TADEAS:
0:00 Introduction
1:40 What Bernardo appreciates in Michaels work
2:50 What Michael appreciates in Bernardo’s work.
3:55 How to tell what is conscious
10:00 Every cell does what neurons do: if brains produce consciousness maybe all cells do
12:00 A framework for types of mind
14:40 The continuum of agency: based on prediction and efficacious interaction
19:27 Bernardo’s: the boundaries of self
24:09 Bernardo: conscious computers are unlikely: things only exist conceptually
29:00 Michael: Goal seeking the best measure of consciousness: since there is no obvious place mechanical chemistry becomes cognitive life, and all life is a collection of nested selves
36:26 Bernardo: Individuality is epiphenomenal and can explain laboratory division of life
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LIFE VS IMITATIONS
39:54 Bernardo: Distinguish between what is natural and what is an imitation (a mannequin)
A Mannequin looks like a human because it is designed to look like one, but we can’t draw more correlations based on that. AI might seek certain goals because it was designed to by its creators, but equally we can’t draw further conclusions based on that.
42:13 Michael: gears and cogs could make life
46:00 Michael: Metabolism is a version of autopoiesis; self construction and the need to battle for energy
48:00 Agency must be determined by perturbative experiments, not casual observation.
50:58 Life identified by goal seeking behaviour
55:26 Bernardo praises the paradigm shift Michael introduces in recognising agents in nature
Michael recognises the alternative health community as having this paradigm without the mechanism. Bioelectrical networks the glue collections of cells.
1:00 Hypnosis/therapy may be mechanisms to intervene at higher order levels.
1:07:00 Recap of criteria for consciousness
1:13:00 Moral/Ethical implications of Michael’s work
1:19:00 Recognising higher order agents in human society
Michael is not sure if bioelectricity can be extrapolated to human society
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0:00 Introduction
01:50 Michael’s question to Bernardo: Why did the universe dissociate?
08:00 Diversity requires boundaries. Could cosmic boredom be a factor?
12:20 The nature of memory and time: actively constructed or doorway through time?
21:00 how memory is encoded in biological systems, and “bi-stable” perceptions: Michael on memory and perception in morphological space -
32:10 Delocalised biology catches up with physics: this is how you change the world
Michael Levin on Rupert Sheldrake
37:20 A cure for cancer
40:20 Planaria prove success is what you do with what you have: immortality, regeneration,.
46:20 Implications: regenerate limbs, design your own body, understanding diverse intelligence
52:10 A summary of where Bernardo and Michael agree and disagree
How to determine the boundaries of conscious systems?
Everything has an inner perspectives, but what are the boundaries of the thing
A simulation is not the thing Richard Watson
1:06:20 How to delineate the boundaries of a system empirically
1:12:20 Your right hemisphere has opinions you have no idea about.
1:18:20 Why training something may determine it’s intelligence and boundaries
1:23:42 Bernardo: computer scientists don’t understand computers
1:27:52 What is the causal relationship between bioelectricity and morphogenesis?
Where is the information and patterns stored?
Where do the patterns come from? (It’s not just natural selection.)