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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day


    "Given the sheer enormity of climate change, it’s okay to be depressed, to grieve. But please, don’t stay there too long. Join me in pure, unadulterated, righteous anger."


    "I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. Once you start to act, the hope is everywhere."

    "Our best scientists tell us insistently that a calamity is unfolding, that the life-support systems of the Earth are being damaged in ways that threaten our survival. Yet in the face of these facts we carry on as usual."

    “We’ve got to stop burning fossil fuels. So many aspects of life depend on fossil fuels, except for music and love and education and happiness. These things, which hardly use fossil fuels, are what we must focus on.”

    A nejde o to, že na to nemáme dostatečné technologie, ty by na řešení použít šly, ale chybí nám vůle a představivost je využít. Zůstáváme při zemi, přemýšlíme až moc rezervovaně. Technologický pokrok to sám o sobě nevyřeší. Problém jsme my, ne technologické nástroje.

    Rostouci hladiny oceanu, zmena atmosferickeho proudeni, zmeny v distribuci srazek a sucha. Zmeny karbonoveho, fosforoveho a dusikoveho cyklu, okyselovani oceanu. Jake jsou bezpecnostni rizika a jake potencialni klady dramatickych zmen fungovani zemskeho systemu?
    Ale take jak funguji masove dezinformacni kampane ropneho prumyslu a boj o verejne mineni na prahu noveho klimatickeho rezimu post-holocenu.
    rozbalit záhlaví
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    MRAKY: Popisuješ současnou situaci. Jenže globální teplota stále rychleji stoupá. Je podle tebe možná adaptace i na teploty 55-65C? Proč myslíš, že nám nehrozí masivní klimatická migrace?
    MRAKY
    MRAKY --- ---
    MRAKY: tady jeste dodam Na BV se idiotsky zmenila architektura. Kdysi cela oblast byla uzpusobena zit v 45+. architektura byla cilene zamerena na zvyseni prutoku vzduchu. Pouzivala se tekouci voda na chlazeni prostredi. Populace zila v podvecer/rano/noci. Dneska? Baraky jsou staveny tak, ze vyzaduji klimatizaci. na tekouci vodu nenarazich. Populace je tlacena do zivotniho rytmu, ktery odpovida mirnym klimatickym podminkam... Proste se vytraci adaptace na prostredi.
    MRAKY
    MRAKY --- ---
    GOJATLA: ono je dneska jedno, jestli tam je 45, nebo 58. Oboji uz znamena, ze musis zit v kontrolovanem prostredi. Kdysi se to resilo architekturou/zivotnim stylem. Dneska se to resi predevsim klimatizaci...Pokud jsi vyrustal v CR, tak mas zazity set chovani pro zimu. Pravdepodobne si toho uz ani nejsi vedom. Stejne to tak ma populace, ktera vyrusta v oblastech, kde je opak - vysoka teplota.

    problem maji jen cizinci, kteri ty navyky nemaji.

    povidani o migraci mi prijde nesmyslne, protoze ty teploty 45+ jsou normalem od historie. Vysoka teplota je proste ekvivalentem nizke teploty.... neni to nic noveho, ani nic sokujiciho.....
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    NJAL: When experts in the fields covered by Lomborg check his texts, they most often find that the evidence has been distorted. Danish biologist Kåre Fog has systematically over many years checked Lomborg´s texts against his sources and references and against other scientific literature. His conclusion is that Lomborg´s texts are systematically manipulated to fit a certain agenda.
    The web site Lomborg-errors has been established to document this claim. It gathers and publishes errors found in Bjørn Lomborg´s books, especially "The Skeptical Environmentalist" (2001) and Cool it! (2007).
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    NJAL: bohuzel lomborg ma na svem konte velmi rozsahly seznam chyb, kteryho jako odbornika uplne diskreditovaly. viz napriklad

    Lomborg Errors
    http://www.lomborg-errors.dk/
    NJAL
    NJAL --- ---
    Na muj vkus docela pricetne. :-)

    Bjorn Lomborg Declares “False Alarm” on Climate Hysteria
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxWYglbtqnQ

    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    hele koukam, ze prvni dochovane zminky o sklenikovem efektu pry pochazi od prace Eunice Footeove, vedkyne, vynalezkyne a bojovnice za zenska prava .]

    In 1859, Tyndall showed that gases including carbon dioxide and water vapour can absorb heat. His heat source was not the Sun, but radiation from a copper cube containing boiling water. In modern terms, this was infrared radiation – just like that emanating from the Earth’s surface.
    Previous work had shown that the Earth’s temperature was higher than expected, which was put down to the atmosphere acting as an insulator. But no-one knew the explanation for what we now call the greenhouse effect – gases in the atmosphere trapping heat.
    What Tyndall did was to discover and explain this mechanism. He wrote: “Thus the atmosphere admits of the entrance of the solar heat; but checks its exit, and the result is a tendency to accumulate heat at the surface of the planet.”
    He realised that any change in the amount of water vapour or carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could change the climate. His work therefore set a foundation for our understanding of climate change and meteorology.
    Tyndall was not, however, the first to make the climate link. That prize goes to the American Eunice Foote, who showed in 1856 using sunlight that carbon dioxide could absorb heat. She suggested that an increase in carbon dioxide would result in a warmer planet.


    John Tyndall: the forgotten co-founder of climate science
    https://theconversation.com/john-tyndall-the-forgotten-co-founder-of-climate-science-143499

    Eunice Newton Foote - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_Newton_Foote
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    aneb "worst case scenario is still our bestchoice"

    But a new study published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences argues that the high-end projection for greenhouse gas concentrations is still the most realistic for planning purposes through at least 2050, because it comes closest to capturing the effects "of both historical emissions and anticipated outcomes of current global climate policies, tracking within 1 percent of actual emissions."
    The scenarios, called Representative Concentration Pathways (RCPs), roughly show how much warmer the world will be by 2100, depending on how much more fossil fuel is burned, and how the climate responds. The best-case scenario (RCP 2.6) is the basis for the Paris climate agreement and would lead to warming of about 3.2 degrees Fahrenheit (1.8 Celsius) by 2100. In that scenario, about 10 percent of the world's coral reefs could survive, and 20 percent of Alpine glaciers would remain.
    The worst-case pathway (RCP 8.5) would result in warming of more than 8 degrees Fahrenheit (4.3 Celsius) by 2100, probably killing nearly all the world's reefs and definitely pushing vast areas of polar ice sheets to melt, raising sea level by as much as 3 feet by 2100.


    RCP8.5 tracks cumulative CO2 emissions | PNAS
    https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/30/2007117117
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Satelitní snímky agentury NASA ukázaly, že roztály ledové čepice na dvou horách na severovýchodě Kanady. Přesně tento vývoj předpověděly modely klimatologů z roku 2017: ty tvrdily, že led a sníh odtají do pěti let.

    V Kanadě odtály ledové čepice staré tisíce let. Přesně to předvídaly klimatologické modely — ČT24 — Česká televize
    https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/...ove-cepice-stare-tisice-let-presne-predvidaly-klimatologicke-modely
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    kinda related / plastic plants of the universe

    Research: Crop plants are taking up microplastics
    https://phys.org/news/2020-07-crop-microplastics.html

    (CAS) recently found that microplastics are indeed contaminating edible plants, including vegetables we eat. The study was published in Nature Sustainability on July 13.

    ...

    Despite the prevalence of MPs throughout the environment, the matter of MP uptake by crop plants has not received much attention.

    For decades, scientists believed that plastic particles were simply too large to pass through the physical barriers of intact plant tissue. But this new study disproves this assumption.

    "Cracks at the emerging sites of new lateral roots of lettuce and wheat crops can take in MPs from the surrounding soil and water. Those MPs can then be transferred from the roots up to the edible parts of the crop," said Prof. Luo.

    ...

    at the lateral root emergence sites there are small cracks, and then the particles go through those cracks and enter the xylem vessels. Thus it is even possible that particles larger than the ones we studied might also be taken up by plants," said Dr. Li Lianzhen, first author of the study.

    ...

    If MPs are getting into our crop plants, they are also getting into our meat and dairy. This raises obvious concerns about growing crops on fields contaminated with wastewater treatment discharge or sewage sludge, a process that could introduce MPs into the food chain. It also raises the key question of how MPs affect human health, a question for which there is as yet no clear answer.
    LINKOS
    LINKOS --- ---
    LINKOS: je to tedy za cyklus, výroba a provoz
    LINKOS
    LINKOS --- ---
    SHEFIK: úspora emisí je zde, u nás nějakých 63% při současném energetickém mixu. https://fdrive.cz/clanky/dalsi-studie-potvrzuje-ze-elektromobily-jsou-vyrazne-cistsi-5315
    Jinak hodně emisí na akumulátor bude i protěžba lithia a ta by se měla postupně snižovat recyklaci akumulátorů, plus další emise budem šetřit změnou energetického mixu, ale v tom nejsem úplně optimista když vidím co tlačí vláda a průmysl.
    Konec fosilních paliv v Čechách je možná dál než to vypadá.
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    LINKOS: souhlasim, mluvis o efektivite vyuziti energie a tam je to jasny, ohledne provozu tam sou ale i dalsi duvody, napr. ze elektricky auto ma od dva rady mene fyzickych dilu - tedy vse okolo, jako poruchovost, transport (vcetne transportu auta do servisu), vyroba dilu v ruznych lokalitach a jejich doprava....

    u vyroby EV je to az o 60% vyssi produkce CO2, a to hlavne kvuli baterce. takze jak rikas, cim dyl EV (baterie) vydrzi jezdit, tim lip pro klima.

    tady ale hrajou obrovskou roli technologie a jejich vyvoj. EV je ted hype a bude trvat nejakej cas, nez ty technologie zmaturuji a standardizuji se/zefektivni se masova vyroba. uz za 5 let bude EV uplne jiny. uz ted Tesla odstranuje "nejspinavejsi" cobalt z baterii a dosahla million mile zivotaschopnosti..

    konec fosilnich paliv uz je za rohem :) a kdyz nekdo presedla na kolo, tim lip, usetri se jeste na silnicich

    Are Electric Vehicles Really Better For The Environment?
    https://www.forbes.com/...or/2019/05/20/are-electric-vehicles-really-better-for-the-environment/amp/

    Tesla’s readying a ‘million mile’ battery that could greatly lower the cost of EVs - The Verge
    https://www.theverge.com/...sla-million-mile-battery-catl-china-kilowatt-hour-cost-range-improvement

    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    Trápí vás uhlíková stopa vašeho talíře? Neřešte, odkud je vaše jídlo, ale co jíte | Finmag.cz
    https://finmag.penize.cz/...vas-uhlikova-stopa-vaseho-talire-nereste-odkud-je-vase-jidlo-ale-co-jite

    pred casem jsme myslim meli v originale, nyni preklad od Finmagu
    LINKOS
    LINKOS --- ---
    SHEFIK: nj, ale i to elekteoauto dobíjené uhlím má stále nižší provozní uhlikovou stopu, protože 2/3 energie v motoru nevyplitvas na topení. Jinak oze tomu samozřejmě dávají jiný rozměr. Problém ale je náročnost na výrobu, ta je o něco vyšší než u klasického spalováku, ale ne zas o tolik. Tady pak narážíme na to jak dlouho člověk auto provozuje, protože pokud budeš každý 3,4 roky kupovat nové tak tam je zase problém s náročnosti výroby u všech.
    Na druhou stranu u nás je v průměru 14 lety vozový park, takže i kdyby se elektromobily rozmohli, bude trvat dalších cca 14 let než nám je naprodavaji Němci jako ojetiny.
    V tomhle ohledu by měli mnohem větší význam elektokola, které se teď stávají populární na dojíždění do práce.
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    SHEFIK: kdyz jsem si delal resersi naposledy, tak tenhle typ rasy koupit nejde, my treba dokrmujem dobytek rasou kombu protoze je to dobrej sirokospektralni zdroj mikronutrientu, ale tenhle efekt asi ma nejakej jinej druh ras. nicmene je tu videt, ze v obou pripadech jde o management - jednak v otazce regenerace ekosystemu, tj. zda a jaci bylozravci jsou potrebni a nutni pro regeneraci suchozemskejch ekosystemu, a jednak jde (zde skrz tu specifickou rasu) o management mikrobialniho spolecenstvi toho bachoru.
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    SHEFIK: at neplacam slamu :) byl to seaweed..

    https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/...carbon-farming-reducing-methane-emissions-cattle-using-feed-additives

    In Australia, direct livestock emissions account for about 70% of greenhouse gas emissions by the agricultural sector and 11% of total national greenhouse gas emissions. This makes Australia’s livestock the third largest source of greenhouse gas emissions after the energy and transport sectors. Livestock are the dominant source of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O), accounting for 56% and 73%, respectively, of Australia’s emissions.

    ...

    Feeding one type of seaweed at 3% of the diet has resulted in up to 80% reduction in methane emissions from cattle.
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    YMLADRIS: jeste jsem to necet, ale pripomina mi to diskuzi s elektroautama - kdyz mas elektrinu z uhli, jak na vyrobu, tak provoz elektroauta, tak je jeho ekologictnost oproti dieselu diskutabilni. jakmile mas input cistsi (renewable/solar atd.), jses az na 30% emisi... vzdy jde o pouzitou techninku (metodicky postup) nebo technologii...

    vic bych ale u dobytka koukal na metan - jenze ale i tam bude tam vic faktoru, nedavno sem nekde cetl ze nejaky specialni traviny u hoveziho redukujou tvorbu metanu v zazivacim ustroji o desitky procent. asi je nebudeme sejt na vsech pastvach po svete, ale je to dobrej highlight na zamysleni, ze lide se casto zameruji na konec problemu (dobytek/jist maso), ne na problem samotny (pricina tvorby metanu/co2)
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    nejaky dohnal za hovezi, nedokazu posoudit jak moc je to v poradku

    Uhlíkovou stopu masa nepočítáme dobře. Ve skutečnosti je menší, než se udává - Ekolist.cz
    https://ekolist.cz/...ody/uhlikovou-stopu-masa-nepocitame-dobre.ve-skutecnosti-je-mensi-nez-se-udava

    To vše dohromady kilogramovou flákotou skutečně deklasuje. Jenže co když budete krávy pást na již dávno zřízené pastvině někde v podhůří moravských hor a nemuseli jste kvůli tomu klučit jihoamerický prales? Doberete se toho, že kilo hovězího masa váží rázem „jen“ 6 kilogramů emisního CO2. Což je oproti původní stovce dost zásadní rozdíl.
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    supr

    New Study Confirms Extensive Gas Leaks in the North Sea −
    https://evobsession.com/new-study-confirms-extensive-gas-leaks-in-the-north-sea/amp/

    We have combined investigations at additional wells with extensive seismic data. The results clearly show that thousands of tons of methane are leaking from old drill holes on the North Sea floor every year,’ says Dr. Christoph Böttner, who is the main author of the study, which is part of his doctoral thesis at GEOMAR.

    ...

    The positions of the boreholes and the location and extent of the gas pockets indicate that this area of the North Sea alone has the potential to emit 900 to 3700 tonnes of methane every year

    ...

    In seawater, methane is usually consumed by microbes. This can lead to local seawater acidification. In the North Sea, about half of the boreholes are at such shallow water depths that part of the emitted methane can escape into the atmosphere. Methane is the second most important greenhouse gas after carbon dioxide.
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    Ranking 41 US States Decoupling Emissions & GDP Growth −
    https://evobsession.com/ranking-41-us-states-decoupling-emissions-gdp-growth/

    Between 2005 and 2017, 41 U.S. states and the District of Columbia reduced their energy-related carbon dioxide emissions while increasing real gross domestic product, debunking the myth that economic growth can only occur by compromising the health of the planet.

    ...

    A combination of technological, market and policy factors have allowed states to reduce their CO2 emissions. This includes a major shift from coal to natural gas in the power sector; the rapid deployment of wind and solar power in recent years; more stringent efficiency standards for vehicles, lighting and appliances; and the shift to a more service-based economy.
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