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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / If the fracturing of our once stable climate doesn’t terrify you, then you don’t fully understand it
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    Extinction Rebellion UK launches AloneTogether - a Regenerative Rebellion as part of the response to coronavirus - Extinction Rebellion
    https://rebellion.earth/...together-a-regenerative-rebellion-as-part-of-the-response-to-coronavirus/

    This is a world-changing moment. As coronavirus takes hold of our day to day lives, the way we organise and support each other will change. We will lose much we hold dear.

    This calls for an evolution – not a shelving – of our rebellion. This is a time to remember what we are rebelling for – a thriving and just world of regenerative cultures that can weather crises, foster cooperation and look after each other on a global scale.
    SUMAC
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    PAD: samozrejme souhlas. regulace jsou ucinne jen tehdy, pokud splnuji neco jako duch samotneho ucelu te regulace (jako je plynuti duchu zakona vs. jeho doslovne vymahani za kazdou cenu), nikoliv ze se neco kontroluje na jednom konci, a druhy konec volne planda ve vzduchu.

    proto je dost usmevny, kdyz free market ekonomove jako ten dole se do roztrhani tela navazeji do samotne existence regulaci a nikoliv do neefektivniho systemu, ktery ty regulace zneuziva. oni neochranuji chod trhu, ale ideologii trhu. pak se krasne ukazuje jejich kognitivni dizonance a neschopnost aplikovat kriticke mysleni.
    TADEAS
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    SHEFIK:

    During his virtual press conference Guterres gave a nod to the Paris Agreement. He said the pandemic could create an opportunity to rebuild the global economy along more sustainable lines. But he made it clear the world must focus first on the coronavirus crisis.

    As it has struggled to tackle global warming for a quarter century, the world is also finding itself hard-pressed to respond to a global pandemic.

    ...

    The United Nations’ main climate change initiatives have been moved online or are on hold. Several planned U.N. climate action gatherings have been canceled or delayed (Climatewire, March 12).

    The offices of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have canceled all in-person meetings and foreign travel, and are working to arrange online conferences where possible.

    Most recently, the U.N. International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), a body based in Montreal, called off a series of regional meetings meant to roll out a new emissions trading program to begin this month.

    ICAO said the regional planning seminars for its carbon offsetting and reduction scheme for international aviation simply have been postponed. But no new dates have been proposed.

    With talk that the crisis could extend into the summer—or beyond—more gatherings could face a similar fate. Those include the U.N. Ocean Conference planned for Portugal in early June, and the World Conservation Congress at the end of June to be hosted by the International Union for Conservation of Nature in Marseilles, France
    PAD
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    SUMAC: netroufam se poustet do nejakych taxonomii, vzdycky na neco zapomenu, ale pokud se ptas na priklad regulaci, ktere jdou proti stredni tride, tak uz jsem ti dva priklady uvedl. tedy pokud se shodneme na tom, ze dotace neceho (fotovoltaika a solarni baroni), nebo povinny odkup neceho (v podstate nelze natankovat benzin bez MERO) jsou regulace. Pokud chces dalsi, tak treba preregulovany zpusob vystavby (zkus si treba dneska postavit obycejny domek svepomoci) - stat te bude nutit do "uspor" tim, ze ti to naridi a druhou rukou ti nabidne dotace (zelena usporam) - to, ze vlastne usetris +- obnos, ktery stat vybere na DPH, je k smichu (je mozne, ze na dotacich muzes ziskat i vice, ale v mem pripade mi to vyslo skoro stejne). Jednou rukou bere, druhou dava. A cely ten byrokraticky kolotoc plati kdo? Stredni trida.

    Jsou ale i samo dobre regulace, to nerikam. Jen si proste myslim, ze ten problem neni na urovni jestli regulovat nebo ne. Ale jestli spolecnost funguje +- slusne nebo ne (tj. nepodvadi, nelze, nekrade, atp).
    TADEAS
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    Neither water nor soap - 40% of the world's population can't wash their hands
    https://publicservices.international/...the-worlds-population-cant-wash-their-hands?id=10655&lang=en

    according to UNICEF, 3 billion people (or 40% of the world's population) cannot afford to wash their hands to protect themselves against the coronavirus.

    ...

    With the climate crisis continuing unabated, governments can expect to face even more difficult challenges to ensuring the human right to water and sanitation.

    The coronavirus pandemic reveals even more starkly the fragility of our globalised lifestyle and of our governance systems’ capacities to anticipate and protect. In this context, it is ever more important that we take measures to protect our already imperilled water resources, before it is too late.

    The water sector must raise its voice in demanding comprehensive climate policies. PSI input to the 2019 climate summit (COP25) can help unions make the connections between local and global politics.
    PALEONTOLOG
    PALEONTOLOG --- ---
    PAD: ano, vše je diagnóza.
    přijdou do provozu, chtěj ušetřit na slaných tyčkách. co kdybychom je prodávali bez soli, ptá se manažer? A co prodávat sůl bez tyček, to je ještě levnější, podotkl vedoucí provozu!
    SUMAC
    SUMAC --- ---
    PAD: ktery "regulace" jdou proti stredni tride? jsou regulace a) ktery ochranujou verejne sluzby pripadne maji za cil dlouhodoby strategicky program; b) pak jsou regulace, nebo legislativni opatreni (nebo zamerny nedostatek techto opatreni), ktery maj za cil uspokojit ruzne na vrcholovou politiku navazane zajmove skupiny; c) pak jsou regulace, nebo spis ekonomicke stimuly a pobidky, ktery maj za cil zvyhodnit urcite skupiny investic; d) no a nakonec je to regulace trhu, bez ktery by se trh polozil, jako treba FED dneska. o tom, kdery z techto regulaci a "utoku" na volny trh je proti stredni tride se da sahodlouze debatovat.

    jsem inzenyr a uz desetileti me fascinuje, co musim od ekonomu o ekonomice poslouchat.
    SHEFIK
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    a bad news

    U.N. Shifts from Climate Change to Coronavirus - Scientific American
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-n-shifts-from-climate-change-to-coronavirus/
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    trocha geoengineeeringu

    The right dose of geoengineering could reduce climate change risks -- ScienceDaily
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200319200644.htm
    RADIQAL
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    SUMAC: Beztak to řikáš jen proto, že v hedge fondech nemáš uložený žadný miliony :P

    Ne jako vopravdu, je uplně nepochopitelný, že se furt všichni oháněj tím, že to GND a všechno zelený bude stát bambilióny a při tom vynechávají druhou část příběhu, že tyhle bambiliony zas někdo jinej vydělá a že všichni společně na tom vyděláme, to už je snad sprostý slovo pane AB. Že to nebudete vy nebo vaši kámoší, nehodí se nám to do krámu.

    Sry za ot hate, v pondělí vidim nějak rudě.

    PAD
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    SUMAC: Ale prave ty regulace casto jsou ve finale proti stredni tride a ve prospech korupcniku. Krasny priklad jsou treba biopaliva. Nebo prvni beh fotovoltaiky. IMHO je problem spis v sile instituci (soudy, policie, verejna media, ...), vzdelanosti, schopnosti statu vymahat a garantovat prava atp, nez to, jestli mame vic nebo min trhu. Muzes mit socialismus typu Svedsko a stejne bude ekonomika slapat, nebo muzes mit oproti tomu celkem kapitalismus jak v Irsku, a taky to celkem funguje.

    Mimochodem, ty jsi vzdelanim ekonom? Jen ze jsi tak smahem odsoudil desetitisice lidi, kteri vysli VSE ... Tak trochu, jako SPD odsuzuje vsechny barevne ...
    SUMAC
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    PAD: samozrejme ze nesouhlasim se sypanim trilionu dollaru do burzy za ucelem zachrany aktiv par bilionaru. proc to rikam je, ze free market hujeri jako je ten blb dole se neustale ohaneji tim, ze aby se vsechny krize vyresily, musi se prestat s kontrolou volneho trhu a jakyhkoliv socialne zamerenych regulaci, ktery ochranujou zajem stredni vrstvy, ale musi se nechat vsechno nezdrave vyhnit at uz za jakoukoliv cenu. no a co se pokazde stane, ze prvni co se zachranuje jsou banky a burza, at to stoji co to stoji.

    rika: "Za tuto honbu za „zeleností“ a za efektivitou a za neustálý tisk peněz v režii centrálních bank, který tuto honbu umožňoval, teď miliony lidí po celém světě zaplatí ztrátou zaměstnání a dramaticky sníženou životní úrovní."

    totalni nesmysl a skoro az kriminalni neznalost situace. za spatna rozhodnuti bankeru a nepripravenost politiku s tim cokoliv delat platime "dramaticky sníženou životní úrovní", nikoliv za to, ze nekdo reguluje volny trh za ucelem zeleneho dealu.
    PAD
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    PAD: sorry, deflacni->inflacni
    PAD
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    TUHO: IMHO vychazi ze spravnych tezi, ale prekvapive pak vlastne popre sam sebe: to, ze deflacni menova politika, vede jen k zvetseni a odsunuti problemu do budoucna je evidentni. Staci se podivat na to, jak rostou ceny nemovitosti, jak se dale stimuluje moralni hazard, jak penize konci v kapsach majitelu too-big-to-fail korporaci atp. Ovsem nereseni klimaticke krize je take jen pujcovani si z budoucnosti, na ukor nasich deti.
    SUMAC: Tobe ta politika FEDu prijde spravna? Ve svetle argumentu vyse by me zajimalo, zda tedy i souhlasis s tim, ze vlastne timto bohati bohatnou a chudi chudnou? Ze se socializuji ztraty a privatizuji zisky?
    XCHAOS
    XCHAOS --- ---
    TUHO: spíš nemožná. bav se spíš s náma technikama :) bez technických řešení to stejně nepůjde, leda by se lidi vrátili k otevřeným ohništím...
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    Critical Zones. The Science and Politics of Landing on Earth
    Date: May 2020
    Publisher: MIT Press
    Editors: Bruno Latour & Peter Weibel

    Critical Zones. The Science and Politics of Landing on Earth | bruno-latour.fr
    http://www.bruno-latour.fr/node/838.html

    Description
    As everybody learned at school, when the position of the Earth in the cosmos is modified, a revolution in social order might ensue. Remember Galileo: when astronomers made the Earth move around the sun, the whole fabric of society felt under attack. Today, again, four centuries later, the role and the position of the Earth is being revolutionized by new disciplines: it appears that human behavior has pushed the Earth to react in unexpected ways. And once again, the whole organization of society is being subverted. Shake the cosmic order and the order of politics will be shaken as well. Except that, this time, the question is not to make the Earth move around the sun, but to move it somewhere else altogether! As if we had to learn anew how to land on it.
    — “Landing on Earth? Why would anyone attempt to land there? Are we not already on Earth?”
    Well, not quite! And that’s the circumstance this book tries to present to the inquiring reader: it seems that there has been in the past some misinterpretation over what it means to be earthly. If you believe it means “practical”, “mundane”, “secular”, “material” or even “materialist”, you’re in for a surprise
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