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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Destroying the Future Is the Most Cost-Effective


    "Given the sheer enormity of climate change, it’s okay to be depressed, to grieve. But please, don’t stay there too long. Join me in pure, unadulterated, righteous anger."


    "I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. Once you start to act, the hope is everywhere."

    "Our best scientists tell us insistently that a calamity is unfolding, that the life-support systems of the Earth are being damaged in ways that threaten our survival. Yet in the face of these facts we carry on as usual."

    “We’ve got to stop burning fossil fuels. So many aspects of life depend on fossil fuels, except for music and love and education and happiness. These things, which hardly use fossil fuels, are what we must focus on.”

    A nejde o to, že na to nemáme dostatečné technologie, ty by na řešení použít šly, ale chybí nám vůle a představivost je využít. Zůstáváme při zemi, přemýšlíme až moc rezervovaně. Technologický pokrok to sám o sobě nevyřeší. Problém jsme my, ne technologické nástroje.

    Rostouci hladiny oceanu, zmena atmosferickeho proudeni, zmeny v distribuci srazek a sucha. Zmeny karbonoveho, fosforoveho a dusikoveho cyklu, okyselovani oceanu. Jake jsou bezpecnostni rizika a jake potencialni klady dramatickych zmen fungovani zemskeho systemu?
    Ale take jak funguji masove dezinformacni kampane ropneho prumyslu a boj o verejne mineni na prahu noveho klimatickeho rezimu post-holocenu.
    rozbalit záhlaví
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    ROGER_WILCO:

    Climate change target of 2C is ‘dead’, says renowned climate scientist | Climate crisis | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/04/climate-change-target-of-2c-is-dead-says-renowned-climate-scientist

    “The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC) defined a scenario which gives a 50% chance to keep warming under 2C – that scenario is now impossible,” he said. “The 2C target is dead, because the global energy use is rising, and it will continue to rise.” The new analysis said global heating is likely to reach 2C by 2045, unless solar geoengineering is deployed.

    ...

    A key focus has been on emissions from shipping. For decades, the sulphate particles produced by ships burning fuel have blocked some sunlight from reaching the Earth’s surface, suppressing temperatures. But in 2020, new anti-pollution regulations came into force, sharply cutting the level of the aerosol particles. This led to more heat from the sun reaching the surface, which scientists measure as watts a square meter (W/m2).

    Hansen’s team’s estimate of the impact of this – 0.5W/m2 – is significantly higher than five other recent studies, which ranged from 0.07 to 0.15 W/m2, but would explain the anomalous heat. Hansen’s team used a top-down approach, looking at the change in the reflectivity over key parts of the ocean and ascribing that to the reductions in shipping emissions. The other studies used bottom-up approaches to estimate the increase in heat.

    “Both approaches are useful and often complementary,” said Dr Gavin Schmidt, director of Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “But I think in this case, Hansen’s approach is too simple and doesn’t factor in changes in Chinese emissions, or internal variability.”

    The new study also argues that the planet’s climate sensitivity to rising carbon emissions has been underestimated, partly because of the underestimation of the impact of reduced shipping emissions.
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    sira ve stratosfere - stephenson kritizuje projekt na detekci tohoto, protoze mu pripada spatne uzavirat si tuto cestu

    vymezuje se proti clanku v NYT

    Just to lay my cards on the table, I think that SRM should be investigated and possibly even implemented. But I don’t think it is likely to be, because people on the right and left both hate it. People on the right lump it in with chemtrails, and hate it for the same reasons (if that is the correct word) they now have now decided that the polio vaccine is bad. People on the left hate it because…well, I’ll get to that in a second. So I don’t think it will happen unless a Trumpian figure comes out in favor of it and pitches it to the populist base in a style that will make those people think it’s awesome.

    In other words, I think that this is largely an abstract debate that is more interesting as a case study in fallibilism than it is on its own merits.

    The NYT Article
    The article describes how some exceptionally smart and technically capable people are using their ingenuity and energy (and presumably taxpayer money) to set up a detection system that will enable them to blow the whistle on anyone who actually tries to implement SRM. This is because “[SRM] could also unleash untold dangers. Many worry that solar geoengineering could have unintended consequences.”

    I’m not going to pore over the article in detail because I try to keep these Substack entries reasonably short. But if we take it at face value, it seems that everyone mentioned in this story, as well as the journalist writing it, simply accepts the premise that even the smallest and most preliminary efforts that might be made towards studying SRM are so unthinkably reckless that the most important thing that they can possibly be devoting their careers to is creating sophisticated systems “to measure aerosol concentration and raise a red flag at any anomalies.”

    Geoengineering (Wrong 2) - by Neal Stephenson - Graphomane
    https://nealstephenson.substack.com/p/geoengineering

    Other methods to implement SRM have been proposed, such as using huge systems of balloons or firing enormous guns into the air. The only thing they have in common is that they are almost comically enormous. They have to be, since what they are trying to do is to replicated in a controlled manner some of the largest volcanic explosions in history.

    What then is the purpose of putting all of this ingenuity to work building these exquisitely sophisticated systems for detecting faint traces of aerosols in the stratosphere? The only explanation that makes any sense is that the goal is to sense even the tiniest and most preliminary exploratory efforts in the field of SRM. Experiments, basically. Programs that are, by definition, too small to actually change the climate. If someone were changing the climate, we’d know about it. We wouldn’t need high altitude balloons or WB-57s. We could just aim a webcam at the special airport where hundreds of weird planes were taking off every day.

    And it’s worth reiterating—because the level of anxiety about SRM is so high—that the purpose of those weird planes would not be to drop bombs, spray nerve gas, or strafe peasants, but to ameliorate, temporarily and reversibly, the effects of a completely uncontrolled and incredibly reckless geoengineering experiment that the human race has been engaging in for 200 years, and will continue to engage in for at least another 50 years, by dumping vast quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere and the oceans.

    A charge often levelled against environmentalists by the right is that tree-huggers are in some sense anti-technological and by extension anti-human. That they are in love with the idea of an unspoiled natural order and that anything humans do to change it is automatically bad.

    But that doesn’t explain this curiously asymmetrical reaction to, on the one hand, the very idea that some people might engage in preliminary studies of techniques intended to save humanity from the consequences of too much anthropogenic CO2 in the air, vs., on the other hand, the ongoing reality of what we are actually doing when we burn fossil fuels. I don’t understand how people who think this way are going to explain such positions when a million people are lying dead of heatstroke somewhere. The only way I can process it is to construe it as a kind of religious belief—an article of faith.
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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211467X22002255

    Abstract
    The impacts of global climate change on international security and geopolitics could be of historic proportion, challenging those of previous global threats such as nuclear weapons proliferation, the Great Depression, and terrorism. But while the evidence surrounding the security impacts of climate change is fairly well-understood and improving, less is known about the security risks to climate-technology deployment. In this study, we focus on the geopolitical, security, and military risks facing negative emissions and solar geoengineering options. Although controversial, these options could become the future backbone of a low-carbon or net-zero society, given that they avoid the need for coordinated or global action (and can be deployed by a smaller group of actors, even non-state actors), and that they can “buy time” for mitigation and other options to be scaled up. We utilize a large and diverse expert-interview exercise (N = 125) to critically examine the security risks associated with ten negative emission options (or greenhouse gas removal technologies) and ten solar geoengineering options (or solar radiation management technologies). We ask: What geopolitical considerations does deployment give rise to? What particular military applications exist? What risks do these options entail in terms of weaponization, misuse, and miscalculation? We examine such existing and prospective security risks across a novel conceptual framework envisioning their use as (i) diplomatic or military negotiating tools, (ii) objectives for building capacity, control, or deterrence, (iii) targets in ongoing conflicts, and (iv) causes of new conflicts. This enables us to capture a far broader spectrum of security concerns than those which exist in the extant literature and to go well beyond insights derived from climate modelling or game theory by drawing on a novel, rich, and original dataset of expert perceptions.
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    US staví systém na detekci geoinzenyringu

    The tool can also estimate the consequences of an aerosol injection, things like changes in surface temperatures, precipitation levels or soil moisture.

    “The effect will possibly last months, and even maybe a couple of years, depending on how much aerosols they’re injecting,” Dr. Swiler said. “Understanding what might happen two years hence — that is where we will have to rely on our modeling capabilities.”

    The United States is still years away from being ready to detect a solar geoengineering effort but is on the leading edge.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/28/climate/geoengineering-early-warning-system.html#
    PER2
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    ted kdyz v americe vladne thiel a musk, tak uz je ten geoengineering asi jistojista jistota, coz :)
    PER2
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    lets build a wall!

    'Doomsday' Antarctic glacier melting faster than expected, fueling calls for geoengineering
    https://phys.org/news/2024-11-doomsday-antarctic-glacier-faster-fueling.html

    TADEAS
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    2024 Securing the ‘great white shield’? Climate change, Arctic security and the geopolitics of solar geoengineering
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00108367241269629

    By systematically juxtaposing recently published schemes for Arctic geoengineering with Arctic security strategies published by the littoral Arctic states and China, we reveal and detail two conflicting security imaginaries. Geoengineering schemes scientifically securitise (and seek to maintain) the Arctic’s ‘great white shield’ to protect ‘global’ humanity against climate tipping points and invoke a past era of Arctic ‘exceptionality’ to suggest greater political feasibility for research interventions here. Meanwhile, state security imaginaries understand the contemporary Arctic as an increasingly contested region of considerable geopolitical peril and economic opportunity as temperatures rise. Alongside the entangled history of science with geopolitics in the region, this suggests that geoengineering schemes in the Arctic are unlikely to follow scientific visions, and unless co-opted into competitive, extractivist state security imaginaries, may prove entirely infeasible. Moreover, if the Arctic is the ‘best-case’ for geoengineering politics, this places a huge question mark over the feasibility of other, more global prospects
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    The government initiative is focused on testing several types of solar geoengineering. Those approaches could include injecting aerosols, such as sulfur dioxide, into the stratosphere or shooting sea-salt aerosols into low-lying marine clouds to reflect more sunlight away from the Earth.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/climate/united-kingdom-geoengineering-research.html
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    ERGOSUM: to se tu celkem řeší už déle. Můj postoj je že se bude střílet sira, geoinzenyring. Je to mnohem levnější než dekarbonizace, tak jak to asi dopadne. Když kurzgesagt má video Geoengineering na YT kde je rozebráno v celé děsivosti

    Jinak zvyšování teploty protože jsou ekologičtější lodě, elektrárny, .. ano. Můžeš googlit global dimming, mělo to zamaskovat půl stupně, teď se to odmaskovava
    PER2
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    a jedeem

    Geoengineering Test Quietly Launches Salt Crystals into Atmosphere | Scientific American
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/geoengineering-test-quietly-launches-salt-crystals-into-atmosphere/

    The nation's first outdoor test to limit global warming by increasing cloud cover launched Tuesday from the deck of a decommissioned aircraft carrier in the San Francisco Bay.

    The experiment, which organizers didn't widely announce to avoid public backlash, marks the acceleration of a contentious field of research known as solar radiation modification. The concept involves shooting substances such as aerosols into the sky to reflect sunlight away from the Earth.
    MATT
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    Geoengineering Test Quietly Launches Salt Crystals into Atmosphere | Scientific American
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/geoengineering-test-quietly-launches-salt-crystals-into-atmosphere/
    PALEONTOLOG
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    YMLADRIS: no ideální příležitost pro nějakýho mengeleho ze švýcarska, aby si zkusil svoje nápady. ovšem výsledky jsou:

    This article was updated on February 29 to clarify the United States’ position on key issues at the UNEA talks on solar radiation management and on March 1 to make clear there is a de facto global moratorium in place on geoengineering.

    Nations fail to agree on solar geoengineering regulations
    https://www.climatechangenews.com/2024/02/29/nations-fail-to-agree-ban-or-research-on-solar-geoengineering-regulations/
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    PALEONTOLOG: tak sem nahazej nejaky relevantni zdroje a posun debatu .]

    zatim mi neni zrejmy, ze by ten negativni impakt byl negativnejsi nez impakt soucasnyho geoingeneeringu uhlikovyho cyklu

    to jaky presne to bude mit impakt je zatim celkem nejasne z toho co jsem si prolustroval, bude zalezit i na metode a kam se to vypusti


    What goes up must come down: impacts of deposition in a sulfate geoengineering scenario - IOPscience
    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab94eb?ref=the-wave.net

    The problem of reducing the impacts of rising anthropogenic greenhouse gas on warming temperatures has led to the proposal of using stratospheric aerosols to reflect some of the incoming solar radiation back to space. The deliberate injection of sulfur into the stratosphere to form stratospheric sulfate aerosols, emulating volcanoes, will result in sulfate deposition to the surface. We consider here an extreme sulfate geoengineering scenario necessary to maintain temperatures at 2020 levels while greenhouse gas emissions continue to grow unabated. We show that the amount of stratospheric sulfate needed could be globally balanced by the predicted decrease in tropospheric anthropogenic SO2 emissions, but the spatial distribution would move from industrialized regions to pristine areas. We show how these changes would affect ecosystems differently depending on present day observations of soil pH, which we use to infer the potential for acid-induced aluminum toxicity across the planet.


    The potential environmental and climate impacts of stratospheric aerosol injection: a review - Environmental Science: Atmospheres (RSC Publishing) DOI:10.1039/D3EA00134B
    https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2024/ea/d3ea00134b
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    Is Blocking The Sun Quietly Being Normalized? - Spirit of Change Magazine
    https://www.spiritofchange.org/is-blocking-the-sun-quietly-being-normalized/

    Officially, there’s an international moratorium on attempts to block the sun, as well as a U.N. Environmental Modification Convention, but rogue “Greenfinger” billionaires like Bill Gates have continued their dangerous experiments.

    Since the Vietnam War’s Project Popeye scandal, the U.S. government has positioned the Pentagon’s weather modification work and DARPA funding as countering the potential “security threat” geoengineering posed.

    Recently there’s been a shift. The U.S. has begun to normalize solar geoengineering as a “climate solution.” In 2021, the National Academies of Sciences issued a report calling for a $200 million 5-year investment in solar geoengineering research, and in 2023 President Biden released a solar radiation modification (SRM) framework, claiming that “SRM offers the possibility of cooling as the planet significantly on a timescale of a few years.”

    Around the same time, the European Union floated “a potential international framework” for solar geoengineering.

    Meanwhile, climate-profiteering corporations are lobbying for solar geoengineering to be included in the offset market being negotiated under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.

    Even “environmental” non-profit advocacy groups are in on it!

    The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF)’s official position on geoengineering is that, “Deliberate climate interventions such as albedo modification should not be undertaken for the foreseeable future as they present serious ecological, moral and geopolitical concerns.”

    But, EDF has publicly supported research into geoengineering since 2010, when it co-founded the Solar Radiation Management Governance Initiative with the Royal Society and The World Academy of Sciences.

    In early 2024, Climate Wire reported that EDF organized a private two-day meeting of climate scientists, environmental activists and philanthropists “to prepare for an expected surge of Silicon Valley funding related to last-ditch measures for slowing global warming.”
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    Two new Mexico teams to explore impacts of SRM on heatwaves and biodiversity loss - The DEGREES Initiative
    https://www.degrees.ngo/two-new-mexico-teams-explore-srm-heatwaves-and-biodiversity-loss/

    By modelling the potential impacts of SRM and climate change, these scientists will contribute to an evidence base that policy makers in Mexico and Central America can use to make informed decisions about reducing climate risks. This is research conducted by Latin Amercian scientists working at a Mexican University, who will communicate their findings openly to key stakeholders through peer-reviewed academic publications.

    Last year, Mexico announced an intention to ban outdoor solar geoengineering activities after an American start-up company attempted a small-scale SRM balloon test on Mexican territory.

    Unlike that controversial small-scale for-profit ‘deployment’, the two new Degrees-funded scientific teams will conduct responsible computer-based modelling research on the potential effects of SRM on climate change, heatwaves, and biodiversity. This supports Degrees’ central mission – while we take no position on whether SRM should ever be used, we want developing countries to have the capacity to do their own research and to have an informed role in any future governance discussions and decisions on its use or non-use.
    TADEAS
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    T Pueyo
    https://twitter.com/tomaspueyo/status/1764677338506088941

    Global warming is accelerating. There's only one thing we can do today to delay it before we burn, enough to solve the pbm: SO2 injection

    Some ppl are squeamish about it but they shouldn't be. SO2 is so obviously the right solution that we should do it now. Here's why


    The Geoengineering Question - by Zeke Hausfather
    https://www.theclimatebrink.com/p/the-geoengineering-question
    YMLADRIS
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    XCHAOS: myslí se, se aerosoly jsou fakt problematický nápad (viz video od kurzgesagtu "geoengineering") ale že se to stejně udělá, protože je to mnohem levnější než carbon capture nebo vypnout fosil.

    Paleontolog zas napíše že přece kyselé deště nikdo nechce, LOL

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    https://twitter.com/skdh/status/1741005047679328595
    Sabine

    When is it going to happen? Guessing at around the time warming creeps from 2.0 to 2.5 with 3.0 in sight which I suspect will happen much sooner than the IPCC projections might lead you to expect, probably before 2040.

    First thing to happen is that some country, most likely the USA will pull an emergency break by spraying aerosols in the atmosphere. Why the USA? Because they (a) are naturally in a location with more climate extremes than Europe and by 2.5 degrees of warming their economic losses will be painful, (b) they have the money and the infrastructure to make it happen, and (c) the whole world-leading and pioneering thing is totally in American character.
    TUHO
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    Soviet and Russian perspectives on geoengineering and climate management

    Soviet science contributed significantly to our understanding of anthropogenic climate change and, as part of this, played a central role in the emerging science underpinning climate modification and geoengineering initiatives. A key focus of discussion was the use of stratospheric aerosols linked to the innovative ideas of Mikhail Budyko and colleagues. This work had its origins in what has been termed the theory of aerosol climatic catastrophe, which gained prominence in the Soviet context during the early 1970s. Following the breakup of the Soviet Union, the ideas of Budyko concerning the use of stratospheric aerosols were advanced by Yuri Izrael and his collaborators. The associated body of work gained traction during the 2000s and engendered a wider debate concerning the efficacy of geoengineering solutions amongst Russia's climate scientists. The legacies of this scientific discussion are also evident in recent high-level international debates such as those linked to the activities of the IPCC. While significant geopolitical obstacles remain in the way of an international agreement linked to the possible deployment of geoengineering measures, interest continues to grow. The maturity of Russian science in the area of geoengineering and climate modification ensures that it remains an important voice within the broader scientific debate. At the same time, the progressive isolation of Russian science from the international scene due to wider geopolitical events risks deflecting attention away from contemporary popular and political debate in this area and alienating this rich scientific tradition at a critical juncture.

    https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.829
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    PALEONTOLOG: ty to podáváš jako by se rýsovaly aplikovat nějaký logicky nebo racionální nebo dokonce komplexní řešení. Kde. Já jenom komentuju, co se bude ve skutečnosti dít. Geoengineering.
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    BOREC: rozhodí se tím kde co. Největší risk je, že pokud se s tím abruptně přestane, teplota velmi rychle poskočí nahoru, na což se neadaptuje fakt nic

    Krátké video

    Geoengineering: A Horrible Idea We Might Have to Do
    https://youtu.be/dSu5sXmsur4?si=d-iizlRc2qny-uHj
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