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    TADEASplanetarita - 'making life planetary'
    resersovaci klubik k tematum planetarity

    planetarita jako jednotici pohled na soucasne deni na Zemi a roli lidi v nem.

    temata:

    - architektura planetarniho usporadani: klima, ekosystemy, logistika
    - sociopoliticke regiony planety a jejich cesta k planetarite
    - planetarita a architektura digitalni / vypocetni infrastruktury: ukladani dat, zpracovani vypoctu a identity
    - process civilizace v kontextu planetarity
    - kosmicky vyzkum, gradace civilizace v hypercivilizaci - 'making life multiplanetary'
    - management ekosystemu v kontextu planetarity - making life 'planetary' [for the first time]
    - terapie v kontextu planetarity: individualni terapie, facilitace spolecenskych procesu, biogeoterapie
    - exoplanetarita / interplanetarita - tema jinych civilizaci na jinych planetach [ne jako spekulativni blaboleni a amaterska ufologie] ale jako principialni tema

    a tak dale.
    rozbalit záhlaví
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    0:00 Introduction
    1:40 What Bernardo appreciates in Michaels work
    2:50 What Michael appreciates in Bernardo’s work.
    3:55 How to tell what is conscious
    10:00 Every cell does what neurons do: if brains produce consciousness maybe all cells do
    12:00 A framework for types of mind
    14:40 The continuum of agency: based on prediction and efficacious interaction
    19:27 Bernardo’s: the boundaries of self
    24:09 Bernardo: conscious computers are unlikely: things only exist conceptually
    29:00 Michael: Goal seeking the best measure of consciousness: since there is no obvious place mechanical chemistry becomes cognitive life, and all life is a collection of nested selves
    36:26 Bernardo: Individuality is epiphenomenal and can explain laboratory division of life
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    LIFE VS IMITATIONS

    39:54 Bernardo: Distinguish between what is natural and what is an imitation (a mannequin)
    A Mannequin looks like a human because it is designed to look like one, but we can’t draw more correlations based on that. AI might seek certain goals because it was designed to by its creators, but equally we can’t draw further conclusions based on that.
    42:13 Michael: gears and cogs could make life
    46:00 Michael: Metabolism is a version of autopoiesis; self construction and the need to battle for energy
    48:00 Agency must be determined by perturbative experiments, not casual observation.
    50:58 Life identified by goal seeking behaviour
    55:26 Bernardo praises the paradigm shift Michael introduces in recognising agents in nature
    Michael recognises the alternative health community as having this paradigm without the mechanism. Bioelectrical networks the glue collections of cells.
    1:00 Hypnosis/therapy may be mechanisms to intervene at higher order levels.
    1:07:00 Recap of criteria for consciousness
    1:13:00 Moral/Ethical implications of Michael’s work
    1:19:00 Recognising higher order agents in human society
    Michael is not sure if bioelectricity can be extrapolated to human society


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    0:00 Introduction
    01:50 Michael’s question to Bernardo: Why did the universe dissociate?
    08:00 Diversity requires boundaries. Could cosmic boredom be a factor?
    12:20 The nature of memory and time: actively constructed or doorway through time?
    21:00 how memory is encoded in biological systems, and “bi-stable” perceptions: Michael on memory and perception in morphological space -
    32:10 Delocalised biology catches up with physics: this is how you change the world

    Michael Levin on Rupert Sheldrake
    37:20 A cure for cancer
    40:20 Planaria prove success is what you do with what you have: immortality, regeneration,.
    46:20 Implications: regenerate limbs, design your own body, understanding diverse intelligence
    52:10 A summary of where Bernardo and Michael agree and disagree

    How to determine the boundaries of conscious systems?
    Everything has an inner perspectives, but what are the boundaries of the thing

    A simulation is not the thing Richard Watson

    1:06:20 How to delineate the boundaries of a system empirically
    1:12:20 Your right hemisphere has opinions you have no idea about.
    1:18:20 Why training something may determine it’s intelligence and boundaries
    1:23:42 Bernardo: computer scientists don’t understand computers
    1:27:52 What is the causal relationship between bioelectricity and morphogenesis?
    Where is the information and patterns stored?
    Where do the patterns come from? (It’s not just natural selection.)
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    Michael Levin & Bernardo Kastrup in conversation, part 1
    https://youtu.be/OTPkmpNCAJ0?si=95b-YjtdKgf5it6v


    Michael Levin | Bernardo Kastrup Part 2 - With Reality in Mind
    https://youtu.be/RZFVroQOpAc?si=jsM-UTiIjhpUuJNm
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    We Are in a Post-Climate Change World | Aaron Bastani Meets Gaia Vince
    https://youtu.be/ftEKVSZk7qU?si=9DgsLjZztpoQJtgj
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    ESA - Mars Express radar data indicating heaps of water ice at Mars’s equator
    https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2024/01/Mars_Express_radar_data_indicating_heaps_of_water_ice_at_Mars_s_equator
    If melted, the ice locked up in the MFF would cover the entire planet in a layer of water 1.5 to 2.7 m deep
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    James Webb Spots Possible Signs of Life on Distant Planet
    https://futurism.com/the-byte/james-webb-possible-signs-life-distant-planet
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    Groundbreaking Research, Anthrobots, Hyper-Embryos | Michael Levin
    https://youtu.be/hG6GIzNM0aM?si=6I6pCk5OBpywsvoY
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    Bernado Kastrup - UAP & Non-Human Intelligence
    https://youtu.be/RhExWWbCZjc?si=ugw4uAfYk4ZlGBfV
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    ‘It only takes one to be real and it changes humanity for ever’: what if we’ve been lied to about UFOs? | Alien life | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/14/what-happens-if-we-have-been-visited-by-aliens-lied-to-ufos-uaps-grusch-congress
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    Reddit - Dive into anything
    https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/s/92mlY4rcyK

    Cool guide to the end of everything
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    CBMM10 Panel: Research on Intelligence in the Age of AI
    https://youtu.be/Gg-w_n9NJIE?si=S8J_yln0HwgLwhkk
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    UAPs and Non-Human Intelligence: What is the most reasonable scenario? ~ Bernardo Kastrup, PhD, PhD
    https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2024/01/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is.html?m=1

    I submit to you that the following tentative premises are justifiable: firstly, there is an engineered technology in our skies and oceans that is not human. The counterargument to this is, of course, that UAPs may be top-secret but very human military devices, often called ‘black technology.’ Yet, this seems to contradict much of what has been disclosed since 2017. The following passage from the testimony of CDR Fravor to Congress illustrates the point: representative Ms. Nancy Mace asked, “Many dismiss UAP reports as classified weapons testing by our own government. But in your experience as a pilot does our government typically test advanced weapons systems right next to multimillion-dollar jets without informing our pilots?” To which CDR Fravor responded: “No. We have test ranges for that.”

    Moreover, if UAPs such as the metallic spheres were black technology the US Department of Defence were trying to keep secret, it is hard to imagine why Dr. Kirkpatrick—an official of that very department—would publicize their existence and even declassify a video showcasing their size, form, flight capabilities, etc. Also, the fact that UAPs often seem to defy our understanding of physics doesn’t line up with the black-technologies hypothesis, as it would require not only the engineering to be secret, but also the very advancement of the human understanding of physics. This isn’t impossible, but isn’t very plausible either. Finally, it is difficult to imagine why such game-changing black technologies—which would have to have been around for at least as long as the UAP phenomenon itself—were never used in large and conspicuous scales to advance the geopolitical interests of any nation.

    Secondly, if there is non-human technology in our skies and oceans, then there must be Non-Human Intelligences (NHIs) active on our planet, engineering and controlling the UAPs. This does not imply that the NHIs are extra-terrestrial; it means simply that they aren’t human.

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    Two key conclusions from Dr. Vallée’s work are particularly pertinent to our challenge here. The first is that, based on countless witness reports, the phenomenon does not seem to make any distinction between physical and psychological effects; it produces both, as if they were mere facets of one and the same causative mechanisms. The boundaries we draw between the mental and the physical don’t seem to be observed by the phenomenon, which transits casually back and forth across the dividing line. Dr. Vallée acknowledges the undeniable physical aspect of the phenomenon—it can be filmed, tracked by radar and other sensors, emits measurable energy, often leaves physical footprints and vestiges behind, etc.—but adds that at least part of what the witnesses experience is “staged”: the UAP sometimes evokes archetypal, symbolic imagery directly in the witness’ mind to convey a feeling-laden metaphorical message, which transcends the objectively measurable characteristics of the phenomenon.

    Though Dr. Vallée had already come to this conclusion decades ago, recent investigations into secret US Department of Defence programmes on UAPs, by journalist Ross Coulthart, seem to confirm it (see pages 265-267 of Mr. Coulthart’s 2021 book, In Plain Sight). Stanford Professor Dr. Garry Nolan, perhaps the most respectable scientist to actively research the phenomenon, acknowledged Mr. Coulthart’s reporting on the matter. He went on to recount a specific UAP case that illustrates, perhaps better than any other, the UAPs’ ability to directly manipulate human perception: “[this is a] story that Jacques Vallée brought to me, of a family in France, driving down the highway. This was like in the last five or ten years [from June of 2022]. And they had a glass-topped car. They look up and they see a UFO, you know, basically paralleling them down the highway. The mother looks around and sees that no other individuals nearby are freaking out about this thing above them. The children in the back take out their cell phones, take a picture of it. They get home and they look at the pictures on their camera, and they don’t see an object [of the kind they thought they had witnessed]; they see a little star-shaped thing about thirty or so feet above, and I have the picture. That doesn’t look anything like a drone. … I think it has like seven spokes and a central hole of some sort. So, you’re left with this: they saw a giant craft, but the picture shows that it was nothing [like it] there. Nobody else could see it. So, even if it was an object that was there, others weren’t capable of seeing it, so it was manipulating vision” (my emphasis).

    The second pertinent conclusion from Dr. Vallée’s work is that the pattern of behaviour of UAPs is not consistent with the extra-terrestrial hypothesis (see chapter 9 of his book, Dimensions). Dr. Vallée estimated that, in a period of just twenty years, there have been about three million UAP landings. This is not consistent with visitations by beings from another planet for the purposes of surveying the Earth or researching its inhabitants (orders of magnitude less visits would have sufficed for these purposes); instead, the UAPs’ behaviour is precisely what one would expect if they were from here—and were simply going about their business. After all, there are many rare—and some not so rare—animal and plant species that human beings encounter a lot less frequently than 150.000 times per year, and they are undeniably terrestrial. In his interview with Mr. Coulthart, also Dr. Nolan expressed the view that UAPs are not extra-terrestrial.

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    The question now is, when were fossil hydrocarbons first available in large-enough quantities to fuel the initial growth of an ancient industrial civilisation? Dr. Schmidt and Dr. Frank estimate that this was already the case in the Carboniferous period, about 350 million years ago, which leaves us with a window of hundreds of millions of years for industrial NHIs—multiple different ones—to have developed on Earth.

    Notice that my claim here is not that it is likely that high-tech nonhuman civilisations have emerged on Earth before us; I cannot evaluate the probabilities involved. My claim is that, based on what we know, such civilisations are not impossible or inconsistent with the geological record. On the contrary: as Dr. Schmidt and Dr. Frank point out, the record shows several periods of global warming consistent with large-scale industrialization.

    Now, since we cannot visit an NHI city today, it is necessarily the case that, if such ancient terrestrial civilisations ever existed, they have largely died out—at least as far as the surface of the planet is concerned. This, however, is not implausible: as we know from our own case, civilisations can start, reach high-tech levels, and then be annihilated in a mere few thousand years. Indeed, although our civilisation is still going, we are painfully aware of how easily and quickly it can be brought to a swift end tomorrow, in a thermonuclear war, asteroid impact, climate collapse, a more deadly pandemic than the one we have just survived, etc.

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    Any culture once exposed to the magnitude of a planetary catastrophe will have a historical trauma transmitted down the generations through myth and storytelling, similarly to—but much more acutely than—how flood stories have survived since the end of the last ice age. Such a culture will be wary of the planet’s surface, for the latter is a notoriously exposed and volatile region: it undergoes far more extreme temperature swings then, say, the deep oceans and underground caves; it is prone to severe weather that can ruin crops and flood entire cities; it is exposed to irradiation from solar storms and other cosmic events, which can ruin technology and life; it is extremely vulnerable to comet and asteroid impact, as the dinosaurs found out; etc. And since such a post-apocalyptic culture would have been reduced to relatively few members, their requirements for living space would also be relatively modest. Depending on the surviving level of their technology, they could have made a home for themselves underwater or underground.

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    NHIs, by definition, don’t share such commonality with us. After all, they belong to a different species. Their cognition will almost certainly unfold with vastly different patterns and modalities. Even their logic may bear little resemblance to our own Aristotelian axioms. Moreover, their cultural context is bound to be entirely different from ours, leading to different empirical references: originally, they may not have had a cognitive category for, say, ‘car’ or understand the concept of a wheeled vehicle (for instance, if they are an aquatic species). It is naïve to expect that NHIs could learn our language as easily as a Chinese person can learn English. The underlying cognitive structures and references won’t line up; why should they?

    Nonetheless, this doesn’t mean that we and NHIs can never communicate. What it does mean is that achieving this feat will require an effort to enter each other’s cognitive inner space—literally. In other words, before they could communicate with us, they would have to gain direct access to, and manipulate, our abstract mental processes. This is not something that can be casually achieved in the way I can pick up Italian during a holiday.

    You will be closer to appreciating the difficulties if you think of whales: we know they have a language that scores higher in some relevant measures of complexity than our own. Yet, we can’t translate ‘Whalish’ into any human language, even though whales, just like us, are air-breathing, breast-feeding mammals.

    To really appreciate the difficulties we have to go beyond whales—close relatives of ours—and imagine that, say, praying mantises—ancient insects much less related to us than whales—would have some form of language, and that we would try to communicate with them. Now we’re getting closer to the mark, for the cognitive templates and inner logic of insectoids are bound to be very largely incommensurable with ours. The challenge here is not mere translation; to speak ‘Insectoidish’ one would have to enter the cognitive space of insectoids—i.e., enter their mind.

    Intellectual-level communication between more advanced terrestrial NHIs and us will require direct access to our cognitive processes. They will have to directly modulate our own abstract references and modes. In other words, they will have to convey their ideas to us by prompting our own mind to articulate those ideas to itself, using its own conceptual dictionary and grammatical structures. And because their message—a product of their own cognition, incommensurable with ours—is bound to not adequately line up with our grammar and conceptual menu, this articulation will per force have to be symbolic, metaphorical; it will have to point to the intended meaning, as opposed to embodying the intended meaning directly, or literally.

    There is plenty of clinical precedence for this in the literature of depth psychology. Analytical Psychology, for instance, maintains that the deeper, evolutionarily ancient, instinctive layer of our mind, for not having the language capabilities of the executive ego, speaks to us in dreams and visions through symbols, metaphors. It can’t tell us in English, for instance, that time is flowing while we procrastinate, so to prompt us to act. So it may, instead, trigger and modulate a dream in which we, say, accidentally drop our backpack in a fast-flowing river and watch helplessly as it floats away. If the deeper layer of our mind, for being phylogenetically primitive, is incapable of articulating the conceptual abstractions ‘time,’ ‘flow,’ and ‘procrastination,’ it can still point symbolically to its intended meaning; it can still confront us with imagery that evokes the same underlying feeling—a sense of urgency—that would have been evoked by the statement, “time is flowing while you procrastinate.” This is what intellectual-level communication looks like when the interlocutors do not have commensurable cognitive structures. And this is how we may expect NHIs to communicate with us, if they have the technology required to reach directly into our minds and manipulate our cognitive inner space.

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    Indeed, a different event of abiogenesis—there is no a priori reason why life must have arisen from non-life only once on Earth either—could have set a different biochemistry; one still capable of storing the organism’s body-plan, of constructing the organism’s building blocks (proteins, in our case), of metabolizing, and of passing the organism’s body-plan to the next generation via reproduction; yet one different from ours. This is acknowledged in biology in the hypothesis of a “shadow biosphere”: there may, in fact, be organisms on Earth with biochemistry different from ours, because they may be descendants from a different abiogenesis event; we haven’t detected them yet because we haven’t done a detailed biochemical analysis of most organisms on the planet.

    If even terrestrial organisms, which arose and evolved on this very planet, could have biochemistry distinct from ours, it stands to reason that organisms evolved in another planet, with different environmental conditions and chemical composition, are very unlikely to have the exact same biochemistry we do. That would require an implausible coincidence of literally cosmic proportions, even under the assumption of convergent evolution at the level of the phenotype (i.e., body form).

    Therefore, if the biologics in the freezers of the powers-that-be have the same biochemistry we do, I believe it is safe to assume that they are terrestrial; they are our older cousins—likely forever traumatised by earlier planetary cataclysms—and certainly not aliens.

    Another prediction of the ‘ultra-terrestrial’ hypothesis is this: the materials—say, the metals—used in the UAP craft should have isotope ratios compatible with an earthly origin, as opposed to one outside the solar system. If the powers-that-be are in possession of such craft, this shouldn’t be a difficult test to perform.


    Together, the two test results suggested above, if mutually consistent, should be conclusive.
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    Moon’s resources could be ‘destroyed by thoughtless exploitation’, Nasa warned | The moon | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/06/moons-resources-could-be-destroyed-by-thoughtless-exploitation-nasa-warned

    The aim of this extraterrestrial armada – largely funded through Nasa’s $2.6bn Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) initiative – is to survey the moon so that minerals, water and other resources can be extracted to build permanent, habitable bases there. These would later provide a springboard for manned missions to Mars.

    But astronomers have warned that an unrestricted rush to exploit the moon could cause irreparable damage to precious scientific sites. Gravitational wave research, black hole observations, studies to pinpoint life on tiny worlds that orbit distant stars, and other research could be jeopardised, they say.

    “The issue has become urgent,” Martin Elvis, of the Center for Astrophysics, Harvard & Smithsonian, told the Observer. “We need to act now because decisions made today will set the tone for our future behaviour on the moon.”

    This point was backed by astronomer Professor Richard Green, of the University of Arizona. “We are not trying to block the building of lunar bases. However, there are only a handful of promising sites there and some of these are incredibly precious scientifically. We need to be very, very careful where we build our mines and bases.”

    Later this month, a working group – recently set up by the International Astronomical Union and headed by Green – will meet UN officials to start negotiations that would, it is hoped, lead to a strengthening of legislation for protecting interplanetary resources. The 1967 Outer Space Treaty prevents nations from making territorial claims on celestial bodies, but says nothing about space mining and exploitation of resources, the journal Science warned recently
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    Peter Brannen: "Deep Time, Mass Extinctions, and Today" | The Great Simplification #103
    https://youtu.be/3l81C_11D7A?si=LjhLV-okjPdC6IM1
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    Scientists Simulated Runaway Greenhouse Effect and It's Horrifying
    https://futurism.com/the-byte/scientists-simulated-runaway-greenhouse-effect

    Co stačí ke zničení života na Zemi. Vědci popsali proces, který může změnit planetu z obyvatelné na mrtvou — ČT24 — Česká televize
    https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/clanek/veda/co-staci-ke-zniceni-zivota-na-zemi-vedci-popsali-proces-ktery-muze-zmenit-planetu-z-obyvatelne-na-344460

    Vědci poprvé v modelu ukázali, jak vypadá proměna klimatického systému planety, který může vést k rychlému vzniku podmínek, jež nejsou slučitelné s existencí života.

    Země je jediné místo ve vesmíru, kde se prokazatelně nachází život. Rozdíl mezi ní a jinými planetami Sluneční soustavy je na první pohled obrovský. Podle nové studie ale spočívá jen v několika málo stupních Celsia, které dělí naši planetu od osudu Venuše nebo Marsu.

    Tým astronomů z Ženevské univerzity dokázal nasimulovat celý průběh vývoje skleníkového efektu, který může změnit klima planety z idylického a pro život ideálního místa na místo zcela nehostinné a životu nepřátelské. Výsledky se dají využít pro pochopení vývoje vzdálených exoplanet u cizích hvězd, pro analýzu změn těles naší Sluneční soustavy, ale také jako varování před dopady klimatických změn na Zemi.

    Vědci v tomto výzkumu prokázali, že od počátečních fází procesu dochází k výrazným změnám struktury atmosféry a oblačnosti, což vede k téměř nezastavitelnému a velmi složitě zvratnému skleníkovému efektu. Na Zemi by k nastartování tohoto jevu a k tomu, aby se naše planeta stala neobyvatelnou, stačil globální nárůst průměrné teploty o pouhých několik desítek stupňů, který by následoval po mírném zvýšení sluneční svítivosti. Tyto výsledky vyšly v časopise Astronomy & Astrophysics.

    A terrifying glimpse into Earth's future: Scientists simulate a 'runaway greenhouse effect' - and say it could turn our planet into an uninhabitable HELL in just a few hundred years | Daily Mail Onlin...
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12880279/A-terrifying-glimpse-Earths-future-Scientists-simulate-runaway-greenhouse-effect-say-turn-planet-uninhabitable-HELL-just-years.html

    First exploration of the runaway greenhouse transition with a 3D General Circulation Model
    First exploration of the runaway greenhouse transition with a 3D General Circulation Model | Astronomy & Astrophysics (A&A)
    https://www.aanda.org/component/article?access=doi&doi=10.1051%2F0004-6361%2F202346936

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    2018 The biomass distribution on Earth
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1711842115
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    Nick Lane: The electrical origins of life
    https://youtu.be/FLaTU-t1CQM?si=uvNpx2Mz50nyADe2


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    “There's all sorts of problems with living on a surface protected only by an atmosphere,” he said. “But if you live in an ocean, going to another planet with an ocean is actually a pretty good thing.

    “If it's a water ocean, then a water ocean on another planet is going to be between the temperatures of 32 degrees Fahrenheit and 212 degrees Fahrenheit. So, the temperatures aren't going to change dramatically from ocean to ocean, going from one planet to another.”

    Pressures, too, will be more consistent between oceans of different planets. He added: “So you can actually find a nice place to hang out if that's the pressure you're used to. The main differences are going to be chemicals dissolved in the ocean.”

    For that reason, he said, it’s highly likely that alien life forms visiting our planet might choose to base themselves beneath the waves. Even if we were to ever make contact with them, though, he’d advise against touching an alien. Kevin explained: “The biology is probably very different. You don't want to touch them… your biology isn't compatible, so there's going to be all sorts of horrible chemical reactions.

    “You don't want to come in contact with their organic molecules,” he adds, “because you don’t know what kind of reactions you'd have.”

    Former NASA Scientist On Aliens Living In Earth’s Ocean
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAHc1heMZ_Y
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    EUCOM, AFRICOM, Space Force activate new service component command
    https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/EUCOM_AFRICOM_Space_Force_activate_new_service_component_command_999.html

    U.S. European Command, U.S. Africa Command and U.S. Space Force officially activated the U.S. Space Forces Europe and Africa component command at a ceremony in Ramstein, Germany, Dec. 8, 2023.

    USSPACEFOR-EURAF is the newest service component under EUCOM and AFRICOM with their permanent headquarters at Ramstein Air Base. EUCOM and AFRICOM are the latest combatant commands to establish a space component, following in the footsteps of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command and U.S. Central Command.

    "For Germany, the U.S. are the most important partner in developing and expanding space capabilities. The activation of the U.S. Space Forces Europe and Africa component at Ramstein Air Base emphasizes both the fast-growing military significance of the space domain and the importance of Germany as a reliable ally and base for the U.S. Armed Forces." said Boris Pistorius, the German Defense Minister "I am confident that this important step will strengthen our already excellent bilateral military partnership in space and accelerate our practical cooperation on this topic of strategic relevance."
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