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    DOTCOMJaderna fuze aneb spasa svetove energetiky do 30 let
    KAERO
    KAERO --- ---
    LOBOOO: nezapominal bych na stelaratory:
    Wendelstein 7-X | Max-Planck-Institut für Plasmaphysik
    https://www.ipp.mpg.de/w7x

    Jinak me to prijde fascinujici, ze existuje neco jako 'startup' v oblasti fuze.

    A normalne pis 100 MK misto 100M K.
    LOBOOO
    LOBOOO --- ---
    Firma Helion Energy získala investici $500M. Vypadá to dost zajímavě, doporučuju kouknout na animaci na jejich webu a FAQ. Oproti ostatním přístupům to funguje pulzně, bez ignition, chtějí použít D-He3 reakci a energii odčerpávají pomocí elektromagnetické indukce.

    Jako největší otazník vidím schopnost dosáhnout teploty potřebné k D-He3 reakci, prý to je 500M K, ale třeba to probíhá v menší míře i za nižší teploty.

    Už za sebou mají 6 prototypů, v tom posledním dosáhli teploty 100M K, má za sebou 10 000 pulzů. Další prototyp by měl generovat malé množství elektřiny, chtějí ho dokončit v roce 2024, letos začali stavět budovu.

    Měl jsem představu, že je jenom ITER, který je z hlediska časově a ekonomicky beznadějný, i kdyby za 30 dokázali postavit DEMO, nebude cenově konkurenceschopný. Ale zjistil jsem, že se situace potichu docela změnila, je tu spousta startupů, které vypadají mnohem slibněji, po Helionu jsou prý nejnadějnější, v tomto pořadí - ZAP, TAE, Tokamak Energy, CFS, General Fusion.

    https://www.helionenergy.com/our-technology/ - Animace s popisem jejich technologie.
    https://www.helionenergy.com/faq/ - FAQ
    https://blog.samaltman.com/helion - Blog post hlavního investora.
    https://www.reddit.com/user/elmarm - Hodně jsem se dozvěděl z historie tohohle uživatele, zná se se zakladatelem.
    DOTCOM
    DOTCOM --- ---
    Vize pro energii budoucnosti nabývá konkrétních obrysů díky novému tokamaku - Akademie věd České republiky
    https://www.avcr.cz/cs/veda-a-vyzkum/aplikovana-fyzika/Vize-pro-energii-budoucnosti-nabyva-konkretnich-obrysu-diky-novemu-tokamaku/
    VOYTEX
    VOYTEX --- ---
    Ahoj, chci se optat, jestli upgrade Compassu bezi dle planu a zda je jeho financovani pandemicky stabilni :-) dik
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    Ropný gigant Chevron investuje do startupu zaměřeného na rozvoj jaderné fúze

    https://oenergetice.cz/...ny/ropny-gigant-chevron-investuje-startupu-zamereneho-rozvoj-jaderne-fuze/
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    A world’s first in 2011, fusion research company Tokamak Solutions worked with partners at Oxford Instruments, the Czech Technical University and Institute of Plasma Physics, Prague to use HTS magnets on a tokamak

    In 2011, a research team at the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory (NHMFL) at Florida State University reached a new world record in magnetic field generation, successfully testing a superconducting electromagnet to a field of 35.4 Tesla

    2G HTS Wire | SuperPower
    http://www.superpower-inc.com/content/2g-hts-wire
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    ARC 2015: This highly attractive combination is enabled by the ∼23 T peak field on coil achievable with newly available REBCO superconductor technology.

    - the plasma confinement strongly improves with magnetic field strength.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920379615302337

    YBCO 1986

    30 let
    DOTCOM
    DOTCOM --- ---
    Bude za něj svět Česku platit? V Praze vzniká ojedinělé výzkumné zařízení - iDNES.cz
    https://www.idnes.cz/technet/veda/jaderna-fuze-cesko.A200710_161011_veda_mla
    KAERO
    KAERO --- ---
    :: OSEL.CZ :: - Jak daleko jsme pokročili k jaderné fúzi?
    https://www.osel.cz/11176-jak-daleko-jsme-pokrocili-k-jaderne-fuzi.html

    Chudaka Wagnera nejaky Hulva troli v diskuzi pod clankem, ale Wagner dava do kontextu financovani a musim rict ze jsem si vubec neuvedomil, jak je letadlovka nebo olympiada draha:

    "Vladimír Wagner,2020-05-18 10:54:09
    Pane Hulva, možná by bylo dobré posadit tyto věci do kontextu. Celkové náklady na ITER by měly být okolo 30 miliard EUR. Olympiáda v Londýně (nebyla ta nejnákladnější) stála 15 miliard EUR. Letadlová loď USS Gerald R. Ford stála 13 miliard dolarů. Mrakodrap Burdž Chalifa stál 1,3 miliard dolarů. ZA cenu ITER by byly zhruba čtyři jaderné bloku III. generace. Roční podpora fotovoltaiky jen u nás je více než miliarda euro ročně."
    DOTCOM
    DOTCOM --- ---
    Nejdražší vědecký projekt na zemi — Studio 6 — iVysílání — Česká televize
    https://www.ceskatelevize.cz/...fbclid=IwAR0Q_bOIzmM-T_QM8PWb2mLPFEQeOvF5VaRCFMecgSrjp2Ox4AaIb2z-_Us
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    no, a Cinani jedou prave YBCO... dnes zjisteno. YBCO existuje od roku 1986.

    Another significant advancement in nuclear fusion generation utilizing YBCO is China’s “Artificial sun.”

    The EAST reactor is a Tokamak reactor that exists in China. This reactor utilizes superconducting YBCO as well and it made a very significant advancement in the last year. This reactor was able to hold a stable plasma for 101.2 seconds on July 3rd of last year. This is the longest time that a stable plasma has been held for in world history and it was facilitated by YBCO.
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    ad high-temperature superconductor coil that generates a magnetic field of 14.4 tesla inside a 31.1-tesla resistive background magnet to obtain a d.c. magnetic field of 45.5 tesla ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1293-1 ): irradiated GdBCO tape paper

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6668/aaadf2/pdf
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    Čína dokončila svůj nejnovější tokamak. „Umělé Slunce“ by se mělo rozsvítit už letos — ČT24 — Česká televize
    https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/...ila-svuj-nejnovejsi-tokamak-umele-slunce-se-melo-rozsvitit-uz-letos
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    Collaboration between MIT and a new private company, Commonwealth Fusion Systems

    3Q: Zach Hartwig on MIT's big push on fusion | MIT News
    http://news.mit.edu/2018/3q-zach-hartwig-mit-big-push-fusion-0309

    investments come from Eni, a multinational energy company seeking to diversify its portfolio with a forward-looking investment in fusion energy.

    A new era in fusion research at MIT | MIT News
    http://news.mit.edu/2018/new-era-fusion-research-mit-eni-0309
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    Is it true that this reactor doesn't use the latest REBCO superconductors? I watched a talk where they claim they can make reactors 10x smaller now, because they increased the strength of the magnetic field (can go up to 10-20T, instead of 3T). And the superconducting tape is cheap, much more flexible and only needs to be cooled to 100K instead of 4K.

    If that's true and I'm not mistaken, the MIT ARC reactor would be much better posed to win the race than Wendelstein 7-X, especially that W7X doesn't aim to generate surplus energy. A commenter above was wondering at the expensive diamond window they had to use. This project is going to be too expensive and with dated technology. We could do it cheaper now.


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    The design for ITER was finalized in 2001, amended in 2007. Construction for W7-X started 2003. W7-X is now built, fully functional and operational. At several points during its construction, the construction process for its required parts had to be invented first.

    That's 15+ years of research, breakthroughs and inventions in plasma confinement physics and engineering that have had to happen first.

    As a noncommercial research reactor, W7-X will continue to be useful for many years to come. For material testing alone I would imagine access to reactor capable of producing a stable, continuous fusion reaction is invaluable.

    The ARC is a design proposal from 2015. As such they have access and can utilize all the achievements, results and processes from W7-X, ITER and other material science advances of the last 15 years. If their proposal was not better than already built specimens, it would be a bad proposal. To declare it a race against the research foundation they built upon seems ignorant at best.

    In 10-20 years, when the ARC is built, a new design proposal will emerge, based on even newer advances in material science and the lessons learned from building the ARC. And it again will be better than the then current, assembled reactors. That is how it is supposed to be.

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    W7X isn't a reactor. It is not even fusion. It's just plasma physics research.

    Is it true that this reactor doesn't use the latest REBCO superconductors? I wat... | Hacker News
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13150782
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    DRZEEF
    DRZEEF --- ---
    FYI: mame 45 TESLA high-field na REBCO.... narozdil od ITERU 5 Tesla supravodic z 50.tych let s Niobem

    pres 20 TESLA to ma jiz pres 30 let

    REBCO (REBa2Cu3Ox, where RE = Y, Gd)

    nedostatek chemickych fyziku imo, materialovych chemiku a fyziku se znalosti chemie.... tolik k materialum

    cerven 2019

    45.5-tesla direct-current magnetic field generated with a high-temperature superconducting magnet

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1293-1

    + je to odolne proti Quenchi

    ja to netusil, vsiml jsem si toho dnes nahodou pri cteni supravodicu pri pokojove teplote, high-pressure

    ale je jiste ze to vedouci zodpovedni za ITER totalne podelali

    podivej se na ty kalkulace

    This can be seen by noting that 9.2 T ARC has a fifth of the ∼$24B price of the 5.3 T ITER (calculated by applying the fabricated component scaling to the ∼ 23,000 tonne ITER). Yet ARC matches ITER's fusion power and produces net electricity. The cost of ARC is approximately one-third the cost of the 8 T ARIES-RS (∼$14B), but ARIES-RS has approximately four times the electrical output. The smaller ARC is appropriate for an “entry-level” fusion Pilot plant, but there likely exists a better economic optimization of magnetic field strength versus mass for a full power plant.


    REBCO v ARC vs ITER (niobium-tin (Nb3Sn), "REBCO-free ITER fail")

    A natural comparison is ITER which also produces 500 MW of fusion power with a similar shaping (ϵ ∼ 0.33), but with B0 ∼ 5.3 T. As expected from the dependence in fusion power density, the peak on-coil field of Bcoil,max ∼ 20 T enabled by REBCO technology allows ARC to achieve a FNSF/Pilot-relevant areal fusion power density (∼3 MW/m2) in a device with roughly a tenth of ITER's volume. Additionally, as a consequence of the high toroidal field, the ARC design point has double the safety factor of ITER, making it more robust against disruptions.

    ARC: A compact, high-field, fusion nuclear science facility and demonstration power plant with demountable magnets - ScienceDirect
    ARC: A compact, high-field, fusion nuclear science facility and demonstration power plant with demountable magnets - ScienceDirect
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920379615302337?via%3Dihub
    DOTCOM
    DOTCOM --- ---
    KAERO: no tenhle argument docela zabira, ale casem se asi ohraje....
    Kliknutím sem můžete změnit nastavení reklam