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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day
    RADIQAL
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    TADEAS: tak obviňovat GM z nepochopení potřebnosti a smysluplnosti policies je podle mého naivní. ten citát je ale trefnej, bo bylo dost zjevný, že každej jede po vlastní koleji a na naslouchání oponentovi se zvlášť nesoustředí. AS tlačil holistic grazing a její bohatý dopad na biodiversitu jako prevenci klimastrofy, JM pak hrotil humanistickej rozměr výkmu 10B lidu jednobuněčkama. Oba hráli anglickej styl debatního duelu a potud mi přišla ta vzájemná ignorace jako legit. Alan měl vtipnější chvilky hardwarového charakteru, když v palčivých otázkách z publika (čim je teda způsobena klimastrofa?) , neslyšel, bo má vybitý naslouchadlo a GM dostal tu zajimavou nabídku od čínskýho velkochovatele. Nad motivy vyzyvatele debaty - AS - je třeba se hlouběji zamyslet.
    TADEAS
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    Regenetarianism – A conscientious regenerative plate
    https://lachefnet.wordpress.com/
    TADEAS
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    Italian hospitals report sharp rise in emergency cases as Rome hits 41.8C | Italy | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/18/italian-hospitals-report-rise-in-heat-cases-as-rome-hits-41-point-8c
    TADEAS
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    ramdom evening read

    Global heatwaves pave the way for disaster capitalism | openDemocracy
    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/heatwave-climate-crisis-nhs-fossil-fuel-capitalism-hunger/

    Disastrous Disasters: A Polemic on Capitalism, Climate Change, and Humanitarianism
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780123964519000032

    Capitalizing on chaos: Climate change and disaster capitalism | Ephemeral Journal
    https://ephemerajournal.org/contribution/capitalizing-chaos-climate-change-and-disaster-capitalism
    TADEAS
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    RADIQAL:

    Savory vs Monbiot: The Wise Man & The Fool? | Praise the Ruminant
    https://praisetheruminant.com/ruminations/savory-vs-monbiot-the-wise-man-and-the-fool

    I don’t think Allan got through to him at all. George was so caught up in his carbon arguments to be able to see beyond what Savory was trying to show.

    Allan was trying to show that reductionist management is the main issue and root cause. This is why Allan mentioned government policies and how government policies were (and are) the root cause of desertification and loss of biodiversity.

    But George just doesn’t get it. He’s missing the broader picture. Monbiot is convinced that he’s arguing against Holistic Management as a “grazing system” and has based his arguments around that.

    The only problem is that he doesn’t understand what Holistic Management actually is. How the hell can you argue against something that you simply do not understand? I’ll tell you: by creating a lot of strawmen arguments and being so arrogant and ignorant that you miss the forest for the trees.
    TADEAS
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    RADIQAL:

    Allan Savory v George Monbiot debate | Is livestock grazing essential to mitigating climate change?
    https://youtu.be/-FihlOvsVkY


    tak savoryho spíš hejtěj ,)

    jestli už dědula není moc zastaralej reprezentovat svou favorite cause
    TADEAS
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    TUHO: když země, tak země

    HIDDEN HYDROGEN
    https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-hydrogen-earth-may-hold-vast-stores-renewable-carbon-free-fuel

    The Malian discovery was vivid evidence for what a small group of scientists, studying hints from seeps, mines, and abandoned wells, had been saying for years: Contrary to conventional wisdom, large stores of natural hydrogen may exist all over the world, like oil and gas—but not in the same places. These researchers say water-rock reactions deep within the Earth continuously generate hydrogen, which percolates up through the crust and sometimes accumulates in underground traps. There might be enough natural hydrogen to meet burgeoning global demand for thousands of years, according to a U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) model that was presented in October 2022 at a meeting of the Geological Society of America.


    2022 A PRELIMINARY MODEL OF GLOBAL SUBSURFACE NATURAL HYDROGEN RESOURCE POTENTIAL
    https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2022AM/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/380270

    Geologic hydrogen (H2) has recently gained interest as a potential primary energy resource. To guide decision-making, policy makers, resource managers, exploration companies, and investors will need information as to the extent of the potential resource. However, the uncertainties associated with the generation, migration, accumulation, and preservation of H2 in the subsurface make it impossible to precisely determine potential resource volumes at this time. Despite the uncertainties, the occurrence and behavior of H2 in the subsurface is not completely unknown. Additional inferences on the occurrence of H2 in the subsurface can be made by employing knowledge derived from studies of fluid migration, accumulation, and preservation related to other geologic resources (e.g., petroleum, geothermal energy, noble gases, etc.). These factors can be combined to provide some constraints on the possible magnitude of geologic H2 resources in the subsurface.

    ...

    Stochastic model results indicate a greater than 98% probability of geologic H2 production meeting at least 50% of the forecast green H2 production by the year 2100 and beyond, with long-term renewable H2 production potentially in the range of 100s of Mt per year. Moreover, the model indicates that the residence time of H2 in reservoirs and the annual flux of H2 to the atmosphere are the most influential factors affecting the resource potential, whereas variations in biotic and abiotic consumption of H2 have relatively little effect. These results strongly suggest that additional investigation of the resource potential of natural H2 is warranted. This model provides an initial framework for assessing global H2 resource potential and can be an important tool for guiding future research initiatives.
    DZODZO
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    tuma vs 30tka :)

    MENTÁLNĚ ZHROUCENÁ EKO HYSTERKA se na magistrále zakousla do mikrofonu. Kde jsou hranice protestů?⛔🪧
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYDsIy_Q9gw
    TADEAS
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    KAMAHL: a je to dostatečně rekordní?
    KAMAHL
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    Ah shit, here we go again

    XCHAOS
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    NYRLEM: "nositel Nobelovy ceny za rok 1973"... jo jo, to bude bystrý mladík :-)
    XCHAOS
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    NYRLEM: třeba je problém ten, že teplejší vodní pára bude mít vyšší tendenci zůstat v plynném skupenství, tedy průhledná pro viditelné světlo a neprůhledná pro IR, a bude mít menší tendenzi kondezovat do podoby reflektivních vodních kapek a tedy mraků?

    CO2 je samozřejmě jen špička ledovce, to je pravda. nebo spíš takový nepatrný prst, vychulující rovnovážný stav stále nepatrně jenom jedním směrem.... zatímco voda střídavě funguje jedním (skleníkový plyn) i druhým směrem (mraky)
    DZODZO
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    NYRLEM: moc ten cloud-based thermostat nefunguje, ked sa ocean ohrieva a koraly odumieraju
    TADEAS
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    SEJDA: tak ciste ve smyslu ze je to podvod elity a tedy ze ten jev ma jen tu subjektivni, socialni povahu.

    paradox je, ze on to tak nejak podvod nebo neuprimnost te elity opravdu je, ve smyslu ze bylo vedome jednano v neprospech velkeho mnozstvi lidi i nelidi, akorat opravdu ne timto zpusobem :)
    TADEAS
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    NYRLEM: a jaka je nase agency vuci mrakum? jakoze muzeme si nastavovat miru zastineni? samozrejme by to bylo fajn, jenze my kontrolujeme zatim jen nektere sklenikove plyny do nejake miry, tj. mame tam velkou miru agency (v jejich produkci) - potencialne to muzeme zastavovat a regulovat, mraky ne. ten navrh vyrabet mraky z morske vody nad poly, aby to zastavilo tani, tu je, ale nejspis je momentalne organizacne nerealizovatelny, takze kontrolu nad mraky nemame.
    NYRLEM
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    SEJDA: "Dr. Clauser has developed a climate model that adds a new significant dominant process to existing models. The process involves the visible light reflected by cumulus clouds that cover, on average, half of the Earth. Existing models greatly underestimate this cloud feedback, which provides a very powerful, dominant thermostatic control of the Earth’s temperature.

    As viewed in visible light from space by the Sun, bright white clouds variably cover from one-third to two-thirds of the Earth’s surface. These clouds, in turn, reflect about 90% of the sunlight incident on them back out into space. Sunlight that reaches the Earth’s surface in the cloudless area, two-thirds of which is covered by oceans, is absorbed and evaporates seawater, in turn, producing cumulus clouds. It produces clouds at an increasingly abundant rate when the cloud-cover fraction is too small and the temperature is too high and vice versa when the fraction is too large. The resulting cloud-cover-fraction’s feedback-controlled variability then provides a very powerful input-power thermostat that stabilizes the Earth-surface’s heat input and its temperature. Changes in the radiative heat transfer rate (known as radiative forcing) associated with changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide is nearly two orders of magnitude smaller than the effective stabilization of the input-power provided by the cloud-based thermostat. The role of carbon dioxide may thus be considered negligible by comparison. It should be noted that reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and National Academy of Sciences repeatedly concede that the effects of clouds do indeed represent the greatest uncertainty in their climate predictions. But these organizations have made little progress in dealing with these deficiencies."
    SEJDA
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    TADEAS: jakoze super bohaci kupuji super pocitace na kterych klimatologove nechavaji pocitat sve modely? :)
    anebo ze jim proste prihodi $ 500, aby tam CO2 "osolil"? :) Vlastne by to byla sranda, kdyby se ukazalo, ze super bohaci chodli po Vostoku/Gronsku/Antarktide a ukazovali "tu udelej vrt" a tu "udelej vrt".
    Ja jsem si to procetl, a nevidel jsem tam zadny argument, zadnou analogii, zpochybneni techniky, nic. Jenom odmitani. A tedy osoceni "nadhodnocovani efektu CO2".

    Mozna tim ale myslel spise nase subjektivni vnimani, mozna je to jenom zle prelozeno, ja to zle chapu nebo se mu to domotalo nez to vyslovil.
    TADEAS
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    SEJDA: v zasade bych tomu rad veril, je to docela prijemny nahled na vec ,)
    Kliknutím sem můžete změnit nastavení reklam