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    TOXICMANElon Musk
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    FLUO: waymo ma este len pilot v mnichove a londyne, toto uz realne jazdi

    Einride and Lidl win Germany's first L4 public road permit | Automotive World
    https://www.automotiveworld.com/news/einride-and-lidl-win-germanys-first-l4-public-road-permit/
    W_NOICE78
    W_NOICE78 --- ---
    KOUDY: Nechceš ten nákup ještě přehodnotit? Je klidně možný, že ta cyklo-pěší neziskovka ještě hodí vidle do celoevropskýho FSD.
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    Nejde jen o fsd ale obecne o autonomni auta ktery jsou bezpecnejsi nez rizeny lidma a to nekolikanasobne. Waymo ma s tema cinskoindickejma autama vic dat uZ
    E2E4
    E2E4 --- ---
    DOKIS: survivor bias, jsou statistiky kdy nehodě na poslední chvíli zabranil člověk? protože v 30 km/h to člověk stihne zareagovat, na dálnici ne, plus dálnice je o dost jednodušší..

    viz moje kolegyně, fsd nepoužívá, protože vždycky duplo na brzdy před stínem mostu na dálnici. ale Elon řekl, že stačí jen kamery, žejo.
    DOKIS
    DOKIS --- ---
    W_NOICE78: Na tom "10x bezpecnejsi" je vtipne, ze statisticky ta data moc vyznamna nejsou, protoze mimo dalnice FSD nabouralo jen jednou. Kdyby bourali vic, tak je to spolehlivejsi ;-). Ale ve skutecnosti to jen znamena, ze pokud to 10x nema byt jen nic moc nerikajici cislo, tak si jeste musime delsi dobu pockat...
    SATAI
    SATAI --- ---
    W_NOICE78: ono existuje něco jako "moc poctivě"?!
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    CADDY: standard mode by mel mit moznost prekracovat, tusim az nekde ke 20% povoleny rychlosti, coz teda porad neni 50km/h na 30...
    CADDY
    CADDY --- ---
    PER2: aha..ja to zase tak do detailu nezkoumal, jen vim, ze o tom mluvili v tech ruznych testovacich videich :) Jestli to bude strikne dodrzovat bez moznosti zasahu, tak to bude pekne srat vsechny kolem :)
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    CADDY: Tesla Model 3 with software 2026.21.100 and FSD version v14.2.2.6 was
    configured in “standard mode”, with “speed offset” set at 0% and “contextual max
    speed” off.
    CADDY
    CADDY --- ---
    PER2: protoze se to da nastavit, diky bohu
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    W_NOICE78: tak by mela byt otazka, proc rychlost nedodrzuje, kdyz to umi
    W_NOICE78
    W_NOICE78 --- ---
    PER2: Tohle je zase cherry-picking. Ta studie našla konkrétní problém v některých úsecích s limitem 30 km/h. Pár dní předtím ale vlámská ministryně dopravy zveřejnila provozní data z 24,6 mil. km s FSD, kde mimo dálnice vycházelo skoro 10× míň nehod než při manuální jízdě. Z vlastní zkušenosti navíc vím, že rychlost dodržovat umí, u nás kde je 30 km/h naopak až moc poctivě.

    “Bijna tien keer minder ongevallen met ‘zelfrijdende’ Tesla op Belgische wegen” | Mobiliteit | HLN.be
    https://www.hln.be/mobiliteit/bijna-tien-keer-minder-ongevallen-met-zelfrijdende-tesla-op-belgische-wegen~a8343842/

    https://evwire.com/p/tesla-fsd-supervised-belgium-crash-risk-data-almost-10x-safer
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    autonomni rizeni je pry vyreseny problem, akorat to teda neumi ani tu nejzakadnejsi vec, jako treba dodrzovat predepsanou rychlost...

    Full Self Driving in situaties belangrijk voor voetgangers en fietsers - johanna.be, vzw
    https://www.johanna.be/nl/projecten/fsd30-nl

    Independent study identifies serious safety concerns at Tesla FSD in low-speed zones

    On September 24, 2026, we published an independent study on the performance of Tesla's Full Self-Driving (Supervised) system ("FSD") in traffic environments that are particularly important for the safety and comfort of pedestrians and cyclists: 30 km/h zones, residential yards and bicycle streets.

    Key findings

    The study shows that Tesla FSD regularly fails to comply with speed limits. In the Brussels-Capital Region, FSD exceeded the legal speed limit in 55% of the 30 km/h segments tested. In those cases, the journey speed achieved averaged 44 km/h, with even higher averages in free movement situations. According to the World Health Organization, the risk of a pedestrian dying in a collision with a vehicle at 44 km/h is almost six times higher than at 30 km/h.

    The investigation also found that in the vast majority of the 30 km/h zones tested, the system showed erroneous information about the speed limit to the supervisory driver. In many cases, the vehicle correctly recognized the speed limit of 30 km/h, but then reported to the driver that the applicable limit was 50 km/h. According to the report, this behavior can mislead drivers and at the same time contribute to the speeding of the system itself. Additional tests revealed weak performance in residential areas, where FSD exceeded the 20 km/h speed limit in Belgium in 42% of the locations surveyed.

    The system also showed serious shortcomings in bicycle streets, where it did not correctly recognize the applicable traffic rules and repeatedly tried to overtake cyclists, despite the fact that the Belgian road code (in contrast to the Dutch) expressly prohibits such manoeuvres. At the same time, the study also documents positive aspects of the system. During the entire test program, FSD generally handled pedestrians and cyclists with caution and courteously, often giving it a correct priority and behaving respectfully. However, the report concludes that these positive traits cannot compensate for the repeated speeding offences and failure to comply with essential traffic rules.

    Report submitted to Belgian and Dutch authorities

    The report was delivered on 7 September 2026 to the National Road Traffic Agency (RDW), the Dutch authority that granted the provisional European type-approval for Tesla FSD (Supervised), and to the Flemish Ministry responsible for the authorisation of the system in Belgium. It was asked to reassess the approvals granted in the light of the findings of the study. This broader publication of the report now aims to ensure that all relevant stakeholders have sufficient time to study the findings before voting on the European approval of Tesla FSD, which is currently scheduled for October 6, 2026.
    FLUO
    FLUO --- ---
    KOUDY: "s fsd je tesla deset let pred konkurenci" - teda az na tu konkurenci, ktera se venuje autonomnimu rizeni, jako treba Waymo :)
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    W_NOICE78: ja nikdy nebudu 100% tesla nebo elon fanboy stejne jako to ze mam iphone neznamena ze jsem 100% apple ovce :)..tablet mam android a komp windows, ale s fsd je tesla deset let pred konkurenci a kdyz je konecne dostupna tady v tom nasem valinoru kde davame napevno vicka na flasky, tak je dobry si tu budoucnost vyskouset :)
    W_NOICE78
    W_NOICE78 --- ---
    KOUDY: Takže odteď už budeš 100% Tesla fanboy? Je to Perfka, Premium, nebo Standard?
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    TRANCEWARP: jezek :)

    TRANCEWARP
    TRANCEWARP --- ---
    KOUDY: si kupujes? a uz tam neni obrazek crazy beavera? jenom trapnej checkmark?
    tak byl po nakupu uplne ujetej obrazek nakyho sysla neboco to bylo co rikal YESSSSS!!!
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    TRANCEWARP
    TRANCEWARP --- ---
    KOUDY: praha dobry )) at jede na sumavu ;)
    ale treba to tak funguje, je to uplne jinej software a hardware nez je v ty moj
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