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    GORGworld conspiracy // 911 // new world order ... part 3 :: Love your local Illuminati :)
    BILLY_STYX
    BILLY_STYX --- ---
    ah sorry , don t read all again , just find the club,,
    TANTRAMAN
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    BILLY_STYX: i ordered dvd. i´ll make a grab from dvd a paste it on public ftp server.
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    Inside the secretive Bilderberg Group

    How much influence do private networks of the rich and powerful have on government policies and international relations? One group, the Bilderberg, has often attracted speculation that it forms a shadowy global government. As part of the BBC's Who Runs Your World? series, Bill Hayton tries to find out more.




    Bilderberg chairman Viscount Davignon

    Bilderberg's head Viscount Davignon plays down the group's role in setting the international agenda

    The chairman of the secretive - he prefers the word private - Bilderberg Group is 73-year-old Viscount Etienne Davignon, corporate director and former European Commissioner.

    In his office, on a private floor above the Brussels office of the Suez conglomerate lined with political cartoons of himself, he told me what he thought of allegations that Bilderberg is a global conspiracy secretly ruling the world.

    "It is unavoidable and it doesn't matter," he says. "There will always be people who believe in conspiracies but things happen in a much more incoherent fashion."

    Lack of publicity

    In an extremely rare interview, he played down the importance of Bilderberg in setting the international agenda. "What can come out of our meetings is that it is wrong not to try to deal with a problem. But a real consensus, an action plan containing points 1, 2 and 3? The answer is no. People are much too sensible to believe they can do that."


    There need to be places where these people can think about the main challenges ahead, co-ordinate where policies should be going, and find out where there could be a consensus
    Professor Kees van der Pijl

    Every year since 1954, a small network of rich and powerful people have held a discussion meeting about the state of the trans-Atlantic alliance and the problems facing Europe and the US.

    Organised by a steering committee of two people from each of about 18 countries, the Bilderberg Group (named after the Dutch hotel in which it held its first meeting) brings together about 120 leading business people and politicians.

    At this year's meeting in Germany, the audience included the heads of the World Bank and European Central Bank, Chairmen or Chief Executives from Nokia, BP, Unilever, DaimlerChrysler and Pepsi - among other multi-national corporations, editors from five major newspapers, members of parliament, ministers, European commissioners, the crown prince of Belgium and the queen of the Netherlands.

    "I don't think (we are) a global ruling class because I don't think a global ruling class exists. I simply think it's people who have influence interested to speak to other people who have influence," Viscount Davignon says.

    Bill Clinton
    Bill Clinton was featured at a Bilderberg meeting while he was governor of Arkansas
    "Bilderberg does not try to reach conclusions - it does not try to say 'what we should do'. Everyone goes away with their own feeling and that allows the debate to be completely open, quite frank - and to see what the differences are.

    "Business influences society and politics influences society - that's purely common sense. It's not that business contests the right of democratically-elected leaders to lead".

    For Bilderberg's critics the fact that there is almost no publicity about the annual meetings is proof that they are up to no good. Jim Tucker, editor of a right-wing newspaper, the American Free Press for example, alleges they organise wars and elect and depose political leaders. He describes the group as simply 'evil'. So where does the truth lie?

    Professor Kees van der Pijl of Sussex University in Britain says such private networks of corporate and political leaders play an informal but crucial role in the modern world.

    "There need to be places where these people can think about the main challenges ahead, co-ordinate where policies should be going, and find out where there could be a consensus."

    'Common sense'

    Will Hutton, an economic analyst and former newspaper editor who attended a Bilderberg meeting in 1997, says people take part in these networks in order to influence the way the world works, to create what he calls "the international common sense" about policy.


    Business influences society and politics influences society - that's purely common sense
    "On every issue that might influence your business you will hear at first-hand the people who are actually making those decisions and you will play a part in helping them to make those decisions and formulating the common sense," he says.

    And that "common sense" is one which supports the interests of Bilderberg's main participants - in particular free trade. Viscount Davignon says that at the annual meetings, "automatically around the table you have internationalists" - people who support the work of the World Trade Organisation, trans-Atlantic co-operation and European integration.

    Bilderberg meetings often feature future political leaders shortly before they become household names. Bill Clinton went in 1991 while still governor of Arkansas, Tony Blair was there two years later while still an opposition MP. All the recent presidents of the European Commission attended Bilderberg meetings before they were appointed.

    'Secret Government'

    This has led to accusations that the group pushes its favoured politicians into high office. But Viscount Davignon says his steering committee are simply excellent talent spotters. The steering committee "does its best assessment of who are the bright new boys or girls in the beginning phase of their career who would like to get known."

    "It's not a total accident, but it's not a forecast and if they go places it's not because of Bilderberg, it's because of themselves," Viscount Davignon says.

    But its critics say Bilderberg's selection process gives an extra boost to aspiring politicians whose views are friendly to big business. None of this, however, is easy to prove - or disprove.

    Observers like Will Hutton argue that such private networks have both good and bad sides. They are unaccountable to voters but, at the same time, they do keep the international system functioning. And there are limits to their power - a point which Bilderberg chairman was keen to stress, "When people say this is a secret government of the world I say that if we were a secret government of the world we should be bloody ashamed of ourselves."

    Informal and private networks like Bilderberg have helped to oil the wheels of global politics and globalisation for the past half a century. In the eyes of critics they have undermined democracy, but their supporters believe they are crucial to modern democracy's success. And so long as business and politics remain mutually dependent, they will continue to thrive.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4290944.stm
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    BALI "SUICIDE-BOMBERS" CAUGHT ON CAMERA

    Investigators are hunting right now for the "masterminds" of three bombings - conviniently labeled as "suicide"-bombings - on Bali hoping to identify the bombers using photographs of their severed heads circulating in newspapers nationwide.

    Do you have some heads on stock?

    Besides, one of the bombers was caught on camera by a tourist who was filming the events at the steakhouse in Kuta. It shows a man with a rucksack, passing by the guests, adjusting his sack and dissapearing out of view.

    Than a bang.

    Another suspect went - and this is strange - towards the lesser crowded space to the backside of the restaurant where his bomb exploded too - killing only one person - probably a waiter. Why didn't the alleged "suicide-bomber" stay where he could have made much more atrocities? Didn't he knew of his "heavy burden" in his rucksack?

    Quite possibly this was a similar proceeding as those bombings in London on 777 where most probably the "suicide-bombers" didn't knew of their fate as well - before it was too late.

    According to AP - "...Mbai also said police believe the bombs, which were packed with ball bearings to inflict maximum damage over a wide area, were detonated by mobile phone..."

    As you can see from the previous articles (links below) the mobile net was shut off on Bali immediately after the first explosions - so preventing additional blasts...

    See:

    AP: SUICIDE BOMBERS KILL 25 IN BALI ATTACKS
    hobie -- Sunday, 2 October 2005, 1:21 a.m.
    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=79507

    *NO* SUICIDE BOMBERS-MOBILE TRIGGERED DEVICES...
    FarSight3 -- Sunday, 2 October 2005, 5:14 a.m.
    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=79514

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=79549

    The Bali Police admit the bombs were detonated by remote control, so why did there have to be "suicide" bombers, and why did one of them walk AWAY from the crowds just before his bomb exploded?

    Was this another London, where "actors" were hired to take part in a "terror drill" ?
    PETVAL
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    BILLY_STYX: the 1962 topic is covered here, just filter the keyword Northwoods
    ONDREX
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    http://www.czechcore.cz/index.php?w=10&kod_rew=5076

    ZMRDI ZKURVENÝ se hrnou do PRAHY :!
    BILLY_STYX
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    TANTRAMAN:

    i don t understand good cz , but here you can find an old conspiracy was previous to be organised by us in 1962 to take place around Guatanamo and Cuba, check the similar idea and compare it to 9,11,
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

    and here RUMSFELD speech ON 9/11

    In his private dining room to U.S. Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif minutes before the attack.
    "He said, 'Let me tell ya, I've been around the block a few times. There will be another event.' And he repeated it for emphasis," Cox said. "And within minutes of saying that, his words proved tragically prophetic."


    Interview with Lyric Wallwork Winik, Parade Magazine Friday, Oct. 12, 2001.
    "Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center."

    Christmas Eve address to U.S. troops in Baghdad.
    In the speech, Rumsfeld made a passing reference to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to stop al Qaeda hijackers. But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."

    TANTRAMAN
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    BILLY_STYX: tak jsem si to objednal, určitě poreferuju. grabnu a vystavím na veřejně dostupném ftp.
    BILLY_STYX
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    available dvd about 911 investigation, just send stamp and get free dvd offert by the milionnar M. Walter , already 350 000 sold in usa
    order from reopen911.org.



    GORG
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    Don't blame the government...
    Posted by: Damon Rios
    Posted on: záøí 28, 2005, 11:33 dop. PDT
    Story: FBI to get veto power over PC software?
    Blame yourself. When you choose security over freedom, this is what you get. I live in NY and saw my city attacked, but I would gladly live in fear of terrorists, as opposed to living in fear of my government (which I am doing now, after reading this article). My Political Science professor repeatedly said that if you give the government power, it will use it. Everyone clamored for the government to do something about the terrorists, gave them unlimited power to do so, and know is complaining. I started complaining about the Patriot Act when it was passed, because I saw this coming when a list of the library books that I read became subject to subpeona.

    NY has a lot of tall buildings, all of which I would gladly watch collapse, if that is what it takes to have my freedom.

    http://news.com.com/5208-12-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=9910&messageID=72079&start=-147
    GORG
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    S. 517: A bill to establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-517
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    US forces 'out of control', says Reuters chief
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1580244,00.html
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    FBI to get veto power over PC software?

    The Federal Communications Commission thinks you have the right to use software on your computer only if the FBI approves.

    No, really. In an obscure "policy" document released around 9 p.m. ET last Friday, the FCC announced this remarkable decision.

    According to the three-page document, to preserve the openness that characterizes today's Internet, "consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement." Read the last seven words again.

    The FCC didn't offer much in the way of clarification. But the clearest reading of the pronouncement is that some unelected bureaucrats at the commission have decreeed that Americans don't have the right to use software such as Skype or PGPfone if it doesn't support mandatory backdoors for wiretapping. (That interpretation was confirmed by an FCC spokesman on Monday, who asked not to be identified by name. Also, the announcement came at the same time as the FCC posted its wiretapping rules for Internet telephony.)

    Nowhere does the commission say how it jibes this official pronouncement with, say, the First Amendment's right to speak freely, not to mention the limited powers granted the federal government by the U.S. Constitution.

    What's also worth noting is that the FCC's pronunciamento almost tracks the language of the 1996 Telecommunications Act. Almost.

    But where federal law states that it is the policy of the United States to preserve a free market for Internet services "unfettered by federal or state regulation," the bureaucrats have adroitly interpreted that to mean precisely the opposite of Congress said. Ain't that clever?

    Posted by Declan McCullagh

    http://news.com.com/2061-10804_3-5884130.html?tag=nefd.aon
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    This is Walter Wolfgang, a member of the Labour Party since before Tony Blair was born, and a fugitive from Nazi Germany where he lost his family. He was manhandled out of the Labour party conference by 'security' thugs and later held under the anti-terrorism act. His crime? Shouting 'nonsense' during a speech on Iraq.



    This is Blair's Britain, as it is Bush's America, a fascist state in all but name where dissent is crushed and the pathetic sycophants cheer on demand.



    'An 82-year-old Jewish fugitive from Nazi Germany who lost family in the Holocaust, Walter Wolfgang knows a thing or two about how freedom of speech is suppressed. He learned a little more yesterday when he was manhandled by Labour goons at the party conference for daring to shout 'nonsense' at Jack Straw's used car salesman's weasel words on Iraq. Time was when heckling was the lifeblood of politics in Britain but yesterday's scenes would not have been out of place in North Korea, with Mr Wolfgang even being detained briefly under anti-terror laws.'

    http://www.davidicke.com/icke/headlines.php

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_page_id=1787&in_article_id=363795
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    THE AGENDA ROLLS ON: EU WINS POWER TO JAIL NATIONAL CITIZENS ... COURT JUDGEMENT STRIKES AT THE HEART OF NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY

    'The EU has been given the power to compel the national courts of its 25 Member States to fine or imprison people for breaking EU laws, even if a country's own Government and Parliament are opposed to that.

    An unprecedented ruling yesterday by the EU Court of Justice in Luxembourg gives Brussels the power to introduce harmonised criminal law across the EU, creating for the first time a body of European criminal law that all Member States must adopt. The judgment by the EU supreme court was opposed by 11 EU Governments - Ireland, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands, Germany, France,the UK, Spain, Portugal and Greece.'

    http://www.free-europe.org/blog/english.php?itemid=291
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