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    TOXICMANElon Musk
    XCHAOS
    XCHAOS --- ---
    E2E4: Sabine rozebírá přesně ty argumenty, proč je to těžké, s tím, že nejvážnějším argumentem je skutečně ta radiace:
    Big Tech Wants To Build Data Centers In Space: Does This Make Sense?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8x09q1MjcM


    Jako člověk, co se kolem Internetu motá v podstatě brzy už 30 let musím konstatovat, že to, že někam něco vystřelíš, se zdá minimálně řešením problému, jak to zabezpečit, aby ti to fyzicky neukradli, nevypli, abys neplatil nájem, energie.. všechno je to v podstatě zahrnuté v tom počátečním nákladu na výrobu a start a pak ti prostě nechoděj účty. A protože já v oboru doopravdy podnikal, nebo dá se říct ještě podnikám, tak to, že ti choděj účty, je opravdu závažnej problém jakýkoliv kapitalismu a jestli kapitalismus zničí sám sebe v singularitě, kdy dosáhne toho, že bude moc posílat účty dolů na zem, ale jemu žádný účty chodit nebudou, tak je to ... zajímavý. Jako svým způsobem, mohli bychom korporace takhle odlákat, aby odešly ze Země úplně pryč a nechali nás na pokoj. Představ si AI telemarketing, který si bude přímo navzájem telefonovat mezi těmi datacentry a snažit se navzájem si prodat nějaký scam a nás na Zemi by se to vůbec netýkalo!

    Co mi zaujalo je, že o tom mluvěj fakticky všechny velký firmy, nejen Elon. A zrovna bitrate ohlašujou skutečně velkorysou... Současně ale LEO na tohle není úplně vhodná dráha (i když můžou to dát na tu sun-synchronní dráhu, to je příhodně skloněná polární, no...) a ve větší vzdálenosti od Země je zase problém ta radiace. Největší blbost je ale AI jako takové.

    Pokud jde o normální, non-AI aplikace, tak ale samozřejmě, pokud máš síť Starlinku, tak je lákavé přes ni připojit i jiné zdroje trafficu, než pozemní. Já jako první aplikaci očekávám CDN ve Starlinku. Tam ta radiace velký problém není, a najít nějaký cacheovaný content přímo onboard, na palubě satelitu, může být prostě levnější, než si ten obsah vyžádat ze Země. Prostě to máš jako s každý velkým providerem, který hostuje Google cache a nějakou CDN Facebooku: v každým Starlinku budou taky, protože to dělá asi 50% provozu a protože nakonec všichni se ten samej den dívaj na stejný blbý virální videa a prostě cacheovat se to vyplatí úplně všude, kde něco agreguješ. Ale to už jsem tady psal.

    Jako ale to, že to není úplnej nesmysl neznamená, že to je nějak škálovatelný a má to smysl na něco jinýho, než speciální aplikace (už jsem zmiňoval SETI - dopravovat ta data na Zemi ke zpracování může být pracné a může se nakonec ukázat jednodušší je zpracovávat přímo v kosmu - příklad: různí nástupci JWST apod. prostě většina dat je nudných a zrovna na zpracování obřích objemů naměřených vědeckých hodnot mi machine learning nepřipadá takový etický problém, jako LLM...). Otázka ale, jak velká je reálná poptávka po hledání mimozemšťanů, že jo. Reálně bude nejspíš Elon chránit konstelaci Starlinků proti kolizím s jinými Starlinky pomocí nějakého velínu přímo v kosmu... protože když stejně je tvůj hlavní business komunikovat s těmi satelity, tak že jo... proč to řídit ze země, když to co řídíš, stejně létá v kosmu?
    XCHAOS
    XCHAOS --- ---
    SATAI: radiátory, no. Zadní, zastíněná strana solárních panelů je víceméně vhodná. Hele, když JWST může dosáhnout poměrně slušného vychlazení pouhými pěti vrstvami reflexních fólí - pravda, tam jde o absolutní teplotu, ne o teplotní tok - a ISS má normální chladicí radiátory, které uchladí řádově stovky kW - tak to není neřešitelný problém.

    V podstatě si "kupecké počty" datacentra v kosmu představ tak, že máš nějakou plochu solárních panelů - ta bude vždy největší, nějaká ta křídla či panely - a mimo nízkou oběžnou dráhu Země, kde nemáš každých 45 minut "noc", ti to zajistí bezplatný kontinuální výkon, dnes kolem 300W/m2. Ten nějaký chip, jehož velikost bude asi zlomek té plochy, plně přemění na teplo. Vyzáření 300W odpadního tepla zajistí i při poměrně nízkém gradientu (tak 60°, odhaduju) nějaký pasivní mechanický radiátor, která bude umístěn tak, aby byl plně zastíněný tím solárním panelem. Konstrukce radiátoru může ale současně sloužit jako žebro, které ten panel vyztuží. Žebro bude vyzařovat převážně kolmo na směr dopadajícího slunečního záření, takže se ti to celé redukuje na nějaký "poměr hliníku vůči křemíku", průřez je takové T, kde hořejšek T je FV panel, nožička je radiátor, nevystřihnu ti z hlavy, jestli nožička bude na 1 m šířky panely kratší nebo delší než 1m, ale v zásadě, jestli se to vyplatí, zjistiíš snadno.

    1m2 téhle konstrukce včetně chlazení bude mít nějakou hmotnost, řádově jednotky kg. Vyrobí/uchladí to za 10 let třeba 87600 * 0.3 kW =~ 26 MWh. Porovnáš tedy průměrnou celoroční cenu za MWh v příštích 10 letech s náklady na vynesení několika kg tohohle bazmeku. V Evropě bys za tolik energie v průběhu 10 let dal 3000€

    Dejme tomu, že jakmile ten 1m2 toho "metabazmeku" FV+radiátor (chipy zanedbávám) bude vážit do 3 kg a bude stát při životnosti 10 let do 1000€ (FV se opotřebuje, hliníkový radiátor nejspíš ne...), tak se to začne vyplácet ve chvíli, kdy náklady na start 1 kg na vysokou oběžnou dráhu (jednak tam nebudou hrozit kolize se Starlinky, jednak tam bude garantované nonstop osvětlení) klesnou pod 1000€.

    Tohle není nereálná, zvlášť když si představíš, že životnost by byla přes 10let (nějaká konstrukce, která by zajišťovala jen napájecí lišty +,- a kontaktní chlazení, a moduly by se na to průběžně nasouvaly, s variabilními rozestupy dle okolností, každý modul by měl vlastní optické vlákno, jako ruský dron na Ukrajině...)

    Větší problém než chlazení je radiace.

    Celá AI je v podstatě pitomost, především. Musíme se představit svět, který přijde po AI bublině (a ne, neptejte se na to AI chatbotů, prosím :-)
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    MAKROUSEK: Musk v zivote..nikdy v zivote nevypne vsechny tesly v evrope..stejne jako nikdy v zivote nevypne vsechny starlinky. Tohle se nikdy v historii nestane, stejne jako neprestanou fungovat vsechny Iphony v evrope apod. Musis se naucit oddelovat CEOs od korporaci, ktery jsou na burze, ridej je manazeri, maj investori apod. Musk tak maximalne neco nekdy placne na twitteru, ale jinak se nestane nic. I ty starlinky uz leta v pohode fungujou na ukrajine pote co se je ukrajinci naucili pouzivat v souladu terms and conditions.

    XCHAOS: Ano pomalinku nam utahujou kohoutky a my to se skripajicimi zuby kouseme..At uz to jsou ruzne zakazy cim doma muzes topit, pripadne ze musis mit v aute start stop a auto musi mit zapnute ruzne veci ktere uz u novych aut ani nejdou vypnout..etc.
    HWLLFFRDD
    HWLLFFRDD --- ---
    Elon Musk, "These lovely small towns in England, Scotland and Ireland, they've been living their lives quietly. They're like hobbits"

    "And so one day, 1,000 people show up in your village of 500 and start raping the kids"

    "This has now happened, God knows how many times in Britain"

    kdyby chtěl někdo vidět jak nácek lže na videu: https://bsky.app/profile/implausibleblog.bsky.social/post/3m4ocrfibq22p

    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    AVATAR: No je to pres 10 let starej pripad a sla s tim za svejma nadrizenejma. Ne za Muskem. Takze? Co to ma spolecnyho s Muskem? Podle tohohle usuzujes ze Elon svy firmy neridi? Aha. Tvoje degenerativni pamet me moc neba.

    Engineer Cristina Balan lost her job after she raised a safety concern in 2014 about a design flaw which could affect the cars' braking.
    Ms Balan claimed she was worried the carpets were curling underneath some pedals in Tesla models, creating a safety hazard.

    She said managers rebuffed her concerns, became hostile, and she lost her job.

    She then won a wrongful dismissal case - but this turned out to be the start of a long journey through the courts.
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    hehe, to muselo byt hodne mastny...


    Tesla Settles Another Fatal Crash Lawsuit Ahead of Jury Trial
    September 16, 2025

    Tesla Inc. reached a confidential deal to resolve a lawsuit by the family of a teenager who was killed in a 2019 California crash involving a Model 3 on Autopilot.

    The settlement disclosed in court filings marks the latest move by the electric-vehicle maker to avoid a jury trial over a fatal wreck. A trial was scheduled to start in about a month in Alameda County Superior Court.

    ...plaintiffs in this case were represented by the same lawyer who recently secured the big $200m punitive damages award in Florida...
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    MAWERICK: No co kulha? To ze Elon dates jsou znamy tu snad vi kazdej ne? A ridit se jima muze jen naprostej novacskej kreten, coz nam tu komous niz jasne ukazal. Stejne jako kdyz ti Apple rekne, ze chytra Siri bude na podzim a neni ani dva roky pote..tak co si z toho mas vzit? Proste se jede PR a cekas. Chytra Siri samozrejme bude. Jen pozdeji. Stejne jako cybertruck byl, jen pozdeji, stejne jako mensi latence u starlinku byla, jen pozdeji, stejne jako levna tesla 3 a Y byla, jen pozdeji..Stejne jako se na tem mesic vratime, jen pozdeji, stejne jako se podivame na Mars. Jen pozdeji.

    Vzdyt prece sam vis ze mas nejakej plan s tim jak budes 10x rocne testovat starship a ladit ty systemy a u druhyho startu ti to americka agentura stopne, protoze tvuj start vystrasil rodinku pelikanu v mexickym zalivu a treti start to posune o pul roku..Takze ti jako podnikatel muzes mit timeline jakou chces a byrokracie ti to samotna muze o deset let posunout. Podivej se na ten Artemis program u Nasa..Same shit. Podivej na regulatory a FSD, ktera uz by davno byla. Podivej se na regulatory v EU ohledne treba ruznych AI, kdy to co je v USA a jinde ve svete v evrope vubec dostupny kvuli byrokracii nemame. I proto sel Elon nachvilku do poliky, aby tohle zkusil zmenit. Po trech mesicich pochopil ne ze to zmenit nejde, ale ze to nikdo hlavne zmenit nechce, tak se na to vysral.

    Za me Elon zatim splnil tak 80% toho co rekl ze bude. Neco bylo driv, neco bylo pozdeji, ale neprijde mi ze by kecal o levnem elektrickem aute nebo wallboxu a sobestacnosti v elektrine, nebo v internetu pres starlink a ta starship mi taky neprijde jako ze by nevynasel 4x vic starlinku do vesmiru nez dnesni raketky. Jenze ja narozdil od zdejsiho kolotocarskyho komouse do Tesly investuju nekdy od roku 2016, takze me Elonovy data nechavaj naprosto chladnejma, stejne jako data Microsoftu, Apply a jinejch fire.. protoze i diky tomu ze v tech 80% splnil Elon to co rekl, ikdyz pozdeji, jsou ty akcie za deset let snad o 2000 procent nahore. Coz sam tak nejak uznas, ze by asi nebyly kdyby se jim nic nepovedlo zejo :)
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    XCHAOS: to jeste cekame na prodeje noveho modelu, pristi mesic uz to ale urcite na 10000% prijde (dnes jeste tesla predstavila novy swasticar model y performance, pracovne mu muzeme rikat treba model why?), The Model Y Performance will start shipping in September, and starts at €62k (~$73k) in Germany - asi pro celny AfD
    XCHAOS
    XCHAOS --- ---
    PER2: historicky, některé rakety čekaly na start i týdny a trocha deště je třeba na Floridě úplně běžná záležitost. Voda se prostě odpaří, cestou nahoru. Proti námraze při tankování je to úplné nic (leda by při tankovámí zmrzla voda, co nateče pod dlažičky.. jo, rapid reuse bez vyspárování dlaždiček, budiž, tam to bude zajímavé..)

    Jako obecně, rapid reuse horního stupně nebude taková legrace, jako rapid reuse boosteru. O tom tu mluvím. Velká neznámá bude to užitečné zatížení. Podle mě skutečným cílem je masivní vynášení Starlinků. On jakýkoliv reuse 2.stupně by skutečně byl úspěch, i když to nakonec vynese míň, než 100t. Uvidíme. Já myslím, že nakonec bude všechno jinak (jako obvykle), nemám povinnost věřit vždy té iteraci, která je zrovna oficiální...
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    lets go.... doufam, ze si ty svoje nekonecny lzi vyzere do dna...



    I’m sure Tesla will appeal and prolong this process as long as possible, but this is still a groundbreaking verdict.

    The important aspect to consider here is that the plaintiffs were able to get around Tesla blaming the driver, which is always its main defence against ADAS crashes, and attack directly Tesla’s well-known misleading approach to marketing Autopilot and FSD.

    I expect the lawsuits to start pouring in now that this verdict has been released.
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    XCHAOS: Uz jsem to tu vysvetloval asi 3x tyvole. Vzdyt jsme v klubu o Elonovi. Tohle tu maj vsichni prece davno vedet. Jestli je Starship nebo cokoliv jineho picovina je uplne irelevantni. Musk je fascinovanej Marsem od detstvi. I Tarpening s Eberhardem potkali Muska na sekani clenu Mars Society a to bylo nekdy pred petadvacetri lety. Musk je nejbohatsi clovek na svete kterej si proste jen plni detsky sny a my muzeme bejt jako pozorovatele jejich soucasti. Stejne jako si treba dedecek Al Maktoum vysnil ze Dubai bude futuristicky mesto a financni hub blizkeho vychodu a jeho synek to jeho prani jen rozvijel. Musk byl fascinovanej raketkama, vesmirem..tak si to ted doprava. Ma na to prachy, ma tu vizi, ma schopny zamestnance kterejm rika co maj delat a koriguje je kdyz je potreba..za me cajk. Ikdyby mela Starship vynaset max nejakej naklad kvuli stavbe orbitalnich zakladen nebo doletla max na mesic tak je skvely kazdej start sledovat :)
    PES
    PES --- ---
    Elonovy halucinace z roku 2017, na které opět v roce 2022 dostal peníze k vývoji:


    V roce 2022 SpaceX obdržela pětiletý kontrakt ve výši 102 milionů dolarů, v jehož rámci má SpaceX demonstrovat technologie pro účely nákladní raketové dopravy. Firma při tom může oprášit své plány z roku 2017 na rychlou přepravu lidí.


    Takto v představách výtvarníka měl vypadal start rakety z New Yorku do Šanghaje.


    Vesmírná loď přistává v Šanghaji po cestě z New Yorku za 39 minut. Aspoň tak to v roce 2017 plánoval Elon Musk.
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    Celkové náklady na vývoj Starship (dosud) $6-7 miliard USD
    Roční výdaje na program Starship ~$2 miliardy USD
    Odhadované náklady na jeden IFT $90-100 milionů USD

    to su celkom dobre cisla z pohladu ekonomiky v porovnani s nakladmi na SLS/Orion, kde jeden start SLS pokryje 2 roky programu Starship
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    SMRGL: Tam nejde o regulaci rychlosti, ale o to upozorneni. Pred lety tií auto precetlo znacku, dalo ti na headup informaci jaka tam je rychlost a to bylo cely. Nalozil sis s tim jak chces. Ted ti auto precte znacku a pokud jedes rychleji tak ti zacne kopat pedal nebo ti to zacne pipat apod. Automobilky to zacaly integrovat vsechny hned, protoze buhvi co za dalsi picovinu z EU vypadne zejo. Terba u passata jsou tyhle veci zapnuty defaultne po kazdem startu a neustale je vypinas. Takze uz to neni ze nastartujes a jedes, ale nastartujes, tlacitkem musis vypnout start stop, pak na tri kliky musis vypnout drzeni v pruzich a pak muzes teprve jet.
    KOUDY
    KOUDY --- ---
    Nedojmologuj :). Apple na ty funkci pracoval pres tri roky a mel velkej problem s tim aby s ni velky korporace jako facebook apod souhlasily..Bylo tam riziko ruznych zalob apod..Ta vec je systemova. Neni jen v EU nebo kvuli EU. Na to jestli muze google, facebook, openai a dalsi firmy pouzit tvoje data se te pta i v americe, japonsku nebo azerbajdzanu :)..Android nic takovyho nema. Apple vzdycky ctil soukromi svejch uzivatelu a tohle je proste jen jedna z mnoha featur, ale je fajn ji mit.

    Co me sralo jsou evropsky regulace diky kterejm tu nejsou dostupny funkce ruznejch programu a sluzeb.

    In a blog post Thursday, Meta explained that the "complex regulatory system" in Europe prevented it to launch Meta AI there, even though it's been available in the U.S. since 2023. This is now changing. Starting "this week" and "over the coming weeks," Meta AI will start to roll out in 41 European countries.

    Meta's AI chatbot is coming to Europe, with limitations | Mashable
    https://mashable.com/article/meta-ai-chatbot-europe

    https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/03/24/metas-ai-tool-still-not-cleared-for-use-by-eu-commission

    a diky temhle regulacim nam (tim myslim evrope) ujizdi technologickej vlak, protoze tu ty celosvetovy sluzby zacinaj bejt bud s rocnim/dvouletym zpozdenim, nebo znacne osekany a nebo tu nejsou vubec.
    MAWERICK
    MAWERICK --- ---
    XCHAOS: odrazovej mustek to je... jsou tam zdroje k vyrobe paliva a nemas tak hloubokou gravitacni studnui takze start z mesice dava mnohem vetsi smysl...
    SADY
    SADY --- ---
    Expert: Musk jen recykluje staré myšlenky. Jeho start-upový přístup nemůže fungovat - Aktuálně.cz
    https://zpravy.aktualne.cz/zahranici/stat-podle-muska-start-apova-logika-bez-pravidel-a-odpovedno/r~1a7928721fa711f0801c0cc47ab5f122/?
    JONY
    JONY --- ---
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/elon-musk-children-mothers-ashley-st-clair-grimes-dc7ba05c?mod=hp_lead_pos7

    The Tactics Elon Musk Uses to Manage His ‘Legion’ of Babies—and Their Mothers

    The world’s richest man juggles more than a dozen children and ‘harem drama’ along with running his companies and advising Trump. He recently took a paternity test in a battle with one woman over money and privacy.

    Ashley St. Clair wanted to prove that Elon Musk was the father of her newborn baby.

    But to ask the billionaire to take a paternity test, the right-wing social-media influencer had to go through Musk’s longtime fixer, Jared Birchall.

    “I don’t want my son to feel like he’s a secret,” St. Clair told Birchall in a two-hour phone call in December.

    Birchall offered St. Clair some advice. His boss was a “very big-hearted, kind and generous person,” he said. But Musk had a different side. When a mother of his child goes “the legal route” in these discussions, “that always, always leads to a worse outcome for that woman than what it would have been otherwise,” Birchall told the 26-year-old. Plus, he said, Musk wasn’t sure the child was his.

    It wasn’t the first such conversation for Birchall. His public job is running Musk’s family office, and he recently helped organize Musk’s more than $250 million push in support of Donald Trump’s election.

    Behind the scenes, Birchall also manages the financial and privacy deals Musk wants for the women raising the world’s richest man’s babies.

    Musk has had at least 14 children with four women, including the pop musician Grimes and Shivon Zilis, an executive at his brain computer company Neuralink. Multiple sources close to the tech entrepreneur said they believe the true number of Musk’s children is much higher than publicly known.

    Musk offered St. Clair $15 million and $100,000 a month in support in exchange for her silence about the child, whom they named Romulus. Similar agreements had been negotiated with other mothers of Musk’s children, Birchall told St. Clair.

    The fight with St. Clair over the terms of the deal for their baby has been going on as Musk has assumed one of the most influential roles in the U.S. government.

    As a top adviser to President Trump, he has been slashing staff and billions of dollars from the federal government as the head of the Department of Government Efficiency, with massive benefit programs such as Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare in the crosshairs.

    Musk’s baby-making project is relevant to his ambition for NASA, which he wants to move faster to go to Mars. He said on X that making people multiplanetary is “critical to ensuring the long-term survival of humanity and all life as we know it.”

    In Musk’s dark view of the world, civilization is under threat because of a declining population. He is driven to correct the historic moment by helping seed the earth with more human beings of high intelligence, according to people familiar with the matter.

    His businesses are set up to serve the idea: The main objective of SpaceX is to build a rocket ship capable of getting to Mars, and his other companies, including electric-car maker Tesla, help finance the plan.

    Musk refers to his offspring as a “legion,” a reference to the ancient military units that could contain thousands of soldiers and were key to extending the reach of the Roman Empire.

    During St. Clair’s pregnancy, Musk suggested that they bring in other women to have even more of their children faster. “To reach legion-level before the apocalypse,” he said to St. Clair in a text message viewed by The Wall Street Journal, “we will need to use surrogates.”

    He has recruited potential mothers on his social-media platform X, according to some of the people.

    Musk has used his wealth to buy the silence of some women who have his kids, according to St. Clair as well as other people, text messages and documents reviewed by the Journal.

    Nondisclosure clauses are part of some of the payment agreements. If the mothers push back or seek outside counsel, Musk’s advisers, including Birchall, have threatened financial retribution, according to the documents and people.

    Birchall described Musk’s expectations to St. Clair: “Privacy and confidentiality is the top of the list in every aspect of his life, every aspect, and his entire world is set up to be, like, a meritocracy.” Benefits flow, he said, when “people do good work.”

    During the call with Birchall, St. Clair told him she had received outreach from a woman Musk had invited to have his baby. She said she was being caught up in Musk’s “harem drama.”

    The details of Musk’s baby mission are only now starting to spill into the public. Grimes begged Musk in February for help on X when one of their children was having a “medical crisis” because Musk wouldn’t engage with her. Earlier that month, after their 4-year-old son, also called X, had been on national television on his father’s shoulders as he talked about government cuts in the Oval Office, Grimes posted that “he should not be in public like this.”

    A person familiar with Musk’s thinking on the agreements with the mothers of his children said that Musk believes it is better to resolve these matters behind closed doors for the safety and security of the child.

    ‘Make new humans’

    Musk has warned that “civilization is going to crumble” if people don’t start having more children, a view popularized as pronatalism in right-wing circles. The pronatalism movement is composed of people concerned about the birthrate and eager to implement policy and cultural solutions to the problem.

    Martin Varsavsky, a friend of Musk’s who founded a large chain of in vitro fertilization clinics in the U.S., said he has spoken with Musk about the risks of falling birthrates.

    “Without babies there’s no future, every problem becomes secondary to the problem of not having people on the planet,” said Varsavsky. “Elon believes that a country is not the geography, a country is the people.”

    Speaking to an audience at an investment conference in Saudi Arabia last year, Musk laid out the urgency of the matter. “I think for most countries, they should view the birthrate as the single biggest problem they need to solve. If you don’t make new humans, there’s no humanity, and all the policies in the world don’t matter,” Musk told the crowd over a live video.

    When the interviewer joked that Musk was doing his part to address the issue, the billionaire agreed. “Yes. I am. I mean, you know, you’ve got to walk the talk. So, I do have a lot of kids, and I encourage others to have lots of kids.”

    Separately, Musk has said he is concerned about what he called Third World countries having higher birthrates than the U.S. and Europe, a person familiar with the conversation said.

    One of the most important ways to change these dynamics, he has repeatedly told people close to him, is for educated people to have more children.

    In 2023, he had a meeting in Austin where people he described as Japanese officials asked him to be a sperm donor for a high-profile woman, according to a text message reviewed by the Journal. “They want me to be a sperm donor. No romance or anything, just sperm,” he texted St. Clair. Musk later told her he gave his sperm to the person who asked for it, without naming the woman.
    Special status

    Vivian Wilson, one of Musk’s older children from his first wife, Justine Musk, said recently to Teen Vogue that she doesn’t know how many half-siblings she has in her family. Musk is now estranged from Vivian because he refuses to accept her identity as transgender. Justine Musk had six children with Musk, but one child died as a baby.

    Grimes, whose legal name is Claire Boucher, has three young children with Musk. She and Musk went through a custody battle but settled in August.

    Musk offered his sperm to Zilis, and the two have four young children together. Zilis is viewed as a steadying force in Musk’s life and is the most prominent of Musk’s mothers.

    “He really wants smart people to have kids, so he encouraged me to,” Zilis told Musk’s biographer Walter Isaacson.

    The Yale University graduate was a founding member of the investment team at Bloomberg Beta, and made Forbes’s “30 Under 30” venture capital list in 2015. Zilis also was a board member at OpenAI and worked at Tesla earlier in her career.

    Two people close to Musk described her as having “special status,” meaning Musk chooses to spend time at her home in Austin as well as bringing her to high-profile public events.

    In January, Zilis attended a black tie pre-inauguration candlelit dinner with Musk, and was photographed speaking to Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and his fiancée, Lauren Sánchez.

    Weeks later, she was alongside Musk for a meeting with India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi at Blair House, the presidential guesthouse across the street from the White House, with two of their children and another of Musk’s in tow.
    ‘Pick a name’

    While Musk posts sometimes dozens of times a day on X about right-wing politics or his companies, among other things on his mind, he often interacts with lesser-known users. He replies to them and sometimes interacts through direct messages, some of whom he eventually solicits to have his babies, according to people who have viewed the messages.

    Cryptocurrency influencer Tiffany Fong was covering disgraced crypto tycoon Sam Bankman-Fried’s downfall when Musk started liking and replying to her posts. Musk’s interactions ramped up as Fong posted more political content in support of Trump, and Musk followed her last summer.

    That sort of attention from Musk on X, where he has 219 million followers, sent droves of followers to Fong, which was a financial boon. More engagement meant more earnings for her as part of a revenue-sharing program for creators on X.

    Instagram post showing Elon Musk subscribed and followed Tiffany Fong's account.
    Musk’s following was a financial boon for Tiffany Fong.

    During the height of her interactions with the billionaire owner, Fong earned $21,000 on the platform in a two-week period in November, according to a screenshot she posted.

    That was about when Musk sent her a direct message asking if she was interested in having his child, according to people familiar with the matter. The two had never met in person.

    Fong didn’t move forward with Musk because she pictured having children in a more traditional nuclear family, but confided to a few friends about the approach—including St. Clair, whom she knew as another conservative social-media figure—and how she worried that turning him down could hurt her earnings.

    Once Musk learned that Fong disclosed the request to others, he chided her for not using discretion, according to the people, and unfollowed her. That contributed to a fall in her engagement, and her earnings declined.

    St. Clair and Musk had met earlier, in the spring of 2023, after Musk began interacting with the influencer’s posts on X and followed her account. Soon after, they were exchanging direct messages before Musk invited her to visit the social-media platform’s San Francisco office, and then the relationship turned romantic.

    Musk invited St. Clair, who had been an operations manager at a conservative media company that owns The Babylon Bee, onto his private plane for a trip to Rhode Island where he was visiting one of his sons at college.

    The first time they had sex, Musk joked that they should “pick a name” for their future child. He frequently talked to her about having children, she said. It was months later on a New Year’s trip to St. Barts, that she told him that she was ovulating. He asked her “what are we waiting for?” and the two conceived their son on that trip, St. Clair said.

    Being in his circle brought with it access to a constant stream of texts, particularly about his growing involvement in Trump’s election.

    Before Musk publicly supported Trump, he texted her, “I can’t be President, but I can help Trump defeat Biden and I will.” In one text before Trump picked a running mate, viewed by the Journal, Musk asked St. Clair what she thought about Tulsi Gabbard as a vice presidential candidate, saying that in interviews she says “the right anti-establishment words.”

    While Musk was in Pennsylvania canvassing for Trump before the election, Musk sent a series of texts about the urgency of winning the state to St. Clair. “In all of history, there has never been a competitive army composed of women. Not even once,” he wrote. “Men are made for war. Real men, anyway.” He followed up with: “I am in full war mode. Going to the front lines today. Must win PA.”

    Protecting Elon

    In the December phone call, Birchall told St. Clair that his job was to “protect Elon.” He told her that he has been happily married to the same woman, but he has “been very involved in family law courts, very extensively” through his work for Musk. “I feel like I’ve been through, like, three divorces,” he said.

    Birchall worked in finance before becoming one of the top consiglieres in Musk’s orbit. Musk recruited him from Morgan Stanley’s private wealth management group, where he was part of a small team managing the businessman’s money.

    The two men couldn’t be more different on the surface: Birchall is a practicing Mormon with a large family who works hard to keep a low profile.

    Birchall’s formal responsibilities are wide ranging, from disbursing funds for Musk’s super PAC to assembling the team that helped Musk take Twitter private. His role as intermediary between Musk and some of the mothers happens in the background.

    Musk often has Birchall step in to handle negotiations with the women over arrangements for the pregnancy and financial support after. The arrangements play out in similar ways for the different women, according to a document and people familiar with the matter.

    Birchall was involved in acquiring the property for a compound in Austin where Musk imagined the women and his growing number of babies would all live among multiple residences, according to a person familiar with the matter. He is involved in other property deals across Musk’s different businesses.

    Zilis lives in the gated community with their children, and Musk comes and goes. Musk also attempted to get Grimes to move to the compound, but she refused. Similarly, he tried to get St. Clair to spend some time in Austin “with our kid legion,” according to a text he sent her.

    Birchall said on the December call with St. Clair the NDAs are necessary. “We have been through way too many issues where, to not sign some agreement associated with handing over 15-plus million dollars is absolutely insane and irresponsible, and because we have dealt with some very unstable, mentally unstable, people that all of a sudden misremember things,” he said.

    He added that his boss “cannot allow people to just go and share his life information. He is the biggest lightning rod on the entire planet.”

    When Birchall told St. Clair that other mothers signed similar secrecy agreements, she observed that they didn’t seem happy. Zilis, Birchall said, “goes in and out of finding contentment” but Grimes wasn’t “ever going to find true happiness.”

    ‘I want to knock you up again’

    Grimes claimed on X that her court battle with Musk over custody of their three children bankrupted her and that she had “a fraction of [Musk’s] resources (or iq/ strategy experience)” to navigate the family court system.

    Musk had sued Grimes in 2023 in Texas to establish the “parent-child relationship,” and Grimes countersued in California for primary physical custody.

    She alleged that Musk kept one of their children from her for five months and that, during court proceedings, Musk’s team dug up parts of her past to portray her as a bad mother. The two had dated in 2018 before having kids.

    Birchall featured prominently in Musk’s fight with Grimes, acting as a go-between for various negotiations between the musician and Musk. Birchall was also present in the Austin courtroom during their court fight. The case has been resolved and is now sealed. Grimes and Musk alternate weeks with the children, according to people familiar with the matter.

    St. Clair had a front-row seat to the custody battle, since she was dating Musk at the time and he updated her on the deliberations.

    A year later, she was in her own fight with Musk.

    After becoming pregnant with their son, St. Clair and Musk’s relationship progressed with Musk sending her flowers on her birthday and Mother’s Day. St. Clair’s toddler from a prior relationship had playdates with Musk’s young children, and she and the toddler met Musk’s mother, Maye.

    At one point St. Clair had a custom-made black “Make America Great Again” hat with Gothic style font made for Musk, a twist on the bright red cap. Musk wore it everywhere, even referencing it in stump speeches for Trump during the election. In November, Musk responded to a selfie she texted him saying: “I want to knock you up again.”

    While she was pregnant, Musk had urged her to deliver the baby via caesarean section and told her he didn’t want the child to be circumcised. (Musk has posted on X that vaginal births limit brain size and that C-sections allow for larger brains.) St. Clair is Jewish and circumcisions are an important ritual in the religion, and she decided against a C-section. He told her she should have 10 babies, and they debated the child’s middle name.

    Once she became visibly pregnant, she mostly stayed inside her apartment so the pregnancy wouldn’t become public, she said. During her pregnancy, Musk instructed Birchall to send St. Clair $2 million for expenses, she said, with half of that amount structured as a loan, according to a text message viewed by the Journal. She used the funds in part to pay for security, which came to more than $100,000 a month, she said.

    When she was in the hospital being induced for labor in September, Birchall texted her about leaving Musk’s name off the birth certificate, according to texts viewed by the Journal. Shortly before, she had hired an attorney, something Birchall had warned her not to do.

    She complied with the request to not name Musk on the birth certificate. Not long after the birth, Birchall pushed St. Clair to sign documents keeping the father of the baby and details regarding her relationship with Musk secret in return for financial support. The offer was a one-time fee of $15 million for a home and living expenses, plus an additional $100,000 a month until the baby turned 21.

    Musk told her by text it was dangerous to reveal his relationship to the baby, describing himself as the “#2 after Trump for assassination.” He added that “only the paranoid survive.”

    But she didn’t sign. The agreement prevented her from speaking about Musk in relation to the child or disparaging him, but didn’t bar Musk from speaking negatively about her if he wanted. St. Clair would have to pay back the $15 million lump sum if she broke the agreement.

    One of the main sticking points, she said, was that it would make her son feel illegitimate. The agreement didn’t provide support for their child if he became gravely ill or a trust fund or life insurance if Musk died before the child turned 21. The agreement would also not have an allotment for security expenses.

    She also wanted a paternity test. Courts in New York, where St. Clair lives, require the test to sanction child-support agreements, said Karen B. Rosenthal, one of St. Clair’s attorneys.

    A few times, St. Clair tried to hash things out directly with the billionaire, but she said he ignored her texts. In February, when she learned of a tabloid preparing a story about their relationship, she decided to front-run it and posted about it on X, making everything public for the first time, she said.

    “Five months ago, I welcomed a new baby into the world. Elon Musk is the father,” she wrote. “I have not previously disclosed this to protect our child’s privacy and safety, but in recent days it has become clear that tabloid media intends to do so, regardless of the harm it will cause.”

    Four days after the post, Musk eliminated the $15 million fee offer. Then, as they went to court to discuss paternity testing and Musk’s request for a gag order, he lowered the financial offer further, dropping her support to $40,000 a month, just as her legal fees were set to balloon in the fight.

    On Thursday, the Journal contacted Musk for comment for this article. On Friday, St. Clair didn’t receive her scheduled child support payment from Musk, she said. Late on Tuesday, she said Musk’s team sent her $20,000, halving her stipend again.

    “The timing of the reduction in payments from him are timed with disagreements on testing and gag orders. The only conclusion we can make is that money is being weaponized,” said Dror Bikel, another of St. Clair’s attorneys. St. Clair’s legal fees have exceeded $240,000, Rosenthal said.

    The case is working its way through the New York Supreme Court, which ordered that Musk take the paternity test.

    On Friday, the results came back. A report from Labcorp stated that the “Probability of Paternity” was 99.9999%.
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