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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day


    "Given the sheer enormity of climate change, it’s okay to be depressed, to grieve. But please, don’t stay there too long. Join me in pure, unadulterated, righteous anger."


    "I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. Once you start to act, the hope is everywhere."

    "Our best scientists tell us insistently that a calamity is unfolding, that the life-support systems of the Earth are being damaged in ways that threaten our survival. Yet in the face of these facts we carry on as usual."

    “We’ve got to stop burning fossil fuels. So many aspects of life depend on fossil fuels, except for music and love and education and happiness. These things, which hardly use fossil fuels, are what we must focus on.”

    A nejde o to, že na to nemáme dostatečné technologie, ty by na řešení použít šly, ale chybí nám vůle a představivost je využít. Zůstáváme při zemi, přemýšlíme až moc rezervovaně. Technologický pokrok to sám o sobě nevyřeší. Problém jsme my, ne technologické nástroje.

    Rostouci hladiny oceanu, zmena atmosferickeho proudeni, zmeny v distribuci srazek a sucha. Zmeny karbonoveho, fosforoveho a dusikoveho cyklu, okyselovani oceanu. Jake jsou bezpecnostni rizika a jake potencialni klady dramatickych zmen fungovani zemskeho systemu?
    Ale take jak funguji masove dezinformacni kampane ropneho prumyslu a boj o verejne mineni na prahu noveho klimatickeho rezimu post-holocenu.
    rozbalit záhlaví
    DZODZO
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    XCHAOS: za mna osobne najtragickejsi dosledok tohoto zaplavovania bude, ze az bude pod vodou Florida, tak uz nebudu vznikat nove "Florida man..." clanky a meme

    SHEFIK: k tomu plytvaniu som v nejakej diskusii cital (mozno aj tu, ale alzheimer...), ze vieme vyprodukovat 2,4-krat viac potravin nez ludstvo potrebuje a problemom je logistika, to by ale znamenalo, ze by sme mozno nemuseli tak tlacit na pilu s tym mechanizovanym polnohospodarstvom, keby sa to spoji s tym, ze sa bude menej plytvat jedlom, tak budu stacit mensie plochy na pestovanie, ktore mozu byt rozdelene pasmi zelene co poskytnu utocisko zvieratam a hmyzu a budu mat pozitivny vplyv na biodiverzitu
    SHEFIK
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    TADEAS: budoucnost neni vepsana v kameni, asi tak ve strucnosti.

    Ze ty scenare nechces videt, neznamena, ze nemohou probehnout. A i kdyby takove modelace neexistovaly, neznamena to, ze soucasne modelace jsou naprosto spravne. Kazdy model je zalozeny na predpokladech a predpoklady si muzeme kdykoliv vycucat z prstu, misinterpretovat ve studiich, nebo se muzou zmenit novymi poznatky, ci technologiemi. Modelovat budoucnost lidstva ve fazich 'chaosu', kdy se meni velke mnozstvi dosud predpokladu, ktere se v casovych radach pro existujici modely pouzivaji, je prakticky nemozne.

    Kdyz mi vyjmenujes kazdou jednotlivou vec, kazdy jednotlivy predpoklad, muzu ti na to rict 1...n mitigacnich akci.

    Cimz nerozporuju, ze lidstvo nebude v nejake kriticke klimaticke fazi redukovane (pravdepodobne jen docasne, nic mimoradneho v historii lidstva), jen rozporuju tvuj statement, ktery prijimas jako nevyvratitelny fakt, ne jako hypotezu s urcitou pravdepodobnosti.

    Ad vnitrni dynamika - asi se nemusime bavit o lidech, ale obecne o zivych organismech. Dokud jsou zdroje, organismus se mnozi, dokud nedosahne vycerpani zdroju. Lide se lisi v tom, ze jednak jsou co se tyka zdroju a jejich substitutu velmi flexibilni a jednak dosahli nejakeho globalni kolektivni vedomi, kde jednotlivec nutne nemusi delat ani si uvedomovat vse nutne pro preziti a presto ho kolektiv udrzi a udrzuje pri zivote.

    Uz napr. z diskuze, ze plytvame 30% globalne potravin to znamena, ze mame 30% rezervu pro uspory.

    Btw jsi mi jeste neodpovedel na predchozi prispevek, zajmal by me tvuj nazor TADEAS:
    JIMIQ
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    Prednaska o demografii
    Declining Global Population and Its Consequences with Dr. Darrell Bricker
    https://youtu.be/hNqCRvDbCVI
    JIMIQ
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    TADEAS: myslim ze minusy jsou za to ze to prohlaseni je na urovni “nebe je modre a kdo tvrdi ze je zelene tak se plete”

    Populace bude behem jedne generace uz klesat aniz bychom cokoliv nuseli delat. Jde o tzv neproblem :)
    TADEAS
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    One Last Climate Warning in New IPCC Report: ‘Now or Never’ - Inside Climate News
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/05042022/ipcc-report-climate-change/

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    TADEAS
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    Methane in Earth’s atmosphere rose by record amount last year, US government data shows | Climate crisis | The Guardian
    https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/08/methane-earth-atmosphere-record-high-usa-government-data
    TADEAS
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    TADEAS: ad "na stole nejsou scenare bez redukce populace. jednak k tomu vede vnitrni dynamika civilizace a jednak to omezi zdestruovana planetarni imfrastruktura (klima, ekosystemy)"

    muzete mi rict, co je na tom k minusovani?

    muzete mi ukazat, ktery modely, ktery jste si nevycucali z prstu, predpokladaj dalsi rust populace v 21. stoleti, tj. ktere nezahrnuji celkove snizovani populace? muzete mi ukazat modely, kde civilizace neni omezovana klimatickou destabilizaci?

    lol, snete dal
    TADEAS
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    Scientist Rebellion
    https://twitter.com/ScientistRebel1/status/1511878550584016898?s=19

    Over 1,000 scientists in over 25 countries worldwide took disruptive, non-violent actions and engaged in civil disobedience targeting governmental, scientific and corporate institutions to highlight the urgency and injustice of the climate and ecological crisis.

    In Madrid, Spain, 53 of the roughly 100 scientists were arrested after throwing fake blood on the facade of the National Congress in Spain.

    In Copenhagen, Denmark, the street in front of the Climate Ministry was blocked by 40 people, half of them scientists, holding posters of scientific papers and reading the IPCC report.

    In The Hague, Netherlands, over 50 scientists took part in a march giving speeches, calling for emergency action. Scientists blocked an entrance to the Ministry of Economic Affairs and Climate Policy and read from the IPCC report; 7 were arrested.

    In Berlin, 14 Scientists chained and glued themselves to the street blocking the Kronprinzenbrücke bridge for 4 hours in the centre of Berlin.

    In Bern, Switzerland, 18 Scientists marched to the capital Bern to paste parts of the IPCC report and other climate science on the walls of the Federal Palace, and were stopped immediately by the police. The scientific community cannot let science be ignored anymore!

    In Italy, the premises of @eni were occupied for 10 hours, with over 10 scientists locked-on. The activists demanded a public meeting with ENI CEO on ENI decarbonisation strategy. At the end of the day, the meeting was denied. They left, but the campaign will carry on.

    In Quito, Ecuador, a group of young scientists demanded that the Ministry of Environment stop expanding oil exploitation.

    in Sierra Leone, an teach-in event with several stakeholders generated engagement and calls for climate action to policy makers.

    In Washington DC, USA, scientists chained themselves to the White House to demand action on the climate crisis from @POTUS and politicians.

    In Los Angeles, USA, scientists occupied the entrance of a Chase Bank. Cops shut down access to the building, with dozens deployed to arrest the scientists who locked themselves to the bank, including @climatehuman.

    This disproportionate show of force is a disgusting response to scientists fighting for a livable future. But from LA to Madrid, governments and the cops that serve them continue to arrest protestors instead of making the changes we need to survive.
    TADEAS
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    “We would never consider this level of risk in any other walk of life, yet we seem prepared to take this risk with our planet.”

    Johann Rockström,
    Potsdam Institut für Klimafolgenforschung (PIK)
    TADEAS
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    Scientist Rebellion
    https://twitter.com/ScientistRebel1/status/1511986638200745988?s=19

    Scientists from across Germany blocked a bridge near the German Parliament, glueing and locking on in an act of civil resistance, calling out political mismanagement, lies and a business-as-usual mindset from Government figures which is leading us into a climate hell. @euronews
    TADEAS
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    This morning I submitted to President Biden a letter from >275 U.S. scientists in conjunction with @foodandwater calling on @POTUS to follow the science and STOP #fossilfuels. Lead signatories: @climatehuman @mzjacobson @howarth_cornell @MichaelEMann


    https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/scientist-letter.pdf


    20220409-075244
    PER2
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    lets goo
    Sunspot Activity on The Sun Is Seriously Exceeding Official Predictions

    TADEAS
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    zeland

    Supreme Court Agrees To Hear Climate Case | Newsroom
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/sustainable-future/supreme-court-agrees-to-hear-climate-case?

    Overseas, two of the most prominent wins for climate action have been in the Netherlands, against Royal Dutch Shell, and non-government organisation Klimaatzaak’s win against the Belgian state.

    Across the Tasman, eight teens and a nun won their case over the expansion of a New South Wales coal mine in May 2021. But that decision was overturned last month, with three federal court justices saying the federal environment minister, Sussan Ley, doesn’t have a duty of care to protect young people from the climate crisis.

    A date for the New Zealand Supreme Court hearing is yet to be set.

    “I’m pleased that for the first time the courts are considering the enormity of the climate crisis,” says Smith, who is a customary owner of coastal land at Mahinepua, near Kaeo. “And pleased that the highest court in the country is now going to hear what’s indisputably the most serious issue currently facing our nation and indeed humanity.”

    Smith, who co-chairs the climate portfolio within the Iwi Chairs Forum, is interested in how the court will rule. “Are they going to let the Government and polluters continue to enable this global crisis?” he asks.
    TADEAS
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    XCHAOS: ja nemluvim o tom, co my udelame s tim (protoze zatim nemame sebekontrolu na tehle urovni systemu, tj. nemame zde agency), mluvim o tom, co nase neregulovana aktivita a jeji dusledky udela s nama. my nezrusime civilizaci (zamerne), zrusime ji nezamerne :)) (jako dusledek absence seberegulace na systemove rovine)
    XCHAOS
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    TADEAS: no to nepochybně, ale zastavíš to čistě jen nějakým zrušením civilizace ze dne na den?

    jedním z řešením by mohlo být rozsáhle znovuzalesnování, včetně tropických obastí. to bez cilvilizace nezařídíš: naopak, v případě úpadku civilizace ta upadající populace použije další dřevo z lesů jako palivo a dojde spíš k odlesnění...
    TADEAS
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    TADEAS:

    #dontlookup

    Peter Kalmus
    https://twitter.com/ClimateHuman/status/1512308707844972552?s=19

    I took a vacation day yesterday for the action, but I also took one today because I expected to get a few interviews. Not one. Not a single one.
    TADEAS
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    jak rika ymladris, po tom co se ukazalo na situaci covidu - nelze verit adekvatni reakci


    Paul Maidowski
    https://twitter.com/_ppmv/status/1512332149143261184?s=19

    The IPCC report is being ignored harder than in 1990. A NASA climate scientist is arrested by 100 riot police alongside hundreds of scientists worldwide, but doesn't get a single call from journalists. Reality stranger than fiction. Thanks @xr_cambridge @ScientistRebel1 @Lacertko
    TADEAS
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    Dozens Arrested as Scientists Worldwide Mobilize to Demand 'Climate Revolution'
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/07/dozens-arrested-scientists-worldwide-mobilize-demand-climate-revolution

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    TADEAS
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    XCHAOS: extremy jsou nanic, myslis treba otepleni o 2.5, jj, nahovno, celkem nas to bude omezovat
    XCHAOS
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    OMNIHASH: něco mezi... v rozvinutých zemích stejně ženy v průměru odmítají mít tolik dětí, aby se populace držela třebas jen konstatní, natož aby rostla. (paradoxně ale v některých zemích, které tenhle aspekt modernity děsí, je to ještě horší - třeba v Rusku).

    Takže ono to nemusí být nějaké bolestivé vymření 10% populace (když lidi nebudou blbý). Spíš jde o to, že některé lifestlylové atributy, které se vnímají jako strašný znak modernity a vyspělosti, ve skutečnosti na nevědomé úrovnii vysílají signál "není tady už dost místa, nemnožte se" (příklad: už jen to, že většina pozemků ve městech je zastavěných a oplocených. může na nevědomé úrovni tenhle signál vysílat... vysvětlovalo by to, proč lidi z města zase prchají a snaží se o takovéto předměstské bydlení s vlastním kusem teritoria...)

    Samozřejmě exstují i scénáře s bolestivými kolapsy. A (čistě teoreticky) existují i scénáře s postupnou změnou životního stylu...
    Kliknutím sem můžete změnit nastavení reklam