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    TOXICMANElon Musk respektive jeho firmy SpaceX (Falcon / Heavy / Dragon / Starship), Tesla, Starlink, Neuralink, Boring, xAI
    Oběžník pana ředitele:
    Existuje tu klub [Twitter - rychloblogy] ... kdo chce každodenně debatovat o této síti, postovat třeskutě vtipná meme, doporučuju se přesunout tam, tady nechám fakt minimum.
    rozbalit záhlaví
    VOYTEX
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    filtr mlčí, ono tu nebylo pokračování Neuralink hororu? VOYTEX:

    Elon bral státní dotace na týrání opic, ale s University of California–Davis odmítají vydat dokumentaci pokusů.

    How Neuralink Keeps Dead Monkey Photos Secret | WIRED
    https://www.wired.com/story/neuralink-uc-davis-monkey-photos-videos-secret/



    The tan macaque with the hairless pink face could do little more than sit and shiver as her brain began to swell. The California National Primate Center staff observing her via livestream knew the signs. Whatever had been done had left her with a “severe neurological defect,” and it was time to put the monkey to sleep. But the client protested; the Neuralink scientist whose experiment left the 7-year-old monkey’s brain mutilated wanted to wait another day. And so they did.

    As the attending staff sat back and observed, the monkey seized and vomited. Her pupils reacted less and less to the light. Her right leg went limp, and she could no longer support the weight of her 15-pound body without gripping the bars of her cage. One attendant moved a heat lamp beside her to try to stop her shaking. Sometimes she would wake and scratch at her throat, retching and gasping for air, before collapsing again, exhausted.

    An autopsy would later reveal that the mounting pressure inside her skull had deformed and ruptured her brain. A toxic adhesive around the Neuralink implant bolted to her skull had leaked internally. The resulting inflammation had caused painful pressure on a part of the brain producing cerebrospinal fluid, the slick, translucent substance in which the brain sits normally buoyant. The hind quarter of her brain visibly poked out of the base of her skull.

    On September 13, 2018, she was euthanized, records obtained by WIRED show. This episode, regulators later acknowledged, was a violation of the US Animal Welfare Act; a federal law meant to set minimally acceptable standards for the handling, housing, and feeding of research animals. There would be no consequences, however.

    ...
    Missing from the veterinary records released by the university are hundreds of photographs taken by the primate center’s staff between 2018 and 2020 of Neuralink’s test subjects. Though publicly funded, thus bound by California’s open records law, UC Davis has fought disclosure of the photographs for more than a year. Releasing them, it says, would not serve the public’s interest.

    Meanwhile, videos of the experiments have seemingly vanished. Documents obtained by WIRED show that the primate center’s staff wrote about reviewing a “tape” of the aforesaid monkey hours before they stopped her heart. The school has not acknowledged that such a tape exists, and Neuralink, whose partnership with the school ended three years ago, was permitted to store its own footage and remove it from the property when it wished.

    ...
    Macaques procured for Neuralink from UC Davis’ colony were trained months and even years before going under the knife, a former Neuralink employee recently told WIRED. But the prospect for survival was abysmal for some, they say, due in part to “poor planning and poor procedure.” Early on, the Neuralink researcher says, the company lacked personnel crucial to the operation. “We didn’t have any surgical techs. We didn’t even have a veterinary pathologist on staff at the time.”
    ...
    Internal emails reviewed by WIRED show that Neuralink, founded and owned by Elon Musk, had tight control over what UC Davis was allowed to divulge about the experiments. Interviews with sources familiar with the tests shed light on the tensions between the school and outside groups over the public’s right to know about research it’s subsidizing.

    ...
    Emails obtained by WIRED through a public records request show Davis’s staff scrambling in February 2018—the earliest days of the partnership—to get Neuralink’s equipment up and running. The university had agreed to provide the firm with a dedicated on-site network with a secure uplink to a remote facility. In one email, a faculty member noted that Neuralink had been warned against “live streaming” or producing any “recording of actual monkeys.” Asked if the same rules would apply after Neuralink’s equipment was set up, another Davis official said once installed “they can do whatever they want.”

    ...
    Hundreds of files remain under lock and key—including photographs of the neurological damage that resulted from Neuralink’s work with the macaques. The experiments involved drilling a hole roughly the size of a US dime into the monkey’s skulls, placing electrodes inside their brains, and screwing titanium plates to their skulls. UC Davis says the value of the photos of these operations now lies exclusively in “informing future research and clinical practices,” or what it calls “the refinement of surgical techniques.”

    In October 2022, the Physicians Committee sued UC Davis—a public institution, funded in part by US taxpayers—in an attempt to gain access to records of Neuralink’s work. The Physicians Committee, which aims to promote alternatives to animal testing, has many detractors in the scientific community. The American Medical Association, which supports the use of animals in biomedical research, is one of the largest.

    The Physicians Committee has argued in California state court that the public has the right to know about any suffering resulting from taxpayer-funded animal tests. “Disclosure of the footage is particularly important because Neuralink actively misleads the public about, and downplays the gruesome nature of, the experiments,” Corey Page, an attorney with Evans and Page who is representing the Physicians Committee in the lawsuit, tells WIRED.

    ...
    In veterinary records reviewed by WIRED, Davis has consistently censored the names of all of its staff, including those at director level. The university has even redacted identifying information about the animals, including their names and other identifiable information.

    ...
    Neuralink ended its partnership with UC Davis in September 2020, but the Physicians Committee claims that it continues to employ the same neurosurgeon and many of the staff responsible for the experiments that poisoned, maimed, and ultimately killed at least 12 macaque monkeys.

    Last month, the company announced that it is preparing to start human trials after receiving a green light from the US Food and Drug Administration. Since ending its partnership with Davis, Neuralink has brought its testing in-house—far from the prying eyes of journalists, animal welfare groups, and the jurisdiction whose records law first shed light on its practices.
    PATISLAV
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    VOYTEX: on je proste, mimojine, patologicky lhar. Nestesti patologickych lharu s nadprumernou inteligenci je v tom, ze v tom umi tak dobre vhodit, ze to vetsina lidi nikdy neprokoukne. Ale tvl, tohle uz je Bond villain level.
    MAWRHIS
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    VOYTEX: to musí bejt labůžo pracovní prostředí. Si musej připadat jak v nějakym dystopickym filmu ti vědci tam. (nedělám si tedy iluze, že by laboratoř neuralinku byla jeidné takové místo pod sluncem)
    QWWERTY
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    VOYTEX: sorry :))

    VOYTEX
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    totalni psychopat lvl Dr Strughold

    The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink’s Monkeys Actually Died | WIRED
    https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/

    Elon Musk says no primates died as a result of Neuralink’s implants. A WIRED investigation now reveals the grisly specifics of their deaths as US authorities have been asked to investigate Musk’s claims.
    ...
    The documents include veterinary records, first made public last year, that contain gruesome portrayals of suffering reportedly endured by as many as a dozen of Neuralink’s primate subjects, all of whom needed to be euthanized.
    ...
    UC Davis veterinary records cited by the Physicians Committee—which WIRED also obtained through a subsequent California public records request—chronicle a battery of complications that developed following procedures involving electrodes being surgically implanted into monkeys’ brains. The complications include bloody diarrhea, partial paralysis, and cerebral edema, a condition colloquially known as “brain swelling.”

    For example, in an experimental surgery that took place in December 2019, performed to determine the “survivability” of an implant, an internal part of the device “broke off” while being implanted. Overnight, researchers observed the monkey, identified only as “Animal 20” by UC Davis, scratching at the surgical site, which emitted a bloody discharge, and yanking on a connector that eventually dislodged part of the device. A surgery to repair the issue was carried out the following day, yet fungal and bacterial infections took root. Vet records note that neither infection was likely to be cleared, in part because the implant was covering the infected area. The monkey was euthanized on January 6, 2020.

    Additional veterinary reports show the condition of a female monkey called “Animal 15” during the months leading up to her death in March 2019. Days after her implant surgery, she began to press her head against the floor for no apparent reason; a symptom of pain or infection, the records say. Staff observed that though she was uncomfortable, picking and pulling at her implant until it bled, she would often lie at the foot of her cage and spend time holding hands with her roommate.

    Animal 15 began to lose coordination, and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers. Her condition deteriorated for months until the staff finally euthanized her. A necropsy report indicates that she had bleeding in her brain and that the Neuralink implants left parts of her cerebral cortex “focally tattered.”

    Yet another monkey, Animal 22, was euthanized in March 2020 after his cranial implant became loose. A necropsy report revealed that two of the screws securing the implant to the skull loosened to the extent that they “could easily be lifted out.” The necropsy for Animal 22 clearly states that “the failure of this implant can be considered purely mechanical and not exacerbated by infection.” If true, this would appear to directly contradict Musk’s statement that no monkeys died as a result of Neuralink’s chips.

    Shown a copy of Musk’s remarks on X about Neuralink’s animal subjects being “close to death already,” a former Neuralink employee alleges to WIRED that the claim is “ridiculous,” if not a “straight fabrication.” “We had these monkeys for a year or so before any surgery was performed,” they say. The ex-employee, who requested anonymity for fear of retaliation, says that up to a year’s worth of behavioral training was necessary for the program, a time frame that would exempt subjects already close to death.

    A doctoral candidate currently conducting research at the CNPRC, granted anonymity due to a fear of professional retaliation, likewise questions Musk’s claim regarding the baseline health of Neutralink’s monkeys. “These are pretty young monkeys,” they tell WIRED. “It’s hard to imagine these monkeys, who were not adults, were terminal for some reason.”
    E2E4
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    Musk to vysvětloval tím, že internet poskytl Ukrajincům k tomu, aby „mohli sledovat Netflix, aby mohli odpočívat“, ne aby jej používali ve válce


    Komentář: Elon Musk, kamarád diktátorů, ze kterého jde strach - Seznam Zprávy
    https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/nazory-komentare-komentar-elon-musk-kamarad-diktatoru-ze-ktereho-jde-strach-237177
    BLACKHEAD
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    E2E4: Upgrade
    CRAZY_IVAN
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    AXTHEB: máš k tomu nějakej zdroj?
    AXTHEB
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    CRAZY_IVAN: Je to divný, ale člověk by s adekvátním tréninkem (uvědom si, že pes ten nos aktivně používá celý život) dokázal podobné věci.
    Není to záležitost receptorů, ale nervového/mozkového aparátu.
    VYHULENY_UFO
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    PER2: chapu, brno uz se chysta otevrit prvni hyperloopovou linku :D
    E2E4
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    PER2: si taky myslím že na tuhle věci to bude super..

    , ale různý mind uploady / downloady / propojení je scifi - daleko v budoucnosti a s nepředvídatelnými společenskými dopady.

    k tomu je kromě Black mirror dobrý dystopicky seriál Dollhouse.
    DZODZO
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    u neuralinku sa kazdy hlavne tesi na softwarove drogy a 30-minutovy orgazmus jak maju prasata
    OMNIHASH
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    PER2: hyperloop fungovat nemůže. Ne tak, jak ho navrh Musk, pokud nevyvineš unobobtanium. Bez toho vakuovýho nesmyslu pak už funguje v každým druhým zábavním parku.
    MAKROUSEK
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    PER2: Uprimne zatim neuralink nic moc revolucniho nepredvedl, je to jenom velky marketing. Cipy do mozku se implantuji uz tak 30 let, treba proti epilepsii.
    PER2
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    VYHULENY_UFO: hyperloop muze fungovat hned, staci do nej nasypat penize, ktery se ti nikdy nevratej ... zatimco tohle ma do budoucna docela velkej potencial i pro armadu (penize)
    CRAZY_IVAN
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    AXTHEB: psí čich nic moc? aha :)

    How to Escape a Police Sniffing Dog
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md75n8cyenA
    VYHULENY_UFO
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    PER2: to je jeste velky scifi... nez bude neuralink funkci, probehne jeste spousta valek a utece nekolik desetileti. to je stejny scifi jako ten slavnej hyperloop.
    AXTHEB
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    YMLADRIS: Psi čich nic moc. Je dokázáno, že lidi ve skutečnosti nemají čich nějak výrazně horší, jen ho prostě tolik nepoužívají. Člověk dokáže s hodinovým tréninkem sledovat hodinu starou stopu čokolády v trávníku. Petrichor (vůně deště) je způsobený zbytky bakterií o tak malé koncentraci, že ho kromě člověka necítí žádná jiná bytost. </ot>
    OMNIHASH
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    YMLADRIS: no já bych s těmahle nadšenejma očekáváníma trochu brzdil... zatím jsme ve stavu, že dokážou simulovat/zachytit jednotlivý vzruchy a jakžtakž k nim přiřadit podněty, na nějaký komplexní předávání myšlenek si ještě chvíli počkáme.
    CRAZY_IVAN
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    JARDABEREZA: co si pamatuju, tak v mozku budeš mít implantát, kterej bude číst a předávat bezdrátově informace do dalšího implantátu, kterej je pod místem přerušení. Už jenom ta jednosměrná cesta by byl pokrok, protože by se mohli naučit chodit, ač třeba bez citu, feedbacku a tak. Ale tahle cesta by měla být časem určitě oboustranná, ať máš feedback ze zbytku těla a do mozku předávat informace zpět - bolest, hmat a další. Takže zapisovat do mozku prostě ano.
    YMLADRIS
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    PER2: obecně tyto kyborg extenze. Kámoška ví, že postupně oslepne. Musk před časem ukazoval, jak se obejde nefunkční oko

    Jsem zvědavá na lidi, co si zapnou psí čich
    YMLADRIS
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    DZODZO: jo no je názorová škola která říká, že vzpomínky nikam nemizí, že údajně jen mizí přístup k nim. Pokud by to tak bylo, nemusíš nikam nic nahrávat; od AI budeš chtít aby se k tobě připojila a zpřístupnila/vyhledala konkrétní vzpomínku.

    Toto je moje úvaha, nevím zda je to možné

    Plus aplikace ve smyslu přímého čtení nevědomí (stroj ti může zprostředkovávat lepší náhled na tebe, než máš ty sám). (Nevím, halucinuju co bych chtěla)
    PER2
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    neuralink link muze mit i dobry potencial pro vojaky z ukrajiny (a samozrejme nejenom ty), co prisli o koncetiny, tady muze byt jeste limit samotne technologie bionicke koncetiny
    Kliknutím sem můžete změnit nastavení reklam