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    TOXICMANElon Musk respektive jeho firmy SpaceX (Falcon / Heavy / Dragon / Starship), Tesla, Starlink, Neuralink, Boring, xAI
    SITH
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    ještě tohle. Mě to dost osobně zajímá, ale zda je to offtopic, nechám na správci

    SITH
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    Trošku googlím. Musím říct, že ačkoliv Elona skrz jeho osobnost nemusím, jako vizionář je fantastický, protože nutí sebe a svůj management dělat věci opravdu jinak. V aerospace je koukám vztah dodavatel/zákazník stejný jako v automotive :)

    Below is an excerpt from an interview with Max Vozoff, formerly of SpaceX (datum článku 2011)

    There's a YouTube video of Elon speaking somewhere in 2003 saying ... "we're really just a systems integrator, we're buying things from other people", but by the time I showed up in 2005 that had completely turned around and pretty much everything was getting done in-house.

    And you can see why when you see the interactions with these suppliers, particularly the ones in the space industry. They think they're the only ones who can make this widget or who have the secret sauce, and when you say "no, you're too expensive", they say "well, that's what it is". And they're used to customers who, if they slip the schedule and double the price, the customer shrugs and goes back to headquarters and says, "well, it's gonna take twice as long and it's gonna cost twice as much", and that's how things go in a traditional government run program.

    But SpaceX would say "no, that's not acceptable", and they'd cancel the contract. And sometimes these suppliers were literally scoffing on the phone as you hung up, and call you back a few months later saying "so, have you changed your mind yet?" And being able to say to them that "no, if you can do it, then maybe somebody else can do it too", like either SpaceX figured out how to do it themselves, because they hired some smart people and gave them the resources and tools, or you find another supplier with maybe a non-space version and you upgrade and qualify it for space.

    And now what you've done, this backward supplier has bred a competitor for themselves, where they're not used to competition. I mean, many of the suppliers in this industry would just go out of business in a heartbeat if competition were actually introduced.

    So really that's the game changing stuff that SpaceX has been doing: bringing stuff in-house, not just because it gives them control of cost and schedule, but because the space suppliers, traditional suppliers just don't get it. They're not used to being held to schedules and budgets.

    And that's not true of everybody, but there is list of anecdotes I could tell you about suppliers with this attitude. And in each case either SpaceX brings it in-house and makes it successfully, or they find another supplier and upgrade it, and that supplier is usually thrilled to have a whole new market opened up for them.
    ONDRA_99
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    SITH: Ono toho detailne asi moc ven nepujde (furt to spada pod nejaky armadni regule). Ale imho si budou objednavat jen dilci soucastky. Ty hlavni kusy delaji sami i z inhouse vyvynute slitiny. Tady je treba nejaky clanek kde shrnuli par tweetu co o tom padlo:

    SpaceX Casting Raptor Engine Parts from Supersteel Alloys | NextBigFuture.com
    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/...9/02/spacex-casting-raptor-engine-parts-from-supersteel-alloys.html
    CRAZY_IVAN
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    SITH: merliny si vyrábí, tak tipuju, že raptory taky
    SITH
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    ONDRA_99: TOXICMAN: PER2: jasně, proto se neptám na věci, co jsou ofiko na spacex.com nebo na wiki, ale zda se někdo v nějakém rozhovoru nebo podcastu neprokecl, neřekl něco detailnější atd. Kdo jsou subdodavatelé, odkud atd. Zajímá mě to z pracovního hlediska .)
    ONDRA_99
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    MAWRHIS: Tak jasne ze si to nevyrabeji uplne do posledniho sroubku.
    MAWRHIS
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    ONDRA_99: pamatuju, že nějakej rok zpátky jim to bouchlo při letu protože selhal někde nějakej strut, kterej byl právě špatnej už od dodavatele, takže nějaký menší a jendodušší věci asi outsorcujou.
    TOXICMAN
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    SITH: myslim, že se snaží všechno dělat in-house, ale jaké přesně součástky si případně koupí ti asi nikdo neřekne
    ONDRA_99
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    ONDRA_99: A zrovna motory jsou tak dulezita soucast toho vseho, ze to tuplem resi interne.
    ONDRA_99
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    SITH: SpaceX si naprostou vetsinu veci dela sama.
    JONAS3
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    LSDMASACRE
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    JONAS3: jj, přístání v pohodě
    JONAS3
    JONAS3 --- ---
    Přistání úspěšné? Řvou mi tu děti (na HO) a nic neslyším :D
    SITH
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    PER2: přímo spacex, od začátku až do konce? není to outsourcing?
    JONAS3
    JONAS3 --- ---
    Ty chybějící záběry z prvního stupně mi chybí. Ale podle všeho entry burn byl OK.
    PER2
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    SITH: uhm, spacex? :)
    JONAS3
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    A letí, skoro by se chtělo říct zázrak, zaplať Pán Bůh :)
    SITH
    SITH --- ---
    ví se, kdo jim vyrábí ty raptory?
    PER2
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    PER2
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    PUKPUK: na to sem vcera koukal, jak se tam ty nozky houpou a nebyl jsem si jistej, jestli to je jen nejakej optickej klam nebo realita
    https://twitter.com/tobyliiiiiiiiii/status/1367328413032189954?s=20
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