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    FESAKFLOYDDementogenní psychofarmaka a metabolické jedy
    Psychiatric Drugs Kill the Lives of Those Who Take Them http://www.encognitive.com/node/1185 Drug-Induced Dementia: a perfect crime http://www.amazon.com/Drug-Induced-Dementia-MD-Grace-Jackson/dp/1438972318 Brain Damage Caused by Neuroleptic Psychiatric Drugs http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage Evidence of Neuroleptic Drug-Induced Brain Damage http://www.ahrp.org/risks/biblio0100.php Arch Gen Psychiatry -- Abstract: Long-term Antipsychotic Treatment and Brain Volumes: A Longitudinal Study of First-Episode Schizophrenia, February 2011, Ho et al. 68 (2): 128 http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/2/128 Metanalysis: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976341200125X Antipsychotic deflates the brain Drug for schizophrenia causes side effects by shrinking part of the brain. http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html Indeed, it looks as if after some 50 years widespread prescribing there is going to be a massive re-evaluation and re-interpretation of these drugs, with a reversal of their evaluation as a great therapeutic breakthrough. It now seems distinctly possible that for half a century the creation of millions of asocial, neuroleptic-dependent but docile Parkinsonian patients has been misinterpreted as a ‘cure’ for schizophrenia. This wholesale re-interpretation represents an unprecedented disaster for the self-image and public reputation – not just of psychiatry – but of the whole medical profession. Perhaps the main useful lesson from the emergence of the 'atypical' neuroleptics is that psychiatrists did not need to make all of their agitated and psychotic patients Parkinsonian in order to suppress their behavior. ‘Atypicals’ are weakly neuroleptic but highly sedative. This implies that sedation is probably sufficient for behavioral control in most instances [3, 17]. In the immediate term, it therefore seems plausible that already-existing, cheap, sedative drugs (such as benzodiazepines or antihistamines) offer realistic hope of being safer, equally effective and subjectively less-unpleasant substitutes for neuroleptics in many (if not all) patients. I would argue that this should happen sooner rather than later. If we apply the test of choosing what treatment we would prefer for ourselves or our relatives with acute agitation or psychosis, knowing what we now know about neuroleptics, I think that many people (perhaps especially psychiatric professionals) would now wish to avoid neuroleptics except as a last resort. Few would be happy to wait a decade or so for the accumulations of a mass of randomized trial data (which may never emerge, since such trials would lack a commercial incentive) before making the choice of less dangerous and unpleasant drugs [17]. But there is no hiding the fact that if neuroleptics were indeed to be replaced by sedatives then this would seem like stepping-back half a century. It would entail an acknowledgement that psychiatry has been living in a chronic delusional state – and this may suggest that the same could apply to other branches of medicine. Since such a wholesale cognitive and organizational reappraisal is unlikely, perhaps the most realistic way that the desired change in practice will be accomplished is not by an explicit ‘return’ to old drugs but by the introduction of a novel (and patentable) class of sedatives which are marketed as having some kind of (more-or-less plausible) new therapeutic role. Why are doctors still prescribing neuroleptics? by Bruce G Charlton http://www.hedweb.com/bgcharlton/neuroleptics.html
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    KOCOURMIKES: ty jo, tobě museli psychiatrové udělat něco fakt strašnýho, když se k tomu stavíš takhle.
    MORPHLER
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    KOCOURMIKES: to je neco jako "zbrane zabijeji". psychiatrie jako obor nema nozicky rucicky a nikoho nezabiji. muzeme se bavit o zodpovednosti psychiatru a v konecnem dusledku o zodpovednosti jednotlivcu za svuj zivot, kdyz jim nekdo (psychiatr, kardiolog...) rekne: "tohle odted budete brat"...
    KOCOURMIKES
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    psychiatry kills
    KLUZAU
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    Píše tam o lécích - to je moje zkušenost z praxe, nechali jsme dávat lidem s autismem a silno agresí léky, ale v podstatě to mělo jen tlumivý effekt, což bylo vítané. Přesto někteří kolegové považovali naši psychiatričku za kouzelnici, která "umí pracovat s agresí a autismem".

    Dá se zklidnění docílit i jinak - proto jsem radikálnější, ale tento efekt je očividný a v podstatě pochopitelný (i když často zneužívaný. Kdo spí, nezlobí).
    KLUZAU
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    úvod autora:
    Why I Created an Alternative to Psychiatric Hospitalization - Mad In America
    http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/02/created-alternative-psychiatric-hospitalization/

    KLUZAU
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    Services | Wholeness Center
    http://boulderchinesemedicine.com/wholeness/services/

    -určitý kompromis
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    KOCOURMIKES: hola hej, British
    KOCOURMIKES
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    KLUZAU: nevim co berou za prasky
    KLUZAU
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    KOCOURMIKES: tos uhodl? A podle ceho?
    KOCOURMIKES
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    KLUZAU: nevim co berou za prasky
    KLUZAU
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    PETGRIDUS: vi to odjinud nez odtud?
    PETGRIDUS
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    KOCOURMIKES: Ne tím myslela jak tady roztrubuješ co cizí lidé berou za prášky.
    KOCOURMIKES
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    KLUZAU: ze neuroleptika poskozuji mozek
    KLUZAU
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    SHEALA: co myslis tim citliva data?
    SHEALA
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    PETGRIDUS: Připadně zveřejňování citlivých dat...
    PETGRIDUS
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    KOCOURMIKES: Web plny lzi abys oblboval lidi tak to gratuluji k prospesny cinnosti.
    KOCOURMIKES
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    KLUZAU: co takhle udelat spolecny web ?
    KLUZAU
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    CORNELA: tahle diskuse imho fakt nema smysl, neporovnavas porovnatelny bez ohledu na cokoliv, takze klidne necin dal, ale dokazat irelevnatnost dat se ti nepodari.
    KLUZAU
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    -ano, kriteria jsou pro 50ta leta jina: pacienty, kteri vyhledali pomoc/byli poslani do instituci psychiatricke pece---procento tech, kteri se uz nevraci, postupne klesa o desitky procent. Jde o srovnani v ramci konkretni instituce, i tak je to udaj dost zajimavy. Od 80. se pohybujeme v podobnych kriteriich ruznych diagnoz, ktere se rozsiruji rapidne az s novym DSM-V pred par lety.
    -vysvetli. Zmena diagnozy je kontrolovana promena, od 80 let.
    -muzu srovnavat ruzne zeme. Proto existuje transkulturni psychologie, transkulturni psychiatrie, a WHO muze delat vyzkumy. Upozornuju, ze pokud chces vytahnout stereotyp o ukovanych pacientech, budu chtit konkretnejsi vysvetleni.
    KLUZAU
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    CORNELA:
    -kriteria nejsou zalozena na vedeckosti (viz napriklad reforma New York university pred mesicem - rezignace na DSM). Da se ale posuzovat pocet hospitalizovanych na psychiatrii a co tam dostali.
    -to jsme se nepochopili. Myslel jsem to tak, ze mas na mysli, ze socialni situace ovlivnuje dusevni zdravi. Valku obvykle predchazi take socialni recese. Nekteri tvrdi, ze narust depresi atd. souvisi s globalni ekonomikou. Ja tomuhle moc neverim. Jak to myslis ty?
    -diagnostika se posunula v tom smyslu, ze se patologizuje vsechno mozne - od smutku z rozvodu az po lehke formy autismu. Nicmene, proto jsem uvedl, ze mame cisla ohledne hospitalizace jako takove v ramci instituci, a ze od 80 let se narust nezastavuje, i kdyz kontrolujeme vsechny promenne, protoze mame relevantni data.
    -Vime vsichni presne, co Harvard a WHO zjistili? Mam na mysli ne longitudialni vyzkumy, ale rozdil zeme kde je medikace/neni pri kontrole ostatnich promenych.
    SHEALA
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    KOCOURMIKES: tuhle: https://www.kosmas.cz/knihy/199257/mycelium-iv-videni/ případně další díl. Jo, je to o houbách, se zajímavýma efektama :D
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