THE_SON_OF_MAN: Nikdo taky neprokazal, ze homosexualita vrozena neni. Souhlasim s tim, ze je to jedna z moznych teorii, dle meho nazoru nejpresvedcivejsich a ve vedecke komunite asi neprijatelnejsich. Nejedna se tedy o lez, ale o vedecky nazor. Sam uznavas, ze je to jedna z moznych teorii a ze se nevi, cim je zpusobena, tak o tom, prosim, nehovor jako o lzi. To jen abych uvedl veci na pravou miru.

S tim genem, no on mozna objeven byl, pise o tom Dean Hamer: HAMER, Dean H., et al. A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation. Science. 6 1993, roč. 261, čís. 5119, s. 321-7.

I kdyby "gay gen" neexistoval, mohla by homosexualita byt zapricinena urcitou genovou kombinaci, minoritne se vyskytujici v zivocisne risi, tedy i u cloveka. O geneticke predispozici k homosexualite pise Zietch a Morley: Zietsch, B., Morley, K., Shekar, S., Verweij, K., Keller, M., Macgregor, S., et al. (November 2008). "Genetic factors predisposing to homosexuality may increase mating success in heterosexuals". Evolution and Human Behavior 29 (6): 424–433.

No, na tom se neshodnem evidentne, ale to nevadi. Dejme tomu ze vrozena neni. Shodnem se na tom, ze je nezavinena? Obhajci "nevrozenosti" argumentuji psychickymi predispozicemi, vychovou a vlivem okoli na dite. Takze pokud se homosexualni nerodi, tlak okoli a dalsi faktory zpusobi, ze si v prubehu dospivani zacina uvedomovat, ze je jine. Tedy za to nemuze. Proc by melo byt neco, za co clovek nemuze, oznacovano jako deviantni? A proc by proti tomu mel bojovat? I kdyby homosexualita nebyla vrozena, neni otazkou volby...

Takze abych to shrnul, drtiva vetsina odborne verejnosti se dnes shodne na tom, ze homosexualita je trvala, nezmenitelna, nezpusobena a hlavne nezavinena vlastnost. A hlavne nelecitelna. Tu nelecitelnost mimochodem pred nedavnem pekne ilustroval (dnes jiz byvaly) predseda nejake krestanske organizace pro leceni homosexuality svym priznanim, ze je gay... :) Nevidim duvod, proc by proti ni mel krestan bojovat.

Neco jineho je ovsem homosexualismus a sexualni exhibovani na verejnosti. Ja tvrdim, ze sexualni orientace je soukroma zalezitost, ktera by nemela byt exhibovana na verejnosti. Ale taky zalezitost, do ktere by nemel nikdo nikomu nic kecat. A uz vubec ne cirkev...

THE_SON_OF_MAN: Aaaale, ani ne, já tohle téma zase tak nehrotím. Ptal jsem se jenom proto, že to vypadalo, jako by Tě zarazily ty dva doktoráty... to znám ze staré Jednoty bratrské... odpor k vzdělání...

THE_SON_OF_MAN: Nebo mas snad na mysli pasaz, kdy Jezis uzdravi SLUZEBNIKA onoho setnika? O milci tam neni ani slovu....
In Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10, Jesus heals a centurion's servant who is dying. According to James Neill, the Greek term "pais" used for the servant[42] almost always had a sexual connotation.[43] According to Daniel A. Helminiak, it only "sometimes" was given this meaning.[44] Donald Wold states that its normal meaning is "boy", "child" or "slave" and its application to a boy lover escapes notice in the standard lexica of Liddell and Scott and Bauer.[45] In her detailed study of the episode in Matthew and Luke, Wendy Cotter dismisses as very unlikely the idea that the use of the Greek word "pais" indicated a sexual relationship between the centurion and the young slave.[46] Neill himself compares the meanings of Greek "pais" to those of French "garçon", which, though also used to mean "waiter", "most commonly means 'boy'". In support of his view that Greek "pais" on the contrary most often means a young male lover, he says that it is "the" root of the English word "pederasty", while at the same time indicating that the English word is derived also from Greek "erasthai" (to love).[43] He sees in the fact that the boy is described[47] as "valued highly" by the centurion an indication of a homosexual relationship between the two, and says that the Greek word "doulos" (a slave) used of him in Luke's account of the episode suggests he may have been a sex slave.[43] Others interpret "pais" merely as a boy servant, not a male lover, and read nothing sexual into "valued highly".
The Bible and homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality

COCKROACH: No, mně zase uniká ta tvoje argumentace zvířaty. Obrazem Božím je mimochodem nejen duše, ale celý člověk, tedy i tělo.

CHOMI: A to je argument, ktery ma rict co? Ano, clovek jakozto duse je obrazem Bozim. A co ma byt? Tady jde o to, ze biologicky se od zvirat v podstate nijak nelisime. Pokud je v prirode homosexualita biologicky prirozena, byt mensinova, je nanejvys logicke, ze se bude vyskytovat i u nejvyspelejsiho primata, cloveka. Souhlasim, ze jsme obraz Bozi...a? Nejak nevidim zadnou souvislost s biologicky podminenou sexualni orientaci...

HARALD: Presne tak :)