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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day


    "Given the sheer enormity of climate change, it’s okay to be depressed, to grieve. But please, don’t stay there too long. Join me in pure, unadulterated, righteous anger."


    "I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. Once you start to act, the hope is everywhere."

    "Our best scientists tell us insistently that a calamity is unfolding, that the life-support systems of the Earth are being damaged in ways that threaten our survival. Yet in the face of these facts we carry on as usual."

    “We’ve got to stop burning fossil fuels. So many aspects of life depend on fossil fuels, except for music and love and education and happiness. These things, which hardly use fossil fuels, are what we must focus on.”

    A nejde o to, že na to nemáme dostatečné technologie, ty by na řešení použít šly, ale chybí nám vůle a představivost je využít. Zůstáváme při zemi, přemýšlíme až moc rezervovaně. Technologický pokrok to sám o sobě nevyřeší. Problém jsme my, ne technologické nástroje.

    Rostouci hladiny oceanu, zmena atmosferickeho proudeni, zmeny v distribuci srazek a sucha. Zmeny karbonoveho, fosforoveho a dusikoveho cyklu, okyselovani oceanu. Jake jsou bezpecnostni rizika a jake potencialni klady dramatickych zmen fungovani zemskeho systemu?
    Ale take jak funguji masove dezinformacni kampane ropneho prumyslu a boj o verejne mineni na prahu noveho klimatickeho rezimu post-holocenu.
    rozbalit záhlaví
    PER2
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    PER2: just matter of time...

    Solar Radiation Modification (SRM) refers to deliberate, large-scale actions intended to decrease global average surface temperatures by increasing the reflection of sunlight away from the Earth. Proposed SRM methods involve the use of aerosols (small particles) or other materials to increase the reflectivity of the atmosphere, clouds, or Earth’s surface.

    Solar radiation modification: NOAA State of the Science factsheet | NOAA Climate.gov
    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/solar-radiation-modification-noaa-state-science-factsheet

    NOAA CSL Research: ERB
    https://csl.noaa.gov/research/erb/
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    The government initiative is focused on testing several types of solar geoengineering. Those approaches could include injecting aerosols, such as sulfur dioxide, into the stratosphere or shooting sea-salt aerosols into low-lying marine clouds to reflect more sunlight away from the Earth.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/climate/united-kingdom-geoengineering-research.html
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    James Hansen, asi není třeba představovat, dnes zveřejnil, společně s 2 spoluautory, článek.
    Comments on Global Warming Acceleration, Sulfur Emissions, Observations
    In this article, climate scientists James Hansen, Pushker Kharecha, and Makiko Sato discuss the acceleration of global warming. They note that global temperature continues to rise, reaching 1.56°C above pre-industrial levels as of April 2024. The authors attribute this acceleration to the decline in human-made aerosols, particularly from the shipping industry, which previously had a cooling effect on the Earth.

    The reduction in aerosols, combined with the strong warming trend at middle latitudes and the switch from La Nina to El Nino conditions in the Pacific Ocean, has led to a significant temperature jump in 2023-24. The authors emphasize the importance of accurately evaluating the impact of human-made aerosols on the climate, as it has implications for understanding climate sensitivity.

    They call for further research and modeling to better understand the complex interactions between aerosols, clouds, and the Earth's climate system. The authors also stress the need for continued monitoring of the Earth's radiation balance to improve our understanding of the factors driving global warming acceleration.
    Link
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    Wildfires in Siberia are a growing global threat • Earth.com
    https://www.earth.com/news/wildfires-in-siberia-are-a-growing-global-threat/

    The simulations revealed that the increased intensity of wildfires in Siberia could lead to significant atmospheric changes, notably a cooling effect across the northern hemisphere. This phenomenon is largely due to the aerosols, or tiny air pollution particles, emitted by the fires which can reflect sunlight away from the earth’s surface.

    Professor Teppei Yasunari, a key member of the research team, explained: “Our modeling reveals a cooling effect broadly across the northern hemisphere and worsened air quality in extensive downwind regions.”
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    a jedeem

    Geoengineering Test Quietly Launches Salt Crystals into Atmosphere | Scientific American
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/geoengineering-test-quietly-launches-salt-crystals-into-atmosphere/

    The nation's first outdoor test to limit global warming by increasing cloud cover launched Tuesday from the deck of a decommissioned aircraft carrier in the San Francisco Bay.

    The experiment, which organizers didn't widely announce to avoid public backlash, marks the acceleration of a contentious field of research known as solar radiation modification. The concept involves shooting substances such as aerosols into the sky to reflect sunlight away from the Earth.
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    Global Warming Acceleration: Hope vs Hopium
    https://mailchi.mp/caa/global-warming-acceleration-hope-vs-hopium

    Accumulating evidence supports the interpretation in our Pipeline paper: decreasing human-made aerosols increased Earth’s energy imbalance and accelerated global warming in the past decade. Climate sensitivity and aerosol forcing, physically independent quantities, were tied together by United Nations IPCC climate assessments that rely excessively on global climate models (GCMs) and fail to measure climate forcing by aerosols. IPCC’s best estimates for climate sensitivity and aerosol forcing both understate reality. Preservation of global shorelines and global climate patterns – the world humanity is adapted to – likely will require at least partly reversing global warming. Required actions and time scale are undefined. A bright future for today’s young people is still possible, but its attainment is hampered by precatory (wishful thinking) policies that do not realistically account for global energy needs and aspirations of nations with emerging economies. An alternative is needed to the GCM-dominated perspective on climate science. We will bear a heavy burden if we stand silent or meek as the world continues on its present course.
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    dvě studie

    1. že když se aerosol engineering začne až při vysoké globální teplotě, už to nepomůže na ten AMOC problém a celkově oceány, protože vodě trvá dlouho než se přizpůsobí změnám v teplotě vzduchu. Jako že "start soon".

    2. dehydratace atmosféry, seeding clouds / změny ve vodní páře vyšly v nové studii jako že by měly jen malý efekt (je to druhá metoda o které se uvažuje)

    takže "je to špatný nápad (aerosols injection), ale udělá se to, protože je to nejlevnější. Odclonit antropo přírustek teploty by stálo 30 miliard dolarů ročně, tj částku kterou američani vydávají na žrádlo pro domácí mazlíčky."

    We Need to Start Climate Engineering Soon, New Study Says
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZiEcx0F_CM


    PETER_PAN: UN mělo teď setkání v Nairobi na téma climate engineering without reaching any conclusions (research, ban or just do it?).
    Jak jsi psal že není pravděpodobné, že by se to povolilo.
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    PALEONTOLOG: tak sem nahazej nejaky relevantni zdroje a posun debatu .]

    zatim mi neni zrejmy, ze by ten negativni impakt byl negativnejsi nez impakt soucasnyho geoingeneeringu uhlikovyho cyklu

    to jaky presne to bude mit impakt je zatim celkem nejasne z toho co jsem si prolustroval, bude zalezit i na metode a kam se to vypusti


    What goes up must come down: impacts of deposition in a sulfate geoengineering scenario - IOPscience
    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab94eb?ref=the-wave.net

    The problem of reducing the impacts of rising anthropogenic greenhouse gas on warming temperatures has led to the proposal of using stratospheric aerosols to reflect some of the incoming solar radiation back to space. The deliberate injection of sulfur into the stratosphere to form stratospheric sulfate aerosols, emulating volcanoes, will result in sulfate deposition to the surface. We consider here an extreme sulfate geoengineering scenario necessary to maintain temperatures at 2020 levels while greenhouse gas emissions continue to grow unabated. We show that the amount of stratospheric sulfate needed could be globally balanced by the predicted decrease in tropospheric anthropogenic SO2 emissions, but the spatial distribution would move from industrialized regions to pristine areas. We show how these changes would affect ecosystems differently depending on present day observations of soil pH, which we use to infer the potential for acid-induced aluminum toxicity across the planet.


    The potential environmental and climate impacts of stratospheric aerosol injection: a review - Environmental Science: Atmospheres (RSC Publishing) DOI:10.1039/D3EA00134B
    https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2024/ea/d3ea00134b
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    “Cooling credits” are not a viable climate solution | Climatic Change
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-023-03561-w

    As the world struggles to limit warming to 1.5 or 2 °C below pre-industrial temperatures, research into solar climate interventions that could temporarily offset some amount of greenhouse gas-driven global warming by reflecting more sunlight back out to space has gained prominence. These solar climate intervention techniques would aim to cool the Earth by injecting aerosols (tiny liquid or solid particles suspended in the atmosphere) into the upper atmosphere or into low-altitude marine clouds. In a new development, “cooling credits” are now being marketed that claim to offset a certain amount of greenhouse gas warming with aerosol-based cooling. The science of solar climate intervention is currently too uncertain and the quantification of effects insufficient for any such claims to be credible in the near term. More fundamentally, however, the environmental impacts of greenhouse gases and aerosols are too different for such credits to be an appropriate instrument for reducing climate risk even if scientific uncertainties were narrowed and robust monitoring systems put in place. While some form of commercial mechanism for solar climate intervention implementation, in the event it is used, is likely, “cooling credits” are unlikely to be a viable climate solution, either now or in the future.
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    TUHO: Hodim sem rovnou celej komentar Schmidta

    Gavin Schmidt
    @ClimateOfGavin
    Nicely explained. A few points that might help explain why I’m still sticking to the 2.5 to 4°C number though.
    1. The screened set of models is a still a better fit to the recent historical data - even including 2023 (and what we expect for 2024).
    2. The tests of whether the ‘hot models’ can match the paleo climate changes such as the last glacial maximum have not been successful. There are AFAIK no published LGM runs with the Hadley Centre Model (UKESM), nor the DOE model, etc. For CESM2 there is, but it’s far too cold.
    3. This isn’t to claim that we know everything about lgm aerosols or clouds - we don’t. But the range of things we’d have to adjust or reimagine in order to make the high ECS models work are legion. It could happen, but all of the elements need to go in the same direction.
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    XCHAOS: myslí se, se aerosoly jsou fakt problematický nápad (viz video od kurzgesagtu "geoengineering") ale že se to stejně udělá, protože je to mnohem levnější než carbon capture nebo vypnout fosil.

    Paleontolog zas napíše že přece kyselé deště nikdo nechce, LOL

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    https://twitter.com/skdh/status/1741005047679328595
    Sabine

    When is it going to happen? Guessing at around the time warming creeps from 2.0 to 2.5 with 3.0 in sight which I suspect will happen much sooner than the IPCC projections might lead you to expect, probably before 2040.

    First thing to happen is that some country, most likely the USA will pull an emergency break by spraying aerosols in the atmosphere. Why the USA? Because they (a) are naturally in a location with more climate extremes than Europe and by 2.5 degrees of warming their economic losses will be painful, (b) they have the money and the infrastructure to make it happen, and (c) the whole world-leading and pioneering thing is totally in American character.
    TUHO
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    Safe and just Earth System Boundaries

    Abstract
    The stability and resilience of the Earth system and human well-being are inseparably linked1,2,3, yet their interdependencies are generally under-recognized; consequently, they are often treated independently4,5. Here, we use modelling and literature assessment to quantify safe and just Earth system boundaries (ESBs) for climate, the biosphere, water and nutrient cycles, and aerosols at global and subglobal scales. We propose ESBs for maintaining the resilience and stability of the Earth system (safe ESBs) and minimizing exposure to significant harm to humans from Earth system change (a necessary but not sufficient condition for justice)4. The stricter of the safe or just boundaries sets the integrated safe and just ESB. Our findings show that justice considerations constrain the integrated ESBs more than safety considerations for climate and atmospheric aerosol loading. Seven of eight globally quantified safe and just ESBs and at least two regional safe and just ESBs in over half of global land area are already exceeded. We propose that our assessment provides a quantitative foundation for safeguarding the global commons for all people now and into the future.

    Safe and just Earth system boundaries | Nature
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06083-8
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    https://twitter.com/skdh/status/1741005047679328595

    Sabine je fyzička, janevim no, IMHO tým aerosols vypadá teď nejvíc plausible

    When is it going to happen? Guessing at around the time warming creeps from 2.0 to 2.5 with 3.0 in sight which I suspect will happen much sooner than the IPCC projections might lead you to expect, probably before 2040.

    First thing to happen is that some country, most likely the USA will pull an emergency break by spraying aerosols in the atmosphere. Why the USA? Because they (a) are naturally in a location with more climate extremes than Europe and by 2.5 degrees of warming their economic losses will be painful, (b) they have the money and the infrastructure to make it happen, and (c) the whole world-leading and pioneering thing is totally in American character.
    TUHO
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    Soviet and Russian perspectives on geoengineering and climate management

    Soviet science contributed significantly to our understanding of anthropogenic climate change and, as part of this, played a central role in the emerging science underpinning climate modification and geoengineering initiatives. A key focus of discussion was the use of stratospheric aerosols linked to the innovative ideas of Mikhail Budyko and colleagues. This work had its origins in what has been termed the theory of aerosol climatic catastrophe, which gained prominence in the Soviet context during the early 1970s. Following the breakup of the Soviet Union, the ideas of Budyko concerning the use of stratospheric aerosols were advanced by Yuri Izrael and his collaborators. The associated body of work gained traction during the 2000s and engendered a wider debate concerning the efficacy of geoengineering solutions amongst Russia's climate scientists. The legacies of this scientific discussion are also evident in recent high-level international debates such as those linked to the activities of the IPCC. While significant geopolitical obstacles remain in the way of an international agreement linked to the possible deployment of geoengineering measures, interest continues to grow. The maturity of Russian science in the area of geoengineering and climate modification ensures that it remains an important voice within the broader scientific debate. At the same time, the progressive isolation of Russian science from the international scene due to wider geopolitical events risks deflecting attention away from contemporary popular and political debate in this area and alienating this rich scientific tradition at a critical juncture.

    https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.829
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    New Study Warns of an Imminent Spike of Planetary Warming and Deepens Divides Among Climate Scientists - Inside Climate News
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02112023/study-warns-of-spike-of-warming-divides-climate-scientists/

    the research was controversial even before it was published, and it may widen the rifts in the climate science community and in the broader public conversation about the severity and imminence of climate impacts, with Hansen criticizing the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for underestimating future warming, while other researchers, including IPCC authors, lambasted the new study.

    The research suggests that an ongoing reduction of sulfuric air pollution particles called aerosols could send the global average annual temperature soaring beyond the targets of the Paris climate agreement much sooner than expected, which would sharply increase the challenges faced by countries working to limit harmful climate change under international agreements on an already treacherous geopolitical stage.

    ...

    Combining the the paleoclimate data with modeling and detailed observations from the last few decades, the team concluded that the world is in for a wild ride of climate impacts, including possible superstorms that could toss house-sized boulders to the top of seaside cliffs, radical changes to global rainfall patterns that would affect agriculture in densely populated regions and possibly several meters of sea level rise by 2100, as compared to the IPCC-projected range of .29 to 1.1 meters.

    ...

    Hansen’s new research about the relative strengths of those competing effects diverges from many other studies by suggesting the cooling effect has been underestimated so that as sulfur aerosols and their effects on clouds are reduced, temperature will increase more than expected.

    How clouds will change in the decades ahead, and their interaction with aerosols, remains the single greatest uncertainty in making accurate projections for future temperature increases, according to most climate scientists. Several key satellite instruments that could have helped answer that question never made it into orbit in the 1980s and 1990s, despite repeated requests, Hansen said.

    ...

    Schmidt said a new mission called PACE (short for Plankton, Aerosol, Cloud, ocean Ecosystem) could quickly reduce the uncertainties surrounding the effects of aerosols on the climate. That satellite should be in orbit within the coming year. Copernicus, the European Union climate change service, is also launching a new satellite, EarthCARE, also with the goal of measuring the relationship of aerosols, clouds and precipitation to how much of the sun’s radiation reaches Earth to drive global heating.

    Absent those data, the new study used a process of elimination to again show reductions in sulfur aerosols were triggering accelerated warming. Comparisons with past climate periods hold some of the clues, showing, for example, that reefs along the Yucatán Peninsula grew upward and shoreward in giant spurts over the course of just a few decades, about 100,000 years ago during the late Eemian geological era. That, Hansen said, is another warning sign that parts of Earth’s climate system, and particularly ice sheets and ice shelves, are more sensitive to warming than we think.

    “The IPCC system doesn’t acknowledge the degree to which the aerosol forcing will affect the climate in the next few decades, probably more than anything else,” Simons said. “We hope we’re wrong.”
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    hansen

    2023 Global warming in the pipeline
    https://academic.oup.com/oocc/article/3/1/kgad008/7335889

    Improved knowledge of glacial-to-interglacial global temperature change yields Charney (fast-feedback) equilibrium climate sensitivity 1.2 ± 0.3°C (2σ) per W/m2, which is 4.8°C ± 1.2°C for doubled CO2. Consistent analysis of temperature over the full Cenozoic era—including ‘slow’ feedbacks by ice sheets and trace gases—supports this sensitivity and implies that CO2 was 300–350 ppm in the Pliocene and about 450 ppm at transition to a nearly ice-free planet, exposing unrealistic lethargy of ice sheet models. Equilibrium global warming for today’s GHG amount is 10°C, which is reduced to 8°C by today’s human-made aerosols. Equilibrium warming is not ‘committed’ warming; rapid phaseout of GHG emissions would prevent most equilibrium warming from occurring. However, decline of aerosol emissions since 2010 should increase the 1970–2010 global warming rate of 0.18°C per decade to a post-2010 rate of at least 0.27°C per decade. Thus, under the present geopolitical approach to GHG emissions, global warming will exceed 1.5°C in the 2020s and 2°C before 2050. Impacts on people and nature will accelerate as global warming increases hydrologic (weather) extremes. The enormity of consequences demands a return to Holocene-level global temperature. Required actions include: (1) a global increasing price on GHG emissions accompanied by development of abundant, affordable, dispatchable clean energy, (2) East-West cooperation in a way that accommodates developing world needs, and (3) intervention with Earth’s radiation imbalance to phase down today’s massive human-made ‘geo-transformation’ of Earth’s climate. Current political crises present an opportunity for reset, especially if young people can grasp their situation.

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    SHEFIK
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    Evoluce je neuveritelna. Na druhou stranu, z pohledu evolucniho biologa takovej objev uz ani nemuze bejt prekvapenim :)

    A Revelation About Trees Is Messing With Climate Calculations | WIRED
    https://www.wired.com/story/a-revelation-about-trees-is-messing-with-climate-calculations/

    In a paper published this month in Science Advances, Dada’s team establishes a new heavy hitter in cloud creation: a kind of chemical released by trees. Trees emit natural volatiles like isoprene and monoterpenes, which can spark cloud-forming chemical reactions. Dada’s new work focuses on an overlooked class of less abundant volatiles called sesquiterpenes, which smell woody, earthy, citrusy, or spicy, depending on the molecule and type of plant or microbe that emits them.

    The team shows that sesquiterpenes are more effective than expected for seeding clouds. A mere 1-to-50 ratio of sesquiterpene to other volatiles doubled cloud formation.
    ...
    This research could help refine estimates of what the atmosphere was like before industrialization. Maybe we’ve been undercounting the world’s aerosol population by overlooking a large portion of those that come from trees. If so, climate models will need retooling.
    ...
    Lab tools have only recently become sensitive enough to understand which ones contribute the most.
    ..
    But scientists have trouble simulating just how many aerosols should be accounted for in models. “It’s been a long-standing problem,” Fan says. “A lot of climate models overestimate anthropogenic aerosol forcing.” Perhaps that is because they are underestimating the prevalence of natural aerosols—from microbes, plants, and trees—before the industrial revolution. “Maybe what we're using as our reference point may actually not be as low-aerosol as we thought,” agrees Zuidema.
    ....
    For example, heat stress, extreme weather, and droughts cause plants to release more biogenic volatiles—which seed more clouds. Deforestation and heat stress are pushing treelines to migrate to higher altitudes and latitudes. That affects where clouds form.

    “It’s a feedback loop,” Dada says. “The climate is affecting the cloud formation, and the clouds are affecting the climate.”
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    Global Warming is Accelerating. Why? Will We Fly Blind?
    https://mailchi.mp/caa/global-warming-is-accelerating-why-will-we-fly-blind?

    Abstract. Global temperature in the current El Nino exceeds temperature in the prior (2015-16) El Nino by more than the expected warming (0.14°C in 8 years) for the global warming rate since 1970 (0.18°C/decade). Proximate cause of accelerated warming is an increase of Earth’s Energy Imbalance (EEI), but what caused that? Indirect evidence points to a decline in the cooling effect of human-made aerosols. Failure to measure aerosol climate forcing is partly compensated by precise monitoring of EEI details. However, there are no adequate plans to continue even this vital EEI monitoring – which will become even more important as humanity realizes its predicament and the fact that we must cool the planet to avoid disastrous consequences and restore a bright future for young people – let alone plans for adequate aerosol monitoring.
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    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/366136487_Global_warming_in_the_pipeline

    Improved knowledge of glacial-to-interglacial global temperature change implies that fast-feedback equilibrium climate sensitivity is at least ~4°C for doubled CO2 (2xCO2), with likely range 3.5-5.5°C. Greenhouse gas (GHG) climate forcing is 4.1 W/m2 larger in 2021 than in 1750, equivalent to 2xCO2 forcing. Global warming in the pipeline is greater than prior estimates. Eventual global warming due to today's GHG forcing alone -- after slow feedbacks operate -- is about 10°C. Human-made aerosols are a major climate forcing, mainly via their effect on clouds. We infer from paleoclimate data that aerosol cooling offset GHG warming for several millennia as civilization developed. A hinge-point in global warming occurred in 1970 as increased GHG warming outpaced aerosol cooling, leading to global warming of 0.18°C per decade. Aerosol cooling is larger than estimated in the current IPCC report, but it has declined since 2010 because of aerosol reductions in China and shipping. Without unprecedented global actions to reduce GHG growth, 2010 could be another hinge point, with global warming in following decades 50-100% greater than in the prior 40 years. The enormity of consequences of warming in the pipeline demands a new approach addressing legacy and future emissions. The essential requirement to "save" young people and future generations is return to Holocene-level global temperature. Three urgently required actions are: 1) a global increasing price on GHG emissions, 2) purposeful intervention to rapidly phase down present massive geoengineering of Earth's climate, and 3) renewed East-West cooperation in a way that accommodates developing world needs.
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    Aerosols must be included in climate risk assessments
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03763-9

    Estimates of impending risk ignore a big player in regional change and climate extremes.



    Science In Action - A distant planet’s atmosphere - BBC Sounds
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct369z

    From 9 minutes in @PeaseRoland talks to Laura Wilcox @LJ_Wilcox about the unmasking of the effects of global warming (whole episode is worth listening to).
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