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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    YMLADRIS: nevedel jsem a je to zajmavy. ty umluvy postupne prichazeji, nedavno jsem daval ruzny linky.

    napr:
    BP 2050 - https://www.bp.com/...-and-insights/press-releases/bernard-looney-announces-new-ambition-for-bp.html
    Amazon 2040 - https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/

    mohl bych googlit dal, ale nemam cas :)

    TUHO: necetl priznam se, dneska nestiham. to ze kapitalsimus potrebuje nejdriv pujcit neni pravda, spousta businessu zacina s vlastnim kapitalem. jenze velky zvirata maj spocitany, ze kdyz si pujci a napumpujou startup za 5% od banky a vydelaji diky tomu do roka 15%, tak by byli hloupi, kdyby to neudelali. to ale neni v principu spatny, pokud ten dluh nepreroste vynosy a dela se rezerva na horsi casy. protoze to posiluje inovace a zvysuje kvalitu zivota vsech obyvatel, vcetne na ne napojenych dovozcu z jinych zemi. zjedunodusene nam tohle pomaha se dostat z praveku od doziti 25 let v prumeru na nasich 80+... ja mel ale spis na mysli ty soucasny financni injekce centralnich bank, to je vpodstate dotovani trhu, aby nemusel pracovat, a presto vsechno fungovalo, coz je principialni nesmysl a neni dlouho udrzitelnej

    TUHO: ta krize byla zpusobena ne kapitalismem, ale nestastnou moralkou lidi ve financnim sektoru (a jejich nedostatecnou regulaci). podvody se deji i mimo kapitalismus. ve strucnosti, banky poskytovaly hypoteky vsem, i rizikovym klientum, coz je ok, jenze oni to zabalili s dalsim balikem financnich produktu, rekli, ze riziko je maly a lifrovali do celyho sveta... ty lidi by zaslouzili dozivoti

    MRTVEJ: ale i pred poklesem emisi co2 se musi zacit neco dit ne? nebo se jeden den vsichni na zemi probudime a oni najednou sami od sebe zacnou klesat? nejde o nadeji, jen se snazim videt vychodiska misto slepejch ulicek...

    GOJATLA: ok a jak to po revoluci dosahnes?
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    SHEFIK: Opravdová demokracie, místo toho divadýlka, co se dnes za demokracii vydává.

    America Is Not a Democracy - The Atlantic
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/

    America does have a democracy problem. If we want to address the root causes of populism, we need to start by taking an honest accounting of the ways in which power has slipped out of the people’s hands, and think more honestly about the ways in which we can—and cannot—put the people back in control.

    It is true that to recover its citizens’ loyalty, our democracy needs to curb the power of unelected elites who seek only to pad their influence and line their pockets. But it is also true that to protect its citizens’ lives and promote their prosperity, our democracy needs institutions that are, by their nature, deeply elitist. This, to my mind, is the great dilemma that the United States—and other democracies around the world—will have to resolve if they wish to survive in the coming decades.
    MRTVEJ
    MRTVEJ --- ---
    tak ono je to uz celkem jedno posrany uz to je ted uz jen zalezi jak moc :o)
    no a ted si vem ze dalsich 30let bude delat setrvacnost :o)
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    MRTVEJ: milnim bude, kdyz dost rychle budou klesat :) ta rychlost podle mitigacnich krivek musi bejt dneska uz dost silena (tezko si vubec predstavit, ze mozna), protoze jsme prosrali minimalne tricet let ignorovanim problemu
    MRTVEJ
    MRTVEJ --- ---
    SHEFIK: milnik bude az budou klesat emise co2 zatim se tak nedeje :o)
    ale jo mas pravdu lepsi je to videt nadejne lip se s tim zije :o)
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Following the crash of 2008, capitalism changed drastically. In their attempt to re-float the crashed financial system, central banks channelled rivers of cheap debt-money to the financial sector, in exchange for universal fiscal austerity that limited the middle and lower classes’ demand for goods and services. Unable to profit from austerity-hit consumers, corporations and financiers were hooked up to the central banks’ constant drip-feed of fictitious deb
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    SHEFIK: no a cetl si ten clanek?

    Under feudalism,

    production came first with the peasants working the land to plant and harvest crops.

    Distribution followed the harvest, as the sheriff collected the lord’s share. Part of this share was later monetised when the lord’s men sold it at some market.

    Debt only emerged at the very last stage of the cycle when the lord would lend his money to debtors, the King often amongst them.

    Capitalism reversed the order. Once labour and land had been commodified, debt was necessary before production even began. Landless capitalists had to borrow to lease workers, land and machines. Only then could production begin, yielding revenues whose residual claimant were the capitalists. Thus, debt powered capitalism’s early oeuvre. However, it took the second industrial revolution before capitalism could re-shape the world in its image
    YMLADRIS
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    SHEFIK: diky za dotaz. upnula jsem se na schellnhubera, má takový oči jak kdyby mluvil už z hrobu..

    čili že by velcí hráči přijali závazek 2050 net zero, EU minus 65 % do 2030, obecně 50 % do 2030 a ještě nějakou úmluvu že je priorita pomoct třetímu světu...

    (věděli jste že Nigérie v tomto století předstihne v počtu obyvatel činu takže bude druhá za Indii? nechápu)

    dotace na elektromobily atd to je na nic, je to "zelená politika" aby zelený volič mohl v klidu volit
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    YMLADRIS: nemyslim si, ze je to pravda. k posunu dochazi, transformace nikdy nebyva ze dne na den a predchazi ji vzdycky diskuze. emisni normy na auta v EU uz tu sou roky, elektromobilita je na vzestupu, renewables uz maji v leckterych statech letos vetsi produkci nez uhli, cina ma nejvetsi portfolio solaru na svete, do bateriovych technologii jsou ted smerovany nejvyssi investice kdy v historii, solar nikdy nebyl tak levnej a pristi rok maj prijit novy panely s vykonem az o 30% vyssim... asi bych moh pokracovat a dokladovat to zdrojema, coz tu prubezne delam, ale pokud to nechces videt, stejne to neuvidis :)

    ..ja tvoji depresi chapu, neni to dost rychle, ale to je fakt, ktery je potreba prijmout

    na zaver, co ty osobne bys brala za milnik, "ze uz se neco deje"?
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    SHEFIK: "další injekce budou mít pravidla pro investice do klimatu" .. to máš dobrý. přemýšlím kdy jsem přestala věřit že stávající struktury mocenské začnou fakt něco dělat, když průzkumy mínění ukazují, že veřejnost pochopila problém ... asi jak byl summit v NY. nestalo se nic. nevidím proč by mělo teď, nevidím ten novej prvek. hořící Kalifornie to není. ale tak přeju ti tu naději
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    TADEAS: je to tak, jenze je potreba vzit v uvahu, ze krom green dealu v evrope (a mozna par dalsich mensich ve svete) ty statni/dotacni penize na klima ani nikdy urceny nebyly, jsou urceny max na recovery z covidu (zatim), a proto se to cely takhle deformuje (zaroven chybi porad ten globalni klima regulacni ramec)

    kdyby varoufakis nechtel se svym GND vytvorit dalsi obrovskej byrokratickej aparat, kterej jednak spolkne velkou cast techto investicnich penez jen na jejich prerozdelovani a administrativu a jednak celej proces zpomali, tak bych mu i fandil

    ...a to emitovani se driv nebo pozdejc projevi. cim hloupejc je promrhame, tim nas to bude v budoucnu vic bolet, at uz inflaci, splaskavanim bublin, krachem firem, nezamestnanosti apod.

    ja osobne doufam, ze dalsi schvaleny financni injekce uz budou mit pravidla spojeny s investici do klimatu. to by mohlo hodne pomoct a takova investice se nikdy neztrati. bylo by to v obecne rovine navysovani kapitalu, pro budouci generace
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    SHEFIK: varoufakis prave rika, ze ty bailoutovy a levny penize prave nejsou pouzivany k odpovidajicim investicim, ale k dalsimu podporeni ty financializace, coz vede k temhle bizar fenomenum, kdy trzni/financnicka realita neodpovida tomu, co se deje celkove ve spolecnosti. tzn. neni to podle nej primarne o tom, ze je emitovany velky mnozstvi penez, ale o tom, ze nejdou do realne potrebnejch investic a transformace na bezemisni infrastrukturu.
    KEB
    KEB --- ---
    SHEFIK: to co vždycky, když revoluce začne žrát své děti.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    V posledních měsících vznikla řada pro Českou republiku relevantních studií předkládajících různé pohledy na možné dekarbonizační trajektorie.
    Ve spolupráci s Výborem pro záležitosti Evropské unie Senátu Parlamentu ČR se uskuteční expertní kulatý stůl shrnující klíčové výstupy existujících studií a stejně tak i metodologická východiska, což umožní srovnání různých přístupů v širší perspektivě. To vše s přihlédnutím k očekávanému zvýšení evropských i českých emisních cílů do roku 2030.
    ▶️ Úvodní slovo:
    Václav Hampl, předseda Výboru pro záležitosti EU Senátu ČR
    ▶️ S příspěvky vystoupí:
    Miroslav Lopour, Deloitte
    Lukáš Minařík, Ministerstvo životního prostředí
    Oldřich Sklenář, Fakta o klimatu
    Jáchym Srb, Asociace pro mezinárodní otázky/Association for International Affairs
    Milan Ščasný, Univerzita Karlova
    Kristina Zindulková, Asociace pro mezinárodní otázky/Association for International Affairs
    Akce bude streamována na Facebooku AMO. Zobrazit míň

    https://www.facebook.com/events/586403625370270/
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    The situation today in California isn’t yet quite as grim, although this week CalFire advised every citizen of the state — all 40 million of them — to be prepared to evacuate. Already, more than 100,000 already have. Over just the last seven days, 700,000 acres have burned in California — a number that would have been, in recent memory, a historically devastating year of fire. In just five days, more land has been burned than in all of 2019, and 500,000 of those acres are in and around the Bay Area. There, the Lightning Complex — in wildfire terminology, “complex” is when multiple blazes join forces — has alone burned 200,000 acres and is, at present, zero percent contained. The Complex could burn as many as a million acres, it’s been suggested—the state’s first “gigafire.” The lightning storms that set it off simultaneously ignited so many other wildfires the state authorities couldn’t keep track of all of them, just the 376 most significant ones. All told, more than ten thousand lightning strikes were recorded in a single day; the week saw 560 wildfires start. Big Basin Redwoods State Park has been burned through, prompting a conservation group to write, “We are devastated to report that Big Basin, as we have known it, loved it, and cherished it for generations, is gone.” These trees are between 800 and 1,500 years old. Some of them, older than Muhammad, had stood for a thousand years by the time Europeans first set foot in North America. The youngest of them are older than the Black Death, and precede the invention of the printing press by centuries. Reports yesterday had them “scorched but still standing.”

    Climate Change Has Led To Extreme Wildfires In California
    https://nymag.com/...ligencer/2020/08/climate-change-has-led-to-extreme-wildfires-in-california.html
    SHEFIK
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    TUHO: to co se ted deje na trzich je fakt zvlastni a jedinecny. ale je to zpusobeny uvolnovanim penez a drzenim urokovych mer na minimu, aby lide nesetrili, utraceli a nezadreli se kola ekonomiky. u koronaviru je specificka situace, ze to nezasahlo vsechny rovnomerne, ale jen urcite casti obyvatelstva dle povolani. takze nekdo stale ma penize na pumpovani do trhu a posiluje tak rust akcii (+ novej fenomen Robinhood - parcialni akcie ihned z mobilu pro kohokoliv) a pak jsou na druhy strane ty co praci ztratili a pobiraj zatim davky. nuzky se dost rozeviraj :(

    obava je, aby neprisla podobna velka deprese, jako v usa, ktera na desetileti zpusobila snizeni kvality zivota vsech, nebo financni krize z 2007. otazkou je zda a jak dlouho je soucasnej stav udrzitelny. imho trhy padnou, jakmile pridou vysledky za Q3, nejpozdejc za Q4 a srovnaj se s realnou ekonomikou.

    podobna hospodarska krize by totiz neprospela ani lidstvu, ani klimatu, protoze by chybely penize jakykoliv investice a kazdej by se staral jen o svuj holej zadek a aktualni preziti

    Velká hospodářská krize – Wikipedie
    https://cs.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velk%C3%A1_hospod%C3%A1%C5%99sk%C3%A1_krize

    nema to ale nic moc spolecneho se zaklady kapitalismu. ten problem tkvi v ziti na dluh a to se delo i za komunismu
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Two tropical systems expected to reach the Gulf of Mexico by early next week could simultaneously become hurricanes in an unprecedented event.
    Meteorologists say residents from Texas to Florida need to prepare for Tropical Storm Laura and Tropical Depression Fourteen, as they could impact the region in the coming days.
    "We could be looking at two landfalls in a matter of just a day or two of each other at the beginning to middle part of next week, which is really unprecedented when you are talking about potentially two hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico," said CNN Meteorologist Jennifer Gray.
    The storms haven't yet entered the Gulf of Mexico but could intensify rapidly when they do. As of Friday evening, Gray says, there's still a lot of uncertainty.


    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/21/weather/atlantic-tropical-development-forecast-friday/index.html
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Two days ago, something extraordinary happened. Something that has never happened before in the history of capitalism. In Britain, the news came out that the economy had suffered its greatest slump ever – more than 22% down during the first 7 months of 2020. Remarkably, on the same day, the London Stock Exchange, the FTSE100 index, rose by more than 2%. On the same day, during a time America has ground to a halt and is beginning to look like not just as an economy in deep trouble but also, ominously, as a failed state, Wall Street’s SP500 index hit an all-time record.

    ...

    The decoupling of the financial markets from the real economy, that was the trigger for this talk, is a sure sign that something we may defensibly label postcapitalism is already underway.
    My difference with fellow lefties is that I do not believe there is any guarantee that what follows capitalism – let’s call it, for want of a better term, postcapitalism – will be better. It may well be utterly dystopic, judging by present phenomena. In the short term, to avoid the worst, the minimum necessary change that we need is an International Green New Deal that, beginning with a massive restructuring of public and private debts, uses public financial tools to press the oodles of existing liquidity (e.g. funds driving up money markets) into public service (e.g. a green energy revolution).

    The problem we face is not merely that our oligarchic regimes will fight tooth and nail against any such program. An even harder-to-crack problem is that an International Green New Deal, of the sort alluded to above, may be a necessary condition but is, most certainly, not a sufficient condition to create a future for humanity worth striving for. Can we imagine what may prove sufficient? My controversial parting shot is that, for postcapitalism to be both genuine and humanist, we need to deny private banks their raison d’être, and to terminate, with one move, two markets: the market for labour and the share market.
    Fully aware of how difficult it is to imagine a technologically advanced economy lacking share and labour markets, I wrote my forthcoming book Another Now – in which I lay out the argument that terminating labour and share markets, along with the type of commercial banking taken for granted today, is a prerequisite for a postcapitalist society with functioning markets, authentic democracy and personal liberty.

    https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/...ed-up-the-passage-to-postcapitalism-lannan-institute-virtual-talk/
    TUHO
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