DZODZO: Mam podobnou zkusenost - letos mame za sebou prvni zimu, kdy topime jen drevem (v peci s vymenikem a aku nadrzi), ohrivame jim vodu, dum, peceme, varime na nem, susime pradlo, atp. Rychle jsem se naucili proste planovat trochu vice, kdy co varime nebo peceme, ze to udelame najednou na jednom ohni a nejak nas to neomezuje. Samozrejme mame backup v podobe elekriny, ale napr. el. troubu pouzivame velmi malo. Jine to bude v lete, kdy uz nedava smysl topit - proto se tesim na fotovoltaiku (taky budu muset delat mene dreva na zimu:)).

Ja chapu, ze nekdo ma rad ten luxus mit kdykoliv 'po ruce' X kW vykonu jen na otoceni knoflikem. Ale z meho pohledu je to luxus, ktery mi nijak nechybi. [Jina kapitola jsou nemocnice atp., o tom zadna.]

TADEAS: jasně, ale pořád je to lepší jak nic.

SHINIGAMI: pletes dohromady 2 problemy (vyroba, skladovani) a z toho vyvozujes svoje argumenty. jenze ty problemy sou delitelne a lze je i oddelene resit.

i u uhli a jadra je potreba resit skladovani, abys mohl regulovat aktualni vyrobu. slunci a vetru neporucime, tkaze ten proces je opacny, je to vyroba na sklad

LINKOS: jen je k tomu potreba doplnit, ze s poptavkou narustaji i moznosti zaloh - baterie, vodik, nove typy precerpavacek, napr. "Gravity power plant".

linky nize

baterie se zaplati na uspore nakladu, viz napr.
https://www.bloomberg.com/...20-02-28/two-years-on-musk-s-big-battery-bet-is-paying-off-in-australia
Hornsdale reduced network costs by about A$116 million ($76 million) in 2019, according to Aurecon, savings Heron said would be passed on to businesses and households in the state. The battery’s introduction also slashed the cost to regulate South Australia’s grid by 91%, bringing it in line with other regions in the nation, according to Aurecon.

Pumped hydro / Gravity power plant
Elon Musk Should Build Pumped Hydro With Tesla Energy, The Boring Co., & Coal Miners | CleanTechnica
https://cleantechnica.com/...-should-build-pumped-hydro-with-tesla-energy-the-boring-co-coal-miners/

Hydrogen Energy Storage: A New Solution To the Renewable Energy Intermittency Problem - Renewable Energy World
https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...solution-to-the-renewable-energy-intermittency-problem/#gref
The versatility of stored hydrogen gas means it can be placed at the center of new renewable energy infrastructure development. The renewably produced, stored gas (energy), could be used in large-scale fuel cells to produce electricity on-site, or it can utilize existing infrastructure, such as natural gas pipelines or other pipelines.

As Harrison noted: “Hydrogen gas gives you opportunities to do a lot of other things. You can turn it back into electricity for the grid, you can produce ammonia and you can use it to fill fuel cell electric vehicles (as we do here at the NREL). We’re even working to demonstrate the process of combining the renewable hydrogen we produce with carbon dioxide to produce synthetic natural gas. This can be piped straight into existing natural gas infrastructure.”

Hydrogen gas is a complete storage solution that would allow wind and solar energy to power our lives seamlessly.

SHINIGAMI:

Při prodražení Dukovan zaplatí rozdíl oproti tržní ceně spotřebitelé skrze síťové tarify, uvádí návrh zákona
https://oenergetice.cz/...zdil-oproti-trzni-cene-spotrebitele-skrze-sitove-tarify-uvadi-navrh-zakona

Jak budeme tomuhle říkat: Jaderný booom nebo jaderný tunel? Anebo mi chceš tvrdit, že budeme vyrábět elektřinu z jádra levněji než z oze?


TUHO: neboj už končím, poslední příspěvek ode mne k tomuto

LINKOS: Shinigami ti odpovi jadro.
Nechcete tenhle fraktal preskocit nebo nekdo ze stran debaty prisel s nejakym uplne novym argumentem? :)