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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    PETER_PAN: co uprchlici v ramci europy? V takom spanielsku, grecku ci na juhu talianska sa o par rokov tiez nebude dat vacsinu roka existovat
    GIOMIKY
    GIOMIKY --- ---
    Petŕìn je v rekonstrukci.

    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    German government in crisis over EU ban on car combustion engines | Germany | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/23/german-government-in-crisis-over-eu-ban-on-car-combustion-engines
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    TUHO: Jo. Samozrejmne muj priklad s Australii je trochu pritazeny za vlasy a na Evropu nelze zcela aplikovat. Australie totiz narozdil od Evropy neresila prakticky nikdy uprchliky.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Jinak CR se diky Fialovi zacala podilet na prispivani do klimatickeho fondu. No hura. Castkou 1 milionu dolaru rocne! Je to teda lepsi nez nic, ale asi si sam dokazes predstavit, jak moc se na reseni problemu podilime :)

    Česko napravuje ostudu. Premiér Fiala na konferenci COP 27 oznámil příspěvek do Zeleného klimatického fondu - Greenpeace Česká republika
    https://www.greenpeace.org/czech/tiskova-zprava/17867/cesko-napravuje-ostudu-premier-fiala-na-konferenci-cop-27-oznamil-prispevek-do-zeleneho-klimatickeho-fondu/

    PETER_PAN: To jsem rad, trochu mi to tak pripadalo. Ale debaty na netu klamou.
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    TUHO: Nic takoveho nepisu a ani si nemyslim.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    PETER_PAN: No me tvoje argumentace trochu pripada jako, ze zrusime humanitarni organizace a investujeme do kulometu, problem solved.
    Plus je tady velmi neprijemna pravda, ze na Afriku dopada zmena klimatu dost uz ted a bude to horsi. Zaroven je neprijemna pravda, ze se na vzniku problemu vubec nepodilela. A taky je neprijemna pravda, ze prislibeny reparace se k ni nedostavej. Takze na teoreticky urovni ano, je super napad "pomahat primarne v lokalitach". Ale delame to? Ja teda nemam ten pocit. Plus pochybuju, ze v rade pripadu je to vubec mozny (bezpecnostni duvody). Spis mi to prijde jako jednoduchej argument, jak se zbavit problemu, kterej jsme vytvorili a delat, ze za nej muze nekdo jinej.

    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    UN holds conference on global water scarcity | DW News
    https://youtu.be/ywxBv1R6OSg
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    Ale ja jsem v zasade pro-migracni clovek. Krize, valky, problemy muzou vzniknout kdykoliv a kdekoliv. Tem lidem se ma primarne pomahat v tech lokalitach, ale jsou-li to uprchlici at uz valcni nebo klimaticti v mem svete by meli sanci.

    Jenze tam musi byt funkcni system. Tzn. Detence, registrace, plneni pravidel pro pridelenou lokalitu, integracni plan na nekolik let a hlavne kulturni probace pro lidi z tech nejhorsich mist. A samozrejmne vsechno to co ma zajistit toho aby vznikali nejaky kulturni agregaty, nejaky diaspory, uzavrene systemy kde neni vymahatelnost obecneho prava. Proste fyzicke, lokalni i kulturni ramce kde ty nejhorsi socialne patologicke jevy muzou dal nerusene vzkvetat namisto aby se vykorenili. To je cele. Ale to v soucasnem svete nejde. Ty nejhorsi sracky se adorujou. Afirmacni akce, kvoty, dotace na ty nejtoxictejsi veci ve spolecnosti.

    No nic, strcit hlavu do pisku a tvarit se ze problem neexistuje - tohle reseni klimaticke krize pomuze. Jak pise ID: MRAKY. Martin Rozumek je k tomu kompetentni asi jako Kretinsky k problematice uhelnych elektraren. On je soucast problemu, on je ten problem.
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    TUHO: V Africe jsou mista s reprodukcnim cislem pres 4. A jsou to oblasti kde z duvodu kulturni zaostalosti ty lokality ani dneska neuzivi populaci s cislem 2. Nejdriv zmenit tohle.
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    TUHO: Konkretne treba Lékaři bez hranic, ktery prokazatelne jeste kolem roku 2019 operovali u brehu Libye. Napriklad.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    PETER_PAN: Jo, ziju v paralelnim vesmiru. A stale si myslim, ze tvoje razitka nevyresej to, ze se dnes huste obydlene oblasti stavaji neobyvatelnyma. Pak se muzeme bavit, ktery regiony za to ma historickou odpovednost, ale to asi vsichni vime a ztracet cas tim nemusime.

    Kazdopadne o jakejch NGOs konkretne mluvis?
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    TUHO: Ty asi zijes v jinem vesmiru. Co ty NGOs co muzou legalne vozit migranty prakticky od brehu Afriky, nedodrzovani DUBLIN-3. Moznost se bez registrace, bez statutu uprchlika pohybovat po Evrope. To marketovani ze jsou tady dvere otevreny je duvod te krize na severu Afriky. Kdyby bylo jasne ze sem to nejde, cele ty miliony lidi by to ani nezkouseli.

    Jediny mozny a spravny pristup je to co dela Australie. Na vsech urovnich je feedback ze to nema cen zkouset. A ty cisla jsou diky tomu male. A Australie pak ma vojenske a humanitarni mise v tech inkriminovanych oblastech kde pomaha (zdravotnictvi, skolstvi), sleduje situaci a primarne demotivuje lidi k ceste do Australie. A to do takovych detailu ze tam treba na lokalnim trhu provozuje stanky s pranickama nebo vestbama kde ti "individualne" vyvesti ze k ceste pres more neni vhodna doba atd.
    Kompletne zmaknutej system ze lide z kulturne o nekolik trid horsich oblasti nechces, protoze predikujes co to udela za sracky za 15, 20, 30 let. A vysledek toho co je dneska v UK, Francii nebo Svedsku je absence takoveho uhlu pohledu.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Aneb Evropa ma radu dedictvi. Dedictvi demokracie, humanismu a lidskych prav, stejne jako dedictvi kolonialismu, rasismu a holocaustu. Samozrejme, muzeme si vybrat, kterym smerem budeme davat svoje razitka.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    PETER_PAN: Tohle je o uhlu pohledu, ja si teda nevsim, ze by nekdo marketoval Evropu jako s otevrenymi dvermi. Za posledni roky spis vidim slepenec paranoidniho magorince, ktery si ucurava z paniky nad migrantskou krizi. Kazdopadne i kdyby ano, tak skoncim tim razitkem taky to, ze v tropech a subtropech se nebude dat zit?
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    TUHO: viz. : [MRAKY @ EU, multikulturalismus a přistěhovalci (+UK na pozorovani z dalky :-)]

    Tohle je problem Evropy do te miry do jake pozitivne marketuje moznosti ze jsou dvere otevrene. Jednim razitkem tohle muze kdykoli skoncit.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Celosvětově jsou už dnes podle Rozumka počty klimatických uprchlíků alarmující. „Světová banka odhaduje do roku 2050 exodus až 216 milionů klimatických uprchlíků, jiné předpovědi očekávají v tomtéž horizontu dokonce až 1,2 miliardy lidí v pohybu,“ dodává Rozumek. Do Česka podle něj mohou před nesnesitelnými klimatickými podmínkami prchat až stovky tisíc lidí."

    V Česku mohou hledat útočiště statisíce klimatických uprchlíků. Nejsme připraveni, varuje Rozumek — ČT24 — Česká televize
    https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/veda/3573547-v-cesku-mohou-hledat-utociste-statisice-klimatickych-uprchliku-nejsme-pripraveni-varuje
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    THE MAGIC CARPET OF FUNGI, WITH RODGER SAVORY

    Hart: You've mentioned the importance of fungi. Fungi are often neglected and misunderstood in farming, ranching and ecological restoration. What special role do fungi play in the process of turning deserts into grasslands?

    Rodger: When I was in school, we had the plant kingdom and the animal kingdom, we didn't even know fungi existed.

    And when I was in college, we still had the plant and the animal kingdom. And now we at least admit that there's a plant, animal and fungi kingdom, but our knowledge base of it is extremely limited.

    Now, as for my excitement with the fungi kingdom … we all know fungi rot things. And we all know that to have a life cycle, you've got birth, growth, death and decay

    Decay is the fungi’s role.

    What we didn't realize was that birth is also the fungi’s role. So if the fungi are not sending out messages to plants to germinate and start growing, the birth doesn't even begin. So we can't have decay—and we can’t have birth—without fungi.

    Now, know that … but we don't know that. So if you buy legume seeds, as a crop farmer, it's “inoculated.” All that means is, we've put fungi with it. So we know we need fungi, but we don't connect the dots.

    I'm around 50 years old. I’ve learned to concentrate on the fungi. If we get the fungi right, other things fall into place. Where this was first demonstrated to me was one of the first biological carpets that I did really successfully. It really shook me as a researcher. It was in Zimbabwe. We put down the biological carpet and about two weeks later, the first rains came and it was just fascinating to watch, because the first thing that happened was the dung beetles buried all the dung.

    And then the second thing that happened was a carpet of different fungi germinated, and fruiting bodies came up.

    If I had to guess how many different species of fungi germinated on this one biological carpet, I would guess it was over 1,000 different species. There were little blue ones, little pink ones, yellow ones, big white ones and brown ones. It was just the sea of fungi.

    And then the fungi all shriveled and wilted. Ten days later it rained and turned into a “Chia Pet” of fresh, new forage, germinating and growing. And then six weeks later a village woman in the area started yelling and screaming and got all excited because a grass that they hadn't seen since they were children was suddenly visible and available.

    That was about 20 years ago. That was the first time I saw this distinct, an undeniable connection between fungi and the grasses starting to germinate. That's when I started to concentrate on fungi and pay attention.

    So fungi are not just involved in decay, but also birth and emergence of plants.

    "Turning Deserts Into Grasslands," with Rodger Savory
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=nf9O_Cs2MQ0&feature=youtu.be
    TADEAS
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    Blíží se doba bezmasá? Místo hovězího mají lidé jíst zeleninu, plánuje EU - Seznam Zprávy
    https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/ekonomika-blizi-se-doba-bezmasa-misto-hoveziho-maji-lide-jist-zeleninu-planuje-eu-228162

    „Díky přechodu ke stravě obsahující více rostlin a méně červeného a zpracovaného masa a více ovoce a zeleniny se sníží nejen rizika život ohrožujících onemocnění, ale také dopad potravinového systému na životní prostředí.“

    tis wronk
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    New climate paper calls for charging big US oil firms with homicide | Oil | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/22/big-oil-companies-homicide-harvard-environmental-law-review

    The paper is rooted in part in the growing body of evidence fossil fuel companies knew of the harm their products caused and misled the public about them.

    Attorneys general and cities have used that information to sue oil companies for financial damages caused by rising seas, wildfires and heat. But the new paper argues that oil companies’ climate research and continued fight to delay climate regulations amount to a “culpable mental state” that has inflicted harm on people, including death.

    “Once you start using those terms, you come to realize that’s criminal law,” said Donald Braman, a law professor at George Washington University and Arkush’s co-author. “Culpable mental state causing harm is criminal conduct, and if they kill anybody, that’s homicide.”

    Braman argued that pursuing homicide charges would have a greater impact on fossil fuel companies than the cases currently wending their way through court in part because the penalties would be steeper. Rather than paying a fine, homicide charges could open up an array of other outcomes that could materially alter how companies operate.



    Climate Homicide: Prosecuting Big Oil For Climate Deaths by David Arkush, Donald Braman :: SSRN
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4335779

    Prosecutors regularly bring homicide charges against individuals and corporations whose reckless or negligent acts or omissions cause unintentional deaths, as well as those whose misdemeanors or felonies cause unintentional deaths. Fossil fuel companies learned decades ago that what they produced, marketed, and sold would generate “globally catastrophic” climate change. Rather than alert the public and curtail their operations, they worked to deceive the public about these harms and to prevent regulation of their lethal conduct. They funded efforts to call sound science into doubt and to confuse their shareholders, consumers, and regulators. And they poured money into political campaigns to elect or install judges, legislators, and executive officials hostile to any litigation, regulation, or competition that might limit their profits.

    Today, the climate change that they forecast has already killed thousands of people in the United States, and it is expected to become increasingly lethal for the foreseeable future. Given the extreme lethality of the conduct and the awareness of the catastrophic risk on the part of fossil fuel companies, should they be charged with homicide? Could they be convicted?

    In answering these questions, this Article makes several contributions to our understanding of criminal law and the role it could play in combating crimes committed at a massive scale. It describes the doctrinal and social predicates of homicide prosecutions where corporate conduct endangers much or all of the public. It also identifies important advantages of homicide prosecutions relative to civil and regulatory remedies, and it details how and why prosecution for homicide may be the most effective legal remedy available in cases like this. Finally, it argues that, if our criminal legal system cannot focus more intently on climate crimes—and soon—we may leave future generations with significantly less for the law to protect.
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