůžou narozdíl od autorů těch tvých pochybných článků. Až ti zas někdy rupne v kouli, tak ti budou dobrý.
    KLUZAU
    KLUZAU --- ---
    krome toho, co jsem psal, existuje asi rada dalsich duvodu. Narazil jsem na dobry clanek:
    10 Reasons Survivors Might Know More Medicine Than Psychiatrists - Mad In America
    http://www.madinamerica.com/...2/04/8-reasons-survivors-might-know-more-medicine-than-psychiatrists/
    KLUZAU
    KLUZAU --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: nerekl bych. Na mad in America vysel pekny clanek o tom, jak doktori delaji co muzou. Ja mam stejnou zkusenost a i osobni viru - v podstate kazdy dela, co muze. Dokonce mozna, podle toho clanku, je vetsina doktoru pod vlivem korupce prave proto, ze daji "dobro", snazi se zmirnit utrpeni pacienta, ale nemaji to pod kontrolou - pomuzou momentalne, kratkodobe, a nedohlednou vsechny dusledky. Dokonce, podle toho clanku, i kdyz doktor vi, co dela (dlouhodobe invalidizujici dopady, vedlejsi effekty, neoverene teorie), stejne nakonec zase spadne do stare praxe. Vidi trpici lidi.
    Zajimalo by me, co konkretne ty muzes delat. Kdyz doktori nepomahaji (globalne vzato -ne v CR, se na tom shodnou uz asi vsichni), co by si chtel delat se sebou ty, a co jsi zkousel s tim delat nebo co delas?
    KOCOURMIKES
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    psychiatri jsou Satanovi sluzebnici
    KLUZAU
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    MORPHLER: Knihu uz mam, tesim se na ni. Ale jestli je v ni to co pisou noviny, its pity - 30 years late...
    KOCOURMIKES
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    KLUZAU: staci guglit. Cornelii tu mam jako prototyp lekarske demagogie.
    KLUZAU
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    KOCOURMIKES: Hlavne lidi, co chteji vsechno terapeutizovat, maji tendenci hned odhadovat neci hlavu. Chapu to, je to jejich praxe, ale nerozumim tomu, proc nejsou ochotni si precist alespon mainstreamova media - ze ty firmy dostavaji nejvyssi mozne pokuty co kazdy rok, a soud jasne urci za co, vychazi ve vsech novinach a je o tom jasna verejna debata.

    U dementogenni - samozrejme se o tom muzeme dohadovat, a kazdy terapeut vyrukuje se svoji klinickou praxi, nicmene alespon znat tech par stezejnich vyzkumu by taky vec osvetlilo. Alespon bychom vedeli, kdo s cim a proc nesouhlasi.

    Jinak mi to pripomina spis hospodu nebo mlzeni.
    KOCOURMIKES
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    KLUZAU: na tu korupci ve farmafirmach, farmafirmy platily v usa miliardy dolaru pokut - ti budou tvrdit ze jsi paranoidni i nasi "experti" v nasem auditku v cele s Cornelii,a to nejsou si schopni precist clanek, ani n, ze clanku ktery dokazujou ze neuroleptika jsou dementogenni. chacha.
    KLUZAU
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    MORPHLER: me na tom prijde pikantni fakt, ze kdo dnes tvrdi, ze ho sleduje CIA a chysta se proti nemu komplot, tak ma defakto pravdu: viz sledovani NSA, jednani o TTIP apod. Ale myslim ze lze dobre rozlisit, kdy je to patologie spojena s tim, ze ten clovek si mysli, ze je v tom sam a musi proti tomu hned zacit sam bojovat, atd. - ten clanek to vyborne popisuje.
    Na druhou stranu jsem mel kolegyni psycholozku, ktera mi na moje opatrne poznamky o korupci ve farmakoprumyslu (kterou jsem dolozil clanky z New York Times a vedeckych databazi), argumentovala tim, ze jsem paranoidne nastaveny.
    Dnesni doba prinasi necekane paradoxy.
    KOCOURMIKES
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    IOM_NUKSO: Je suis Cornelius Grouppe
    IOM_NUKSO
    IOM_NUKSO --- ---
    podivejme, o tomto se tady presne mluvi. hilarious!
    MinusIQ with czech subtitles
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3Z5gDDtO0
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