no jo...vies ako to je ale...na nete najdes vsetko a uplnu pravdu vedia len ti, ktori za tym stoja...no nechajme sa prekvapit, stale este verim v ludsky pud sebazachovy, ked uz ludom bude moc zle, najde sa niekto, kto zorganizuje revoltu...a ked nie, tak sa mozme odstahovat na nejaky ten ostrov v pacifiku co nepatri pod ziaden stat, budeme si pestovat zemiaky a ganju a bude nam hej ;))

ale inak som odhodlany byt ked tak potom v disente a nechat za pre mna za mna aj "zmiznut" :) stejne by ten zivot potom nestal za nic :)

JAXXE: Ne, to byla prednaska tady v CR, takze "u nas" = v USA a "u vas" = tady :)

jj ja tam taky byl v 99 a ted bych tam nejel ani za nic.

beejbi: no to je taky mozne... ale pokud by to byla pravda, asi by neztraceli cas patriot actem, homeland security, IAO, mikrocipama atd... proste by si zavalcili kde by chteli, nastolili tam sve vlady a pak tam dali nakeho demokrata misto bushe a rekli sorry...

imho je evidentni, ze toho zneuzili nejen pro valky ve svete ale hlavne pro omezeni svobod lidi na celem svete... neni to imho nahoda ze unesli normalni komernci lety. takhle je duvod pro zavedeni bezprecedentnich opatreni na letistich, nove pasy, kamery vsude mozne, biometrika... v evrope se to zase stalo ve vlacich a ted se udajne prekazil pokus o atentat na stadionu v manchestru

imho proste nekdo chce at jsou bezpecnostni ramy, kamery a snimace na vsech verejnych mistech... a spokojeny bude teprve tehdy az bude povinny mikrocip v ruce.

kazdopadne to ze US politici jsou clenem uchylneho bratrstva skull and bones je fakt, spousta dalsich jsou freemasoni nebo bohemian groove, nekdy vse dohromady a neverim ,ze se filosofie tech spolecnosti a jejich cile nepromitaji do politiky kterou tihle lide delaji a do toho jake maji zivotni hodnoty

http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=bush+skull+and+bones&btnG=Search

hitler byl clenem thule, nemecke odnoze skull and bones, to je taky fakt...

http://www.google.com/search?q=hitler+thule&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

a co se tyka prvni svetove valky, tak gavrilo princip byl taky zednar

http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=gavrilo+princip+freemason&btnG=Search

typek, ktery vymyslel nastoleni noveho svetoveho radu skrze 3. svetove valky byl taky zednar, albert pike

jsou to nahody ?

http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=world+wars+albert+pike&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=world+wars+albert+pike+freemason&btnG=Search

hujer: u vas to je v USA ? ja tam mel ted v dubnu jet pracovne, ale uz tam nepachnu... ;) uplne mi to stacilo pred 11. zarim. ted to musi byt masakr

jo a teda neda mi este nieco nedodat...mozno by som za tym ani nevidel konspiraciu o ovladnuti sveta uchylnymi satanisticko-zvrhlo-nabozno-anarchisticko-bohvie-ako-inak uletenenych ludi, mozno si proste povedali ucel svati prostriedky, sme v ekonomickej a politickej krize, tak jebat nato, vojna a zbrojenie vzdy americku ekonomiku viac povzbudila ako znicila, navyse nasi kamosi ropni magnati to tiez ocenia, tak ich vsetkych pekne ojebeme...tak nejak ;)

beejbi: odporucam spionazni knizky od fredericka forsytha ... vyjednavac, den sakala, zelezna pest, spis odessa, atd

ztratis veskere iluze o tajnych sluzbach a zjistis ze tyhle veci jsou proste beznou naplni jejich prace... ;) taktika "false flag operation" se vzdy osvedcila

U nás to vypadá asi jako u vás před Sametovou revolucí. Čím dál tím víc fízlování, čím dál tím víc útoků na lidi, čím dál tím víc útoků na umělce – to vše pod záminkou „války proti terorismu“.

http://prague.indymedia.org/newswire/display/11344/index.php
http://prague.indymedia.org/newswire/display/11345/index.php

dve povidani k tematu od Jella Biafry, nekopiruji cele, nebot je to dost dlouhe.

jj putin vyhlasil valku proti teroru uz v 99 po tech fake utocich v moskve...

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JAXXE --- --- 15:48:11 13.5.2003

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/13/wruss13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/13/ixnewstop.html

jo no a k tomu som este chcel dodat, ze ked je niecoho takeho schopna ruska tajna sluzba, tak preco nie americka, imho medzi ruskymi a americkymi vladami je casto viac podobnosti ako rozdielov...a z historickeho hladiska sa pekne svinstva pachali tak v rusku ako aj v usa...

ta mi hovori aby som neveril ani sebe...ale v zasade mam tendenciu verit tomu, ze aj ked to vsetko vyzera velmi komplexne a zlozito, stejne je to jednoduche a jasne ako facka, len to nevidime :) ale teda verim minimalne tomu, ze co sa tyka napr 911, tak o tom vedeli predtym a
nezabranili tomu, mam tendenciu verit, ze tomu nezabranili umyselne...ale nevylucujem moznost, ze to spravili sami, len tie dokazy su stale prilis nejednoznacne...aj ked...predvcerom sme boli na one world festivale na filme "assassination of russia" - bol to film o teroristickych utokoch na obytne domy v roku 1999...a z neho jednoznacne vyplinulo, ze minimalne jeden utok, ten posledny nevydareny, s velkou pravdepodobnostou zorganizovala ruska FSB, ale nevie sa, ci to bola nejaka frakcia vnutri organizacie, alebo ci slo o akciu planovanu z najvyssich kruhov...huste...fakt mazec

a co rika tva intuice ? ;)

no ja netvrdim, ze niekomu nieco vnucujes...ja som len spochybnoval ten clanok...a inak suhlas...

a ako sa tak pekne hovori: bez vanku sa ani listok na strome nepohne :) takze na tom vsetkom co je v tomto klube urcite aspon zlomok pravdy bude...a to je dolezite...problem je v tom, ze ja neverim nicomu :) nie na 100%

no chtel jsem tim rict, ze stejne nakonec uveris tomu, cemu verit chces, nehlede na fakta... a pouzil jsme k tomu ten jednoduchy citat, protoze to bylo nejjednodussi ;)

wilson ale pronesl jeste jednu zajimavou vetu:

information si the difference that makes the difference

takze kazda ta informace co tu je zase ovlivnuje to cemu chces verit
pripadne ukazuje cemu bys mohl zacit verit. ten nazor si ale udelas ty sam. ja nikomu zadny nazor, jak to bylo, vnucovat nechci. jen se snazim shromazdit informace ;)

pokud by ale 10 procent z nich bylo pravdivych, oficialni verze by mela vazne trhliny a pak by se stala de facto "konspiracni teorii" protoze s realitou nemela nic spolecneho ;))

JAXXE: nojo nojo, nemam rad tieto univerzalne prislovia, to potom clovek tazko nieco zargumetnuje...alebo naopak velmi lahko :)

beejbi: what the thinker thinks, prover proves ... ;)

no jo, pentagon je velmi podozrivy...al ja len poukazujem nato, ze vestko treba brat s rezervou..

BEEJBI: A kde jsou trosky treba toho Boeingu od Pentagonu? A kde jsou tela? ;) Vsechno je pravdepodobnejsi, nez oficialni verze...

no k tym videam, ako vobec nie je tazke na kompe dorobit do videa maly zablesk pod trupom lietadla, takze sa tomu neda verit o niv viac nez oficialnej verzii imho....

MI5 let al Qaida in, says Shayler

18th April 2004

security bosses let thousands of al Qaida members into the UK during the 1990s, former spy David Shayler has claimed.

The renegade ex-MI5 agent, who was jailed for selling top secret documents to a newspaper, also claimed some of the terrorists were granted British citizenship in an amazing blunder by his former bosses.

"In the early 1990s MI5 was very slow to get to grips with al Qaida," Shayler said in a TV interview.

"Despite repeated warnings they let in thousands of al Qaida members into this country who are all still here.

"Some of whom have gained British citizenship, which makes it very difficult to expel them." Middlesbrough-born Shayler revealed his fears on the ITV1 Tyne Tees programme The Sunday Interview.

He based his claims on information from French security service officials, who Shayler said, warned their British counterparts that al Qaida terrorists were trying to get into the country.

In 2002 he was jailed for risking British agents' lives by his "blinkered arrogance".

An Old Bailey jury convicted him of three charges under the Official Secrets Act after selling top secret documents, which were packed with names of agents, to a newspaper for £40,000.

He claimed he was a whistleblower trying to expose corruption and incompetence in the secret service.

But he remains convinced the UK is under great threat from an attack by Osama bin Laden's feared terror group.

http://www.femail.co.uk/pages/standard/article.html?in_article_id=211629&in_page_id=2

urcite si pustte videa na tehle strance

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042004podmissile.htm



Eyewitness: 'I Saw Missile Hit the World Trade Center'

Seems like he had a pretty good view too. Read the commentary below for more analysis. This clip is from the Naudet Brothers' Video.

Were 'Pod Missiles' Used in the World Trade Center Attack?

Paul Joseph Watson | April 20 2004

Several websites have garnered worldwide attention recently for exposing apparent evidence of a 'pod missile' which was fired from Flight 175 before it hit the WTC South Tower.

In my book, Order Out of Chaos, which was written over a year ago and published in August 2003, I cited the research of Leonard Spencer and featured a discussion of the use of missiles, specifically in the case of Flight 11, which hit the North Tower,

The story of the 'Fireman's Video' is well known. Two French filmmakers, the Naudet Brothers, were in New York on September 11 making a documentary about the New York Fire Service. The footage shows that, while filming in Canal Street, firemen and crew are distracted by a plane flying low overhead. The camera operator instinctively turns his camera towards the North Tower and, for little more than a second or so, we get a clear view of the plane crashing into the tower. It is a precious, priceless second. It is the one-second of video that really makes the sinister Bush junta nervous. It really gives them nightmares. They really didn't want a professional cameraman to catch that moment on broadcast-quality tape.

If you've got it on tape I strongly suggest you take another look at it, with the pause and frame-forward buttons at the ready. If you don't have it taped you can purchase the documentary in which it appears on video and DVD. It's called simply '9/11'.

When seen at full speed, you might first of all think that there isn't a great deal to see. There's half a second or so when we see the plane flying through the air then it smashes into the tower, creating an explosion and leaving a great gash across the building. Notice though that immediately before it hits the building the plane emits a brief, bright flash. Notice too that the scar it leaves on the building is rather larger than seems appropriate for the size of the aircraft.

Watch carefully what happens as the plane approaches and crashes into the tower. I leave you to come to your own conclusions about what you see (watch it over and over again, backwards and forwards), but I'll tell you what I see. Immediately before the plane strikes it fires a missile that blows a hole in the building's façade. This is the cause of that brief flash. The plane then begins to disappear neatly into this hole, leaving no wing impressions. (A plane disappearing into a hole? Where have I heard that before; wasn't there something about a plane at the Pentagon?) Just before it disappears however it fires two more missiles from somewhere near its tail. One goes to the left, one to the right (and up a bit) and it is the blast holes from these three separate missiles that form the great gash across the building.