no vypada, ze monbiot se radne nasral…

It might be ridiculous, but this is not a trivial issue. Allan’s claims have been massively amplified by Big Meat and other sectors: McDonalds, General Mills, JBS et al + Shell, Fox News etc have all used such claims to justify one of the most destructive industries on Earth.

Surfing this tide of bullshit, cattle ranches are even selling carbon credits! Like many other forms of offset, they are completely fraudulent. You might as well buy them from a coal mine. But plenty of businesses are purchasing them.

Loads of unsuspecting people have fallen for this greenwash – millions, for example, watched and believed Allan’s TED talk. It has helped justify an industry that has dispossessed more indigenous people and destroyed a greater expanse of wild ecosystems than any other.

Having wiped out people, wild predators, wild herbivores and entire ecosystems in grasslands across the world, the livestock grazing industry is now ripping down the forests of Brazil, Ecuador, Columbia, Mexico, Madagascar, Myanmar ... It’s an absolute tragedy.

RADIQAL: tady vlakno od monbiota s reflexi debaty…

https://twitter.com/georgemonbiot/status/1679723365752242176?s=46

TADEAS: V podstate to borec trefil, s prihlednutim k tomu, ze to je fanda AS. Ten zazitek z debaty ale byl silny. GM pripravenej a nastartovanej a nasranej, ze se oponent vyhyba konfrontaci. AS vlidnej a trpelivej - oxidace a desertifikace je problem. Nemužeš to nechat byt, a UK modely u nás v Zim(nebo kde to bydli) nefunguji, bo u nas prsi 4 mesice a pak nic; dung needed a hlavně rigorous holisticism a new&konsistent policy!

TUHO: Tak určiťé!
AS: vykonal jsem mnoho a chyboval jsem (náš
výzkum byl přímou příčinou vystřílení 40k slonů v africe. Pak migrace (z UK) a práce s 2000 US vědci na Tématech. Mám military background. Holistika je cool, vezme to ze všechnstran.
GM: ok, AS mě pozval na tuto debatu a vybral název a pokud má být teze obhájena, je potřeba potvrdit tyto hypotézy a doložit tato měření. AS, máš to? Nemáš to! Takže co?
AS: jo, věda je složitá. Když to nevygrazuješ, zoxiduje to. Mužeš to nechat být, vypálit to nebo spást. Tohle je policy otázka a to je jediná klíčová proměnná.
GM: (emotional) fajn, ale to nepotvrzuje nic!
AS: hele, o tomhle se hadat nebudem, ikdyž by krávy vypouštely 20x vic metahu, i kdyby všichni lidi přešli na veganství, stejně to potřebuješ grazovat, bo jinak ti to uhije, zdechne a máš poušť.
GM: ok, ale je dokázaný, že fotky, kterejma to ilustruješ, jsou fake. So gimme a break. Jo a monocellular bude super, ale pro bigAg bias a IP je to hot issue, tak snad nečetli tovarnu na lži a nechaj nám to jakože v commons.
Otazky z publika:
1) ja jsem zastupcem nejvetsi cattle operation v číně, když budeš chtít G, mužeš nadesignovat a provezt u nas vyzkum, zdali ty ruminanti opravdu ukladají NEBO sequestují nebo jak by to vlastne mohlo vypadat.
2) no, ja myslim, panove, ze se vlastne shodnete, jen kazdej mluvite o jiny casti systemu. Grazing jako prevence desertifikace je legit, ale to nam v UK asi nehrozi, rewilding v mirnym pasu prece jde i jinak.
JM: tohle neni sranda, potrebujem peer-rev data a šlapnout do toho!
AS: no dyť!

L4MA: prvně se musi dotěžit ekosystémy, pak zelenýn mozkům spadne čelist, protože nastoupí konečný argument: není co chránit, tak se bude vesele těžit. kdo dotěží poslední, ať potom zhasne

PER2: tenhle tejden jednaj o podminkach. jsem fakt napnutej jak to dopadne. asi dobre, jako vzdycky...

Canada calls for halt to deep-sea mining amid fears of ecological devastation | Deep-sea mining | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/12/canada-calls-for-halt-to-deep-sea-mining-amid-fears-of-ecological-devastation

TUHO: supr, diky za tip

PER2: ano, resi (tak neprekvapive je to pomerne zjevnej problem). ostatne tech korekci, ktery pro homogenizaci dat je treb delat je cela rada. dobre popsany v knize “a vast machine” od paula n. edwardse

TADEAS: Jo, tomu jsem se taky smal. "Pomohlo by vymreni lidstva!" .))

TUHO: real memes

How did a rural Cambridgeshire village switch en masse to renewable energy? Thanks to one fateful pizza night, 100 huge boreholes and heroic navigation of the planning system, they have trailblazed their own zero-carbon heat network

That eureka moment can strike at any time. For Emma Fletcher it came as she chatted over pizza with neighbour Mike Barker. Fletcher wanted to bring a green heating network to their village of Swaffham Prior where, with no access to mains gas, locals were lumbered with oil-fired heating. Barker, it transpired, had the sustainability chops to get them started.

Five and a half years later, their electric dreams have become reality. Fletcher and Barker have turned their quiet corner of Cambridgeshire into Britain’s first ‘heat pump village’, and in the process mapped the confounding maze of planning and legal red tape for like-minded souls to follow.

“Did it feel slow and painful?” Fletcher ponders. “Yes, it did. I don’t think at any stage we thought we’d get to the next one. But nobody’s coming to help rural communities – they need to stand up and start helping themselves.

Pumping hot: inside Britain’s first heat pump village - Positive News - Positive News
https://www.positive.news/environment/pumping-hot-inside-britains-first-heat-pump-village/

RADIQAL: TADEAS: Uz je to online. Ocekavam resersi! .))

Is livestock grazing essential to mitigating climate change?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhwEaCmQ2XE

LUDO: sell the planet and move