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    SPECTRECyber.Punk: The future is already here - it's just not evenly distributed
    ICE
    ICE --- ---
    no co si budem povidat.. jestlize hardware, tak jedine ve spojeni s zenskym rodem. :]]
    you pathetic insects! SHODAN
    OVERDRIVE
    OVERDRIVE --- ---
    wikidy... ale dyk je to jedno, nejak si stale nejsem jistej tim, co je to homosexualita a co je proste jenom dobre fungujici sexualni apetit ;]
    vzhledem k tomu ze pulku lidi tady bavi maso spojeny s mikrocipama, tak zrovna homosexualita cloveka, ktery vymyslel dokonalou abstrackio mi pripadne vazne jako dobre tema hovoru ;]]]]]
    GHIVERAN
    GHIVERAN --- ---
    KIE: Turing byl homosexual nejen podle knizky, ale i v realnem zivote;) U should read up on Ur history...

    viz wiki:
    Turing was homosexual[3] in a period when homosexual acts were illegal in Britain and homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness. In 1952, Arnold Murray, a 19-year-old recent acquaintance of his[14] helped an accomplice to break into Turing's house, and Turing went to the police to report the crime. As a result of the police investigation, Turing acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray, and they were charged with gross indecency under Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885. Turing was unrepentant and was convicted. He was given the choice between imprisonment and probation, conditional on him undergoing hormonal treatment designed to reduce libido. In order to avoid going to jail, he accepted the oestrogen hormone injections, which lasted for a year, with side effects including gynecomastia (breast enlargement). His conviction led to a removal of his security clearance and prevented him from continuing consultancy for GCHQ on cryptographic matters.

    On 8 June 1954, his cleaner found his lifeless body; the previous day, he had died of cyanide poisoning, apparently from a cyanide-laced apple he left half-eaten beside his bed. The apple itself was never tested for contamination with cyanide, and cyanide poisoning as a cause of death was established by a post-mortem. Most believe that his death was intentional, and the death was ruled a suicide. His mother, however, strenuously argued that the ingestion was accidental due to his careless storage of laboratory chemicals. Biographer Andrew Hodges suggests that Turing may have killed himself in this ambiguous way quite deliberately, to give his mother some plausible deniability.[15] Because Turing's homosexuality would have been perceived as a security risk, the possibility of assassination has also been suggested.[16] His remains were cremated at Woking crematorium on 12 June 1954.
    TACTIC
    TACTIC --- ---
    AVATAR: Ja se teda dost ztracim v ději teměř ve všem od Gibsona. Nektery povidky sem nebyl vubec schnopnej dočist. Casto sem vubec nevedel o kom zrovna v tu chvili piše a kde s dej odehrava.
    AVATAR
    AVATAR --- ---
    GHIVERAN: tak zrovna takova informace by me zajimala ze vseho nejmin o_O

    nicmene kryptonomikon prekladala Krejcova, ktera je kritizovana uz od svy prvni knizky (myslim, ze to byl snad nakej Gemmel), takze to, ze se KIE ztraci v deji je mozna taky trochu tim :D
    GHIVERAN
    GHIVERAN --- ---
    KIE: nahodou, krypto je fain knizka, cetl jsem ji teda par let z5 in English, ale zdala se mi dost ctiva(i kdyz celkem tlusta:) ... musim rict, ze ve me podnitila zajem o kryptografii a sifrovani je rozhodne soucast cyberpunku... a i kdyz je tam spousta 'valecne omacky', tak hlavni dejova linie se zabyva aktualnimi problemy digitalni komunikace...I simply liked it...stejne tak jako je Zodiac spise 'ekologicka' knizka nez cyberpunk, nese Crypto kus valecne historie, ale jako jsem treba pred prectenim ani netusil, ze Alan Turing byl homosexual, takze myslim, ze ani troska historie neuskodi;)
    VIR_KENNY
    VIR_KENNY --- ---
    VANEK: ja to ale necetl kvuli levicatsvi a politice, ale protoze se mi Egan opravdu libi. Kdybych vyzadoval politiku, ctu si noviny a sociologicky prace, tam je rudejch hodne.
    BUGSLE
    BUGSLE --- ---
    město permutací jsem od něj taky čet, to je skvělá kniha
    VANEK
    VANEK --- ---
    VIR_KENNY: Přečti si cyklus Fall revolution od Kena MacLeoda a to teprve něco uvidíš, je tam jak anarchokomunistická, tak anarchokapitalistická.

    OVERDRIVE: Axiomat. Plus Město permutací.

    AVATAR: Někde se mi válí anglicky Distress, Diaspora a Permutation City bez konce. Lepší to budeš mít v [ Elektronické knihy [eKnihy] - nadešel jejich čas? už jste nějakou četli? něco tu snad pro Vás máme...;-) ]
    VIR_KENNY
    VIR_KENNY --- ---
    ja vyuzil toho, ze jsem z Brna a tyhle knizky jsem si vsechny sehnal (pac je tu vydali) a to vetsinou co slo i dvakrat, abych mohl pujcovat a tim kazat pravdu i ostatnim.
    BUGSLE
    BUGSLE --- ---
    OVERDRIVE: sborník je axiomat, a to s tim schredingerem je Karantena, tu jedinou jsem od nej cet a docela se mi libila, teda dost:) až na nějaky fyzikalni pasaze
    AVATAR
    AVATAR --- ---
    OVERDRIVE: dekuju, v e-podobe asi nikdo nic, co? :(
    M0RF: konecne!
    OVERDRIVE
    OVERDRIVE --- ---
    AVATAR: http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/
    ale jinak u nas vysla Karantena, Diaspora, Axunomatic [axynomat?] a Uzkost.
    Nevzpomenu si ted, kera je takova ta s vernostnim cipem a sredingerovou kockou, typek dokaze vybart tu z relait kerou chce, nebo tak nejak... tak ta se mi nelibila ale zs jako napadu tam bylo dost.
    Uzkost je velmi velmi zajimava utopie a zaroven distopie, nebo jak se tomu rika. Uzasne, ten clovek se nejen zbavuje stareho extreme ostrou kritikou, ale zaroven vytvari nove a dovadi nove do dusledku az z toho trnou zuby.
    M0RF
    M0RF --- ---
    AVATAR: www.google.com
    AVATAR
    AVATAR --- ---
    kuci ja nemam gugl, hodte link :D
    VIR_KENNY
    VIR_KENNY --- ---
    OVERDRIVE: sranda je, ze uzkost je nejlepsi popis anarchisticke spolecnosti fungujici v realu, vsichni ti ostatni filosofove a chytrolini se muzou jit zahrabat..:o)
    )
    OVERDRIVE
    OVERDRIVE --- ---
    VIR_KENNY: souhlasim Egan je asi nejlepsi co jsem kdy k tematu cetl.
    BUGSLE
    BUGSLE --- ---
    VIR_KENNY: hlavne mi prislo ze je nudnej nekde uprostred a na me moc komplikovanje, cet jsem jen karantenu myslim
    VIR_KENNY
    VIR_KENNY --- ---
    BUGSLE: je to jako zjeveni - vzdycky kdyz jsem docital knihy jako Karantena, Diaspora nebo Uzkost, tak mne vyhodili z kavarny pac jsem juchal a delal za kazdym odstavcem "wouw, juuu, notyvoe" pac Egan je proste machr.
    BUGSLE
    BUGSLE --- ---
    VIR_KENNY: ta mi lezi doma a furt ne a ne mit naladu :)
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