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    FESAKFLOYDDementogenní psychofarmaka a metabolické jedy
    Psychiatric Drugs Kill the Lives of Those Who Take Them http://www.encognitive.com/node/1185 Drug-Induced Dementia: a perfect crime http://www.amazon.com/Drug-Induced-Dementia-MD-Grace-Jackson/dp/1438972318 Brain Damage Caused by Neuroleptic Psychiatric Drugs http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage Evidence of Neuroleptic Drug-Induced Brain Damage http://www.ahrp.org/risks/biblio0100.php Arch Gen Psychiatry -- Abstract: Long-term Antipsychotic Treatment and Brain Volumes: A Longitudinal Study of First-Episode Schizophrenia, February 2011, Ho et al. 68 (2): 128 http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/68/2/128 Metanalysis: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976341200125X Antipsychotic deflates the brain Drug for schizophrenia causes side effects by shrinking part of the brain. http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html Indeed, it looks as if after some 50 years widespread prescribing there is going to be a massive re-evaluation and re-interpretation of these drugs, with a reversal of their evaluation as a great therapeutic breakthrough. It now seems distinctly possible that for half a century the creation of millions of asocial, neuroleptic-dependent but docile Parkinsonian patients has been misinterpreted as a ‘cure’ for schizophrenia. This wholesale re-interpretation represents an unprecedented disaster for the self-image and public reputation – not just of psychiatry – but of the whole medical profession. Perhaps the main useful lesson from the emergence of the 'atypical' neuroleptics is that psychiatrists did not need to make all of their agitated and psychotic patients Parkinsonian in order to suppress their behavior. ‘Atypicals’ are weakly neuroleptic but highly sedative. This implies that sedation is probably sufficient for behavioral control in most instances [3, 17]. In the immediate term, it therefore seems plausible that already-existing, cheap, sedative drugs (such as benzodiazepines or antihistamines) offer realistic hope of being safer, equally effective and subjectively less-unpleasant substitutes for neuroleptics in many (if not all) patients. I would argue that this should happen sooner rather than later. If we apply the test of choosing what treatment we would prefer for ourselves or our relatives with acute agitation or psychosis, knowing what we now know about neuroleptics, I think that many people (perhaps especially psychiatric professionals) would now wish to avoid neuroleptics except as a last resort. Few would be happy to wait a decade or so for the accumulations of a mass of randomized trial data (which may never emerge, since such trials would lack a commercial incentive) before making the choice of less dangerous and unpleasant drugs [17]. But there is no hiding the fact that if neuroleptics were indeed to be replaced by sedatives then this would seem like stepping-back half a century. It would entail an acknowledgement that psychiatry has been living in a chronic delusional state – and this may suggest that the same could apply to other branches of medicine. Since such a wholesale cognitive and organizational reappraisal is unlikely, perhaps the most realistic way that the desired change in practice will be accomplished is not by an explicit ‘return’ to old drugs but by the introduction of a novel (and patentable) class of sedatives which are marketed as having some kind of (more-or-less plausible) new therapeutic role. Why are doctors still prescribing neuroleptics? by Bruce G Charlton http://www.hedweb.com/bgcharlton/neuroleptics.html
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    IOM_NUKSO
    IOM_NUKSO --- ---
    IXTREMIST: a úplně nejlepší je, že je tady jediný, ktery ty léky bere.
    IXTREMIST
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    KOCOURMIKES: Jsi jediný, kdo se tu o neuroleptikach baví. Ostatní se baví o tobě.
    IOM_NUKSO
    IOM_NUKSO --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: si psychotický až sa hory zelenajú; a vieš o tom...
    KOCOURMIKES
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    CORNELA: ktera btw ?
    KOCOURMIKES
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    IXTREMIST: prosimte neopruzuj v tomto auditku se bavime o neurolepticich
    IXTREMIST
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    CORNELA: Já myslím, že těch přidružených onemocnění je tam více, proto jsem napsal komorbidita.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    CORNELA: popiras ze neuroleptika meni objemy bile hmoty a sede kury v mozku ? melas tu dva clanky ktere to prokazuji
    KOCOURMIKES
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    Are drugs causing the dementia epidemic? | Intrepid Report.com
    http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/5559
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    CORNELA: ale existuje precti si tady dovzdelej se tos nevedelas

    Google
    https://www.google.cz/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=hZayVJGNCYqH8Qf0poGAAw&gws_rd=ssl#q=tardive+dysmentia
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    MORPHLER: k tomu jsem se nedostal, jinak mas pravdu tohle je auditko o nebezpeci neuroleptik, je to cesta k chemicke lobotomii a k tardivni demenci, surely, je to nemale zlo globalne.
    KLUZAU: diky za konstruktivni prispevek, snad si to verejnost uvedomi. pokud vim tak treba ve Finsku jsou s neuroleptiky opatrni, studie ze neuroleptika poskozuji mozek existuji.
    KOCOURMIKES
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    CORNELA: ja uznavam neuroleptika jako akutni reseni. pro lidi specificky s paranoidni schizofrenii i dlouhodobe, jinak s takzvanou udrzovaci lecbou nesouhlasim, protoze psychousi {psychiatri} perou neuroleptika uplne do vsech na potkani, i do tech co nemaji zadnou psychozu.
    MORPHLER
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    KLUZAU: jaky typ odborniku si predstavujes? psychology a psychoterapeuty takove znam. u psychiatru je to trochu horsi- ekonomicka incentiva funguje spise pro to, aby jen predepsali leky a nedelali neco jineho nebo navic. napada me, ze http://www.diabasis.cz je trochu timto smerem.
    MORPHLER
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    KOCOURMIKES: vazne? zatim mam spise pocit ze jsme v diskuzi (!sic) s botem. (nemam si precist nastenku?) odkazy na studie jeste nedelaji odbornost diskuze. a jednostrannost a zarputile odmitani jineho pohledu neni ani moc vedecke. tim to tu nechci nijak shazovat, i takovy klub ma imho svuj vyznam- mozna by pomohlo, kdybys do nastenky napsal, ze tohle ma byt diskuze vylucne o negativnich ucincich psychofarmak a nechces zde resit jejich mozny prinos at uz podle tebe existuje nebo ne, ani tvou osobu a nemilosrdne za to davat RO.

    mam pocit, ze nejak zapominas, ze tyto leky nemaji jen stranku nabidky, ale take potavky a to pomerne znacnou. sam jsem narazil na docela dost lidi, kteri proste davaji prednost lekum nez jakekoli jine forme lecby. myslim si, ze urcite varovani a informace o moznych negativnich dopadech je na miste, ale touhle formou kterou jsi zvolil to imho moc fungovat nemuze. (jak muzes videt z prevazujicich reakci zde)

    nejak jsem nepostrehl, ze by tu nekdo vylozene nesouhlasil s tim, ze nektere ucinky psychofarmak jsou negativni. na druhou stranu mam pocit, zes ty popiras, ze na nektere lidi maji i cast ucinku pro ne velmi prinosnych, cimz svuj pohled dost shazujes.

    a v neposledni rade, jen boris, popiras a nenabizis zde alternativy (celkove jiny pohled na tyto stavy, jine moznosti reseni stavu nez leky...) cimz je uzitecnost pro lidi kterych by se to mohlo tykat dost omezena.
    KLUZAU
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    Ahoj, Přicházím s konkrétním dotazem.
    Mad in America - poměrně etablovaná organizace, různé přístupy, ale stejně smýslející odborníci (zaměření na "full recovery") - bez léků.
    Writers - Mad In America
    http://www.madinamerica.com/writers/
    Vycházejí z výzkumů WHO, Oxfordu, atd.

    Nechci se s nikým hádat. Jen se chci zeptat, narazil li někdo v ČR na podobně smýšlející odborníky, nebo nemá li dokonce osobní zkušenost. Moje pátrání zatím marné.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    co to melete ? jste v odborne diskusi
    IOM_NUKSO
    IOM_NUKSO --- ---
    to uz ani nie je komorbidita, ale totalny zasek a celkovy rozpad (z toho zaseku), zemetrasenie demencie.
    IXTREMIST
    IXTREMIST --- ---
    SHEALA: omyl, kolegyně. S blbotem. Takovej bludnej kruh jsem už dlouho neviděl. Komorbidita jako prase ..
    SHEALA
    SHEALA --- ---
    Achjo, já se bavím s botem.
    KOCOURMIKES
    KOCOURMIKES --- ---
    SHEALA: precti si zahlavi a nastenku
    SHEALA
    SHEALA --- ---
    KOCOURMIKES: Pokud na sobě pozoruješ nějaký rozpad exekutivních funkcí, obávám se, že za tím nebudou neuroleptika.
    A pokud rád čteš dlouhý materiály, tady ti pošlu něco ke čtení: http://www.mentem.cz/blog/exekutivni-funkce/
    Kliknutím sem můžete změnit nastavení reklam