no ja netvrdim, ze niekomu nieco vnucujes...ja som len spochybnoval ten clanok...a inak suhlas...

a ako sa tak pekne hovori: bez vanku sa ani listok na strome nepohne :) takze na tom vsetkom co je v tomto klube urcite aspon zlomok pravdy bude...a to je dolezite...problem je v tom, ze ja neverim nicomu :) nie na 100%

no chtel jsem tim rict, ze stejne nakonec uveris tomu, cemu verit chces, nehlede na fakta... a pouzil jsme k tomu ten jednoduchy citat, protoze to bylo nejjednodussi ;)

wilson ale pronesl jeste jednu zajimavou vetu:

information si the difference that makes the difference

takze kazda ta informace co tu je zase ovlivnuje to cemu chces verit
pripadne ukazuje cemu bys mohl zacit verit. ten nazor si ale udelas ty sam. ja nikomu zadny nazor, jak to bylo, vnucovat nechci. jen se snazim shromazdit informace ;)

pokud by ale 10 procent z nich bylo pravdivych, oficialni verze by mela vazne trhliny a pak by se stala de facto "konspiracni teorii" protoze s realitou nemela nic spolecneho ;))

JAXXE: nojo nojo, nemam rad tieto univerzalne prislovia, to potom clovek tazko nieco zargumetnuje...alebo naopak velmi lahko :)

beejbi: what the thinker thinks, prover proves ... ;)

no jo, pentagon je velmi podozrivy...al ja len poukazujem nato, ze vestko treba brat s rezervou..

BEEJBI: A kde jsou trosky treba toho Boeingu od Pentagonu? A kde jsou tela? ;) Vsechno je pravdepodobnejsi, nez oficialni verze...

no k tym videam, ako vobec nie je tazke na kompe dorobit do videa maly zablesk pod trupom lietadla, takze sa tomu neda verit o niv viac nez oficialnej verzii imho....

MI5 let al Qaida in, says Shayler

18th April 2004

security bosses let thousands of al Qaida members into the UK during the 1990s, former spy David Shayler has claimed.

The renegade ex-MI5 agent, who was jailed for selling top secret documents to a newspaper, also claimed some of the terrorists were granted British citizenship in an amazing blunder by his former bosses.

"In the early 1990s MI5 was very slow to get to grips with al Qaida," Shayler said in a TV interview.

"Despite repeated warnings they let in thousands of al Qaida members into this country who are all still here.

"Some of whom have gained British citizenship, which makes it very difficult to expel them." Middlesbrough-born Shayler revealed his fears on the ITV1 Tyne Tees programme The Sunday Interview.

He based his claims on information from French security service officials, who Shayler said, warned their British counterparts that al Qaida terrorists were trying to get into the country.

In 2002 he was jailed for risking British agents' lives by his "blinkered arrogance".

An Old Bailey jury convicted him of three charges under the Official Secrets Act after selling top secret documents, which were packed with names of agents, to a newspaper for £40,000.

He claimed he was a whistleblower trying to expose corruption and incompetence in the secret service.

But he remains convinced the UK is under great threat from an attack by Osama bin Laden's feared terror group.

http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=211629&in_page_id=2

urcite si pustte videa na tehle strance

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042004podmissile.htm



Eyewitness: 'I Saw Missile Hit the World Trade Center'

Seems like he had a pretty good view too. Read the commentary below for more analysis. This clip is from the Naudet Brothers' Video.

Were 'Pod Missiles' Used in the World Trade Center Attack?

Paul Joseph Watson | April 20 2004

Several websites have garnered worldwide attention recently for exposing apparent evidence of a 'pod missile' which was fired from Flight 175 before it hit the WTC South Tower.

In my book, Order Out of Chaos, which was written over a year ago and published in August 2003, I cited the research of Leonard Spencer and featured a discussion of the use of missiles, specifically in the case of Flight 11, which hit the North Tower,

The story of the 'Fireman's Video' is well known. Two French filmmakers, the Naudet Brothers, were in New York on September 11 making a documentary about the New York Fire Service. The footage shows that, while filming in Canal Street, firemen and crew are distracted by a plane flying low overhead. The camera operator instinctively turns his camera towards the North Tower and, for little more than a second or so, we get a clear view of the plane crashing into the tower. It is a precious, priceless second. It is the one-second of video that really makes the sinister Bush junta nervous. It really gives them nightmares. They really didn't want a professional cameraman to catch that moment on broadcast-quality tape.

If you've got it on tape I strongly suggest you take another look at it, with the pause and frame-forward buttons at the ready. If you don't have it taped you can purchase the documentary in which it appears on video and DVD. It's called simply '9/11'.

When seen at full speed, you might first of all think that there isn't a great deal to see. There's half a second or so when we see the plane flying through the air then it smashes into the tower, creating an explosion and leaving a great gash across the building. Notice though that immediately before it hits the building the plane emits a brief, bright flash. Notice too that the scar it leaves on the building is rather larger than seems appropriate for the size of the aircraft.

Watch carefully what happens as the plane approaches and crashes into the tower. I leave you to come to your own conclusions about what you see (watch it over and over again, backwards and forwards), but I'll tell you what I see. Immediately before the plane strikes it fires a missile that blows a hole in the building's façade. This is the cause of that brief flash. The plane then begins to disappear neatly into this hole, leaving no wing impressions. (A plane disappearing into a hole? Where have I heard that before; wasn't there something about a plane at the Pentagon?) Just before it disappears however it fires two more missiles from somewhere near its tail. One goes to the left, one to the right (and up a bit) and it is the blast holes from these three separate missiles that form the great gash across the building.

Blair: If Britain Votes No to Europe, We'll Just Have Another Referendum Until They Vote Yes

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1079420512944

DRIFTER: Doufám že teroristům dochází, že útočit na USA by bylo relativně kontraproduktivní. Když je nechaj na pokoji, ať pořád strašej falešnejma útokama IMHO by se GW Bush poroučel ve volbách od válu (pomineme-li nějaký ty vyfabrikovaný útoky..)

...a masirovanie pokracuje v stale vacsom meritku!

Bush: Americans Have Reason to Fear Another Terrorist Attack
Wednesday, April 21, 2004

WASHINGTON – President Bush said Wednesday that those Americans who expect another terror attack in this country have reason for such fears. "This is a hard country to defend," he conceded.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/21/154646.shtml


FBI Agent: 2004 Will Be Remembered as 'Summer of Terror'
Monday, April 19, 2004 2:50 p.m. EDT

Today on "Fox News Live," former FBI Special Agent Harold Copus said that the summer of 2004 will be remembered as the "Summer of Terror."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/19/150934.shtml

Ridge Forms New Terrorism Task Force
Monday, Apr. 19, 2004

WASHINGTON -- With an eye on a large number of symbolic gatherings, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge is forming a new government task force to better coordinate public and private security - and hopefully prevent the next terrorist attack.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/19/100104.shtml

etc

http://www.newsmax.com/

Bush plans world recruitment drive to arm for peace

April 20, 2004

Facing a chronic shortage of foreign troops for peacekeeping missions, US President George Bush has decided to launch an international drive to boost the supply of available forces.

It calls for the United States to commit about $US660 million ($880 million) over the next five years to train, equip and provide logistical support to forces in nations willing to take part in peace operations.

The Global Peace Operations Initiative will be aimed largely at Africa. It will expand the peacekeeping skills of African forces and encourage international military exercises in the region, where US officials say much of the need exists.

But African forces developed under the program could be used in peace operations anywhere in the world, they said.

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http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082357118340.html

tady vyber z bushe... ;)

The Top 19 Dumbest Statements of the Past Week

http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/dumbeststatements.htm

ten rozhovor s kerrym je zábavnej
SEN. KERRY: I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.
btw. doporučuju knížku od Egona Bondyho - Cybercomix
sice trochu odjinud a přece k tématu ;)

Hyde Park

Jak vidí vztah Izraele k Palestincům
Moishe Arye Friedman
Izrael v současné době vede vlastní holokaust proti Palestincům

Izrael a "obušek holokaustu"

V posledních týdnech se po celém světě vedou bouřlivé diskuse o filmu Mela Gibsona. Zvláště představitelé Státu Izrael a takzvaných "izraelitských kultovních obcí" (židovské náboženské obce) jako pan Spiegel, pan Roman Bronfman, Michel Friedman, Ariel Muzikant aj. se v tomto ohledu vyjádřili krajně provokativně a vznesli vyděračské požadavky vůči katolické církvi a křesťanským národům. Tyto "obce" však nezastupují víře věrné židovství, nýbrž v celém světě bojují proti pravověrným, antisionistickým, ortodoxním Židům dokonce i kriminálními metodami.

Likvidace Palestinců

K filmu samotnému se nemůžeme a nechceme vyjadřovat, protože z morálních a náboženských důvodů zásadně nesledujeme žádné filmy. Vzhledem k záměrně rozněcovanému chaosu bychom však rádi zaujali stanovisko k pozadí tohoto snímku, přičemž se však v tomto článku nebudeme podrobně zabývat událostmi z doby před 2000 lety.
Už asi 58 let se svět musí dívat na to, jak je arabské obyvatelstvo Palestiny likvidováno, připraveno o své sídelní oblasti, z velké části vyhnáno a krvavě pronásledováno státem apartheidu Izraelem. Palestinci přitom nemají šanci se bránit, protože se vždy hned použije "obušek holokaustu", aby byl každý kritik umlčen těmito etnickými čistkami. Izrael přitom vede vlastní holokaust proti Palestincům na rozdíl od barbarství minulosti zcela veřejně před očima celého světa, což nemá v dějinách světa obdoby. Současně se vzbuzuje dojem, že Stát Izrael a takzvané "izraelitské kultovní obce" jsou legitimními zástupci židovství, případně židovského náboženství, přičemž v tomto ohledu není nevinná ani katolická církev a Vatikán. V této situaci docházejí normální občané právem k závěru, že Židé jakožto Židé nebo společnost věřících jsou špatným národem, že jsou brutální a krvežízniví. Ale stejně jako nelze činit věřící Židy odpovědnými za činy od víry odpadlých bolševiků, komunistů atd. židovského původu, platí to i pro sionisty a Izrael, jejichž existence odporuje pravé židovské víře. Pravou židovskou povahu reprezentují statisíce přísně ortodoxních věřících, kteří se podle Boží vůle podřizují různým národům, mezi nimiž žijí, a vždy byli a jsou loajálními občany toho kterého státu. Totéž platí pro Palestinu a ostatní arabské, případně islámské státy, jejichž mimořádné pohostinnosti jsme po staletí s vděčností využívali.
Od víry odpadlí sionisté však jakživ nemohou reprezentovat židovství a jeví se světové veřejnosti zcela správně jako bezbožní vrazi. V této souvislosti je také třeba poukázat na správná konstatování nejvýš řádného politika CDU Dr. Martina Hohmanna, který je v našich obcích po celém světě vážen. Právě v období našeho židovského svátku pesach, kdy nám Bůh v tóře několikrát připomíná, že Židé byli uprchlíky a že se na základě vlastních zkušeností máme chovat k ostatním v těžké situaci milosrdně a citlivě, musíme připomenout, že žádné právo na světě nemůže oněm přibližně 6 milionům palestinských uprchlíků odmítnout jejich návrat do vlasti. Navíc musíme upozornit na to, že to byli právě sionisté, kdo před druhou světovou válkou a během ní masivními prostředky bránil různým zemím přijímat židovské uprchlíky. V této souvislosti to byla katolická světová organizace Caritas, která většině z nich pomohla a zajistila budoucnost.

Sionistické vydírání

Je nám záhadou, proč mezinárodní společenství připouští likvidaci palestinských náboženských vůdců, zatímco takzvané vrchní rabíny Státu Izrael, kteří stojí za všemi krvavými a teroristickými vojenskými akcemi této země, slavnostně a s velkou pompou přijímají všechny vlády světa i Vatikán. Oni však v žádném případě nejsou zástupci židovské víry! To platí i pro hnutí "Kach Kahane Chabad Lubavich", které se vydává za ortodoxní a podporuje teroristické skupiny osidlovatelů a kterému se v Rakousku dostává tak velké podpory. Jedině antisionistické židovství věrné tóře reprezentuje pravou židovskou víru. Je načase, aby to světová veřejnost a také katolická církev a Vatikán uznaly a nenechaly se dále vydírat bohapustými sionisty.

Autor je vrchní rabín Ortodoxní židovské obce ve Vídni

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Autor: MOISHE ARYE FRIEDMAN

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/mfdnes.asp?r=Bnazorya&c=nazorya_8_5

'Proud' Vanunu vows to fight on

Mordechai Vanunu has been freed after an 18-year jail sentence for leaking Israel's atomic weapons secrets.
Mr Vanunu was released from Shikma prison, Ashkelon, in southern Israel.

To both jeers and cheers from a large crowd, he said he was proud of what he had done and had suffered "very cruel and barbaric treatment".

He said; "Israel doesn't need nuclear arms... My message today to all the world is open the Dimona [nuclear] reactor for inspections".

Answering questions from reporters, Mr Vanunu said he was "not totally free" because of the restrictions Israel had placed on him, including a ban on travel outside the country.

Vanunu speaks: Key quotes
But he said he wanted to go to the United States, get married and start a family.

He said he had been treated harshly because he had converted to Christianity and he no longer had any secrets to publish.

Restrictions

Despite his protestations, the authorities say Mr Vanunu still possesses information that could jeopardise Israel's security.

He is not allowed to have a passport, is forbidden to approach ports and airports, and has been told not to talk to foreigners without permission.

On the basis of the information he gave to the UK's Sunday Times newspaper in 1986, analysts concluded Israel had scores of nuclear warheads.

Israel maintains a policy of "strategic ambiguity" about its supposed nuclear arsenal and it has refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which would open Dimona up to international al scrutiny.

Supporters had gathered outside the jail, waving banners and calling Vanunu a "hero of peace". But many in Israel see him as a traitor who has endangered the country.

Israel said it could have placed much tougher post-release restrictions on Mr Vanunu - and the length of time the current regime will remain in force depends on his behaviour.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3645225.stm

Russert Again Quizzes Kerry on Skull and Bones

MSNBC | April 20 2004

MR. RUSSERT: Before we go, you and George Bush were both members of Skull & Bones, the secret society at Yale. The rule is, if someone mentions Skull & Bones, you walk out of the room. If you're both in a...

SEN. KERRY: You trying to get rid of me here?

MR. RUSSERT: You're both in a presidential debate and the moderator says "Skull & Bones," you both leave the podiums?

SEN. KERRY: I doubt it.

MR. RUSSERT: You'll hang in there.

SEN. KERRY: I think you'll see both of us have our two--you know I'd love to have a debate with the president [blah blah blah blah blah blah]

MR. RUSSERT: Senator John Kerry, thank you for your views.

SEN. KERRY: Thank you.

Mr. RUSSERT: And we'll be right back.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4772030/

Bush says it's vital to make Patriot Act permanent

Mike Allen, Washington Post
Tuesday, April 20, 2004


Hershey, Pa. -- President Bush said Monday that he considered it vital for Congress to pass a permanent version of the USA Patriot Act, which has been criticized by some liberals and conservatives for giving the federal government too much power in the name of fighting terrorism.

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"The Patriot Act defends our liberty," Bush said, repeatedly thumping the podium. "The Patriot Act makes it able for those of us in positions of responsibility to defend the liberty of the American people. It's essential law."

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/04/20/MNG3N67NR51.DTL