L4MA: Hele ja tu negativitu chapu a sdilim ji, ale ta konference neni podle me absurdni. Ve stkuecnosti je to jedina sance jak se hnout kupredu, protoze ta akce neni mozna bez globalni koordinace. Problem je, ze je proste rada hracu, ktera vi, ze pro ne je to hrozba a snazi se ji torpedovat. Fosilni prumysl v USA se postavil na zadni hned zkraje 90. let a nalil stovky milionu do toho, aby kydal spinu na IPCC, COP, UN... Proc? Ty lidi nevyhazujou penize z okna jen tak pro nic za nic, chapou moc dobre, jaky pro ne mezinarodni dohody znamenaj riziko.

Dalsi vec je, ze v ty zaplave negativnich zprav, ze se nam stale nedostalo dostat na trajektorii klimaticky stabilizace trochu se opomina, ze dost vyraznej progres se podaril. Ale ano, neni dostatecnej, je pozde, etc. Ale jestli je nejaka cesta dopredu, tak skrze mezinarodni vyjednavani.

Kdyz si trochu zahalucinuju, tak mi zaroven prijde, ze proste chybi vetsi incentivy pro staty typu OPEC, ktery se v soucasny situaci cejtej jako hlavni loosers. Potrebovali bysme imho novou globalni financni infrastrukturu nejaky Brettonwoods pro 21. stoleti, ktera je to scohpna financovat a krome nakladu taky generovat nejaky jasny pobidky.

Most people don’t realize how much progress we’ve made on climate change » Yale Climate Connections
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/11/most-people-dont-realize-how-much-progress-weve-made-on-climate-change/

TUHO: aniz bych se do toho chtel nejka zabrusovat, jiste mas o konkretnich detailech radove vetsi prehled nez ja, ale "co si vsichni mysli" nebo co se povida na absurdni konferenci, neni zas tak dulzity proti tomu, co se realne deje. viz veskery info z tohodle klubu, deni ktery muzem videt na vlastni oci kolem nas kazdej den, a trebas nejaka exemplarni informace vytrzena z kontextu? :) to co rikas o tom "potencialu" je wishful thinking, nebo existuje nejakou hmatatelny podklady, proc to neni jen (navic uplne smesne prezentovanej) smokescreen? ptam se uplne neironicky, jsem zabredlej v podle me naprosto realisticky negativite, ktera se kazdym rokem a takovymhle "historic milestonem" prohlubuje. to o cem jsme tu pred ctyrma rokama akademicky/sarkasticky klabosili, je dnes realita. vubec nechci kritizovat, ze chces nahlizet nejpozitvnejc jak je to mozny.

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/08/24/fossil-fuel-subsidies-surged-to-record-7-trillion

YMLADRIS: Ja musim nacist, co se teda skutecne prijalo. Ten vyvoj byl dost zajimavej a dramatickej, osciloval od velkejch nadeji, po frustraci z toho, ze OPEC a Rusko to torpedujou a potopej a nakonec to vypada na dulezitej, ale stale nedostatecnej posun vpred. Podle me bysme se meli sakra zamyslet, co se vsema tema fosilnima lobbistama a petrostatama, ktery se snazej proste cestu k relativne bezpecny budoucnosti torpedovat.

Johan Rockström
@jrockstrom
No, COP28 will not enable us to hold the 1.5°C limit, but yes, the result is a pivotal land-mark. It makes clear to finance, business and societies that we are now finally - 8 years behind Paris schedule - at the beginning of the end of the fossil-fuel driven world economy (1/4).

Science called for a mitigation COP, and we got a mitigation COP, focused on fossil-fuels. The world must now act accordingly, i.e. rapidly transition away from oil, coal and gas, aiming at >40% reductions by 2030 and reaching net-zero by 2050, as recognized in the text (2/4).

Yet, the text on transition away from fossil-fuel remains too vague, with no accountability for 2030, 2040 & 2050. No recognition that scaling CO2 removal technology needs to occur in addition to fossil-fuel phase out, to have a chance of limiting global warming to 1.5°C (3/4)

And there is no convincing plan on how to transition away from fossil-fuels. National voluntary action alone will not do it. Collective, global action, on finance, carbon pricing, and technology exchange are also needed, at a scale vastly exceeding what is now on the table (4/4).

L4MA: imho presne tohle si fosilnpropaganda preje, abysi vsichni mysleli.

ten potencial je prave znacnej, proto tam posilaj tolik lobbistu, aby se to snazili potopit

me by zajimalo, jak prakticky tyhle mega setkani fungujou. krome toho, ze to je obri konference, kde probiha velky chlubeni a lobovani, tak jak prakticky probihaji jednani, kteramaji vest k nejakym zaverum

TUHO: jojo, na 28.mém setkání to tam zaznělo ,-) Tleskali i ropní šejkové :D

"Instead of the phrase "phase out" the text tells countries to "transition away" from fossil fuels, beginning this decade"
'Historic' COP28 deal to 'transition away' from fossil fuels adopted | World News | Sky News
https://news.sky.com/story/cop28-draft-resolution-no-reference-to-phasing-out-fossil-fuels-13029230

'Historic' COP28 deal to 'transition away' from fossil fuels adopted - BBC News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88FMgyUlNqY

SCHWEPZ: takze nakonec jistej progres?

For the first time ever, COP28 ended with a deal to transition the world away from fossil fuels, Bloomberg reports. It says the United Arab Emirates (UAE) president Sultan Al Jaber arrived at a deal “strong enough for the US and EU on the need to dramatically curb fossil fuel use while keeping Saudi Arabia and other oil producers on board”. It notes that Al Jaber brought the gavel down on the so-called “global stocktake” text on Wednesday morning – a day later than when COP28 was scheduled to conclude – and was greeted by applause and cheers by delegates. The draft text of the global stocktake deal, which was published early this morning, “calls on parties to contribute to the following global efforts”, including “transitioning away from fossil fuels in energy systems in a just, orderly and equitable manner, accelerating action in this critical decade, so as to achieve net-zero by 2050”, Le Monde reports. It notes that the text does not include a request to “phase out” fossil fuels as many countries and civil society groups hoped for. According to the Press Association, the agreement “defied the expectations of many observers who thought that the host country being a major oil exporter would be too much of a conflict of interest”.

COP28 ends with deal on transition away from fossil fuels - Carbon Brief
https://www.carbonbrief.org/daily-brief/cop28-ends-with-deal-on-transition-away-from-fossil-fuels

R_U_SIRIOUS: jako nejaky (podstatny) zmeny uz se podarily. ale bohuzel porad stale malo

Most people don’t realize how much progress we’ve made on climate change » Yale Climate Connections
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/11/most-people-dont-realize-how-much-progress-weve-made-on-climate-change/

COP28: Is a tripling of nuclear energy workable? – DW – 12/08/2023
https://www.dw.com/en/cop28-is-a-tripling-of-nuclear-energy-workable/a-67655770

(...) Největší unijní ekonomika se podle CDU při výrobě dostupné energie bez jaderných elektráren neobejde. Osmdesátimilionová země se má vrátit do rodiny jaderných energetických mocností.

Strana při tom odkazuje na novou iniciativu dvacítky zemí – Spojených států, Francie, Británie, Japonska, Švédska či Česka –, které se na klimatické konferenci v Dubaji zavázaly posílit do roku 2050 své nukleární kapacity na trojnásobek, a snížit tím uhlíkové emise.

Německá CDU se distancuje od Merkelové a chce zpátky jádro | Hrot
https://www.tydenikhrot.cz/clanek/nemecka-cdu-se-distancuje-od-merkelove-a-chce-jadro?#dop_ab_variant=0&dop_source_zone_name=hpfeed.sznhp.box

In 2021, nuclear energy made up 13 % of Europe's energy mix and accounted for 25 % of all electricity produced. The debate on nuclear energy in the EU focuses on both opportunities and challenges.
Nuclear Power in the European Union - World Nuclear Association
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/others/european-union.aspx

Vážně se obávám, že se něco změní teprve v okamžiku, kdy jedna vláda za druhou budou nuceny v důsledku klimazměn vyhlašovat výjimečné stavy a rozdávat poukazy na potraviny.

To už ale budou změny ekosystémů nevratné.

TUHO: Al Gore
COP28 is now on the verge of complete failure. The world desperately needs to phase out fossil fuels as quickly as possible, but this obsequious draft reads as if OPEC dictated it word for word. It is even worse than many had feared. It is “Of the Petrostates, By the Petrostates and For the Petrostates.” It is deeply offensive to all who have taken this process seriously. There are 24 hours left to show whose side the world is on: the side that wants to protect humanity’s future by kickstarting the orderly phase out of fossil fuels or the side of the petrostates and the leaders of the oil and gas companies that are fueling the historic climate catastrophe. In order to prevent COP28 from being the most embarrassing and dismal failure in 28 years of international climate negotiations, the final text must include clear language on phasing out fossil fuels. Anything else is a massive step backwards from where the world needs to be to truly address the climate crisis and make sure the 1.5°C goal doesn’t die in Dubai

The draft “really doesn’t meet the expectations of this COP in terms of the urgently needed transition to clean sources of energy and the phaseout of fossil fuels,” U.S. climate envoy John Kerry said during a fractious, closed-door meeting late Monday night and early Tuesday, which POLITICO listened to via an unsanctioned feed.
But representatives of other countries, including a bloc that includes China and India, said they would not accept any language proposing either a “phaseout” or “phase-down” of specific energy sources.

Negotiations at the Expo City campus on Dubai’s outskirts were expected to continue through the wee hours on Tuesday — the scheduled final day of the summit.

Earlier that evening, summit president Sultan al-Jaber urged the nearly 200 governments assembled to be flexible and make a deal. The “world is watching” after almost two weeks of discussion, said al-Jaber, who is also the CEO of the United Arab Emirates’ state-owned oil company.

Protesters stood outside chanting: “This text is bullshit.”

Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore unloaded on the proposal, saying in a statement that “COP28 is now on the verge of complete failure.”
“The world desperately needs to phase out fossil fuels as quickly as possible, but this obsequious draft reads as if OPEC dictated it word for word,” Gore said. “It is even worse than many had feared.”

Greens erupt as oil, gas and coal ‘phaseout’ is dropped from proposed COP28 climate deal - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/11/fossil-fuel-phaseout-dropped-cop28-00131066