LINKOS: jasne, neni to cernobily. ja reagoval konkretne na desertifikaci, na kterou si narazel. spolu se skotem, nebo podobnejma lokalnima zviratama uchovavas prirodu a to daleko vic nez kdyz budujes lany vyoranejch poli

pro primarni obzivu lidstva fandim hydro/aero/aquaponii .) a nejaky maso se v tom klidne schova. pro me za me umely.

...nedavno sem mel burger z cervu (kosik.cz, mrazeny, bohuzel z nemecka) a byl vybornej.

SHEFIK: tak vidíš a ta studie ti i řekne jaké to má limity, což u mám dojem je docela problém. On se tam ten substrát se zivinama nebere jen tak. Možná mluvíš o něčem jiném, ale já myslel, že to zemědělství nás má taky uživit. A to prostě při takové spotřebě jakou máme na západě není možný, a už absolutně to není možný, když se na nás standart budou postupně chtít dostat lidi po celé planetě. A o tom mluví, není možné udělat to tak aby to více plodilo, více chytlo co2, neprodukovalo to metan a ještě sme měli více prostoru pro divokou přírodu. Samozřejmě to jde dělat líp, ale ne vždy to je něco za něco.

LINKOS: me v tomhle tematu docela zmenil nazor carbon cowboys. tusim, ze to byl dil: one hundred thousand beating hearts

https://www.carboncowboys.org/films

kde je videt, ze skot dokaze z "pouste" udelat po par letech znovu fungujici ekosystem, vcetne navratu dalsi fauny a biodiverzity. tohle ti zadnej traktor ani barel NPK nezaridi (resp. za obrovskyho usili, nakladu a vstupu)

a ono to ma logicky opodstatneni, neni moc co na tom studiema rozporovat. ze zadku jim proste pada teplej a vlhkej substrat s zivinama, vcetne semen. co vic by si regenerace prirody mohla prat

2019 Toward a General Theory of Societal Collapse: A Biophysical Examination of Tainter’s Model of the Diminishing Returns of Complexity
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41247-018-0049-0

The collapse of large social systems, often referred to as “civilizations” or “empires,” is a well-known historical phenomenon, but its origins are the object of an unresolved debate. In this paper, we present a simple biophysical model which we link to the concept that societies collapse because of the “diminishing returns of complexity” proposed by Tainter (The collapse of complex societies, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1988). Our model is based on the description of a socio-economic system as a trophic chain of energy stocks which dissipate the energy potential of the available resources. The model is based on the idea that we observe that the exploitation of a non-renewable resource stock (“production”) has a strongly nonlinear relation with the complexity of the system, assumed to be proportional to the size of the stock termed “The Economy” (or “capital”), producing various trajectories of decline of the economy, in some cases rapid enough that they can be defined as “collapses.” The evolution of the relation of production and the economy produces a curve similar to the one proposed by Tainter, for the decline of a complex society

2020 We need to (find a way to) talk about … Eco-anxiety
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02650533.2020.1844166?journalCode=cjsw20

Eco-anxiety may not be new, but could now be seen as an emergent phenomenon attracting increasing attention as public awareness about the climate and bio-diversity crisis grows. There may also be some generational differences in how we respond emotionally, with children often talking about feelings framed by their experience of adult misunderstanding or inaction.

What often scares children the most is how they see the ‘adult world’ failing to take sufficient urgent action on these threats, whilst at the same time dismissing, criminalising, pathologising and patronising their feelings and voices. Children and young people are increasingly taking centre stage in protests about the need to take urgent action, whilst simultaneously often being the focus of society’s anxieties about the psychological impact of the crises; ‘we mustn’t frighten the children’.

This paper focuses on children and young people’s perspectives; introducing eco-anxiety, drawing on clinical practice examples, research findings and finally offering conceptual frames to help us broaden and deepen our understanding of this evolving syndrome.

TADEAS: budes prednaset? :)

SHEFIK: jj TADEAS

LINKOS: je to pro me naprosto pochopitelny.

TADEAS: ono je taky dost pravděpodobný, že to množství masa co sníme si nebudem ani moci dovolit až ho začnou jist národy co teď bohatnou. Nechápu proč je pro tebe tak nepochopitelný, že jej jíme nejvíce v historii a je to špatně

LINKOS: stejne jako je ma elektrina. mame snizovat spotrebu elektriny, protoze neumime zmenit zpusoby vyroby? hned.

a ne, neodpustim si to, protoze je to fatalne mylny mysleni s tragickejma dusledkama.

LINKOS: prosim jestli chces byt soucasti reseni, nepouzivej formulace ze maso nebo ml. vyrobky jsou nejak narocne. jsou takove nebo makove dle zpusobu produkce (managementu ekosystemu). jsou ruzne zpusoby produkce.

Floods, storms and searing heat: 2020 in extreme weather | Environment | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/...nt/2020/dec/30/floods-storms-and-searing-heat-2020-in-extreme-weather

The Rough Road of Rising Up | Stephen Jenkinson & Roger Hallam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihq_r97dS_8


What happens when a revolutionary activist meets a spiritual activist to speak about living in the time of the Anthropocene? In this captivating discussion we navigate the topics of truth, integrity, death, hope, and the action required to respond to the urgency of these times. How can we become ancestors worth claiming, and how can we support and mobilise our young people who are fighting for their futures on a dying planet?

“Activism is saturated with the cult of hope… what happens over and over again is…burnout...rooted in this occultic attachment to hope in our culture. We are looking at a new way of thinking in terms of how we should act in this world and how we should act in this revolutionary fashion that we are now called to do given the extremity of evil that we face.” – Roger Hallam

We discuss the weight of what it means to be an adult and our relationship to young people. What do we tell them? What is our responsibility towards our youth and future generations “to come?

“As soon as you demonstrate the capacity to carry weight, you get weighted down. See that’s fate for grown ups. When there’s finally no hope left you try leave a scent in the air of what some people did in a time of trouble. The people to come they’ll need that. They’ll need to know that they came from people who were worthy of coming from. And you don’t hope you’ll be worthy. You get worthy now. That’s what time it is.” – Stephen Jenkinson

“The two main mentors of the 21st century I think are mainly Martin Luther King and Ghandi who more than any other historic figures…in recent history show that fusion between moral purpose and spiritual maturity and how that manifests itself is in civil disobedience.” – Roger Hallam

Holocaust comments, Mobilisation and the Left | Roger Hallam | December 2020
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe6DdJypqoM

TADEAS: ten metan by se uvolnil/uvolnoval i na pastve ne?

ja chapu, ze to z tvyho pohledu neni uzavrenej regenerativni cyklus, nicmene dokud budou kravy produkovat metan, tak ani pastva nebude 100% climate-friendly proces

2020: Europe's Energy Transition in 5 Trends | Greentech Media
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/2020-europes-energy-transition-in-five-trends

By the end of 2020, all of Europe’s oil majors had made long-term climate commitments. 

In terms of investments, BP is aiming for $5 billion a year of low-carbon investment by 2030. Equinor expects to invest $11.6 billion just in renewables by 2030. Shell has been loath to put a figure on its plans, but in addition to venturing efforts, the company will co-develop the ~€1.4 billion ($1.71 billion) Hollandse Kust (noord) offshore wind farm and has started early work on a series of major hydrogen projects. These are big numbers, but they don’t by any means eclipse the investments being made by major multinational utilities like Iberdrola. The Spanish utility has committed to increasing its annual renewable investment to $11.8 billion.
In terms of how active the majors might be in the renewables sector, BP has the most ambitious target. Its 50 GW target for 2030 is the same as French utility giant EDF.

#BP provides a blueprint for a net-zero carbon IEC. BP’s target of 50 GW by 2030 is impressive. Spend in clean energies will increase from $0.5 to $5 billion pa. Its ambitious net-zero carbon targets needed a strategy that can deliver. BP leaves its Euro Major peers way behind. 

Planetary Collapse and the Path to Regeneration with Joe Brewer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2L_JD2nxbE

TADEAS: jako asi jo, ale stejně nebudeš chtít palivovým článkem nejdřív dobít baterky a pak baterkama topit...

SHEFIK: neznam, zda se mi to jako snizeni miry degenerativity, predevsim je potreba nemit ty koncentrovany velkochovy, ktery generujou ten odpad, kterej je tady vyuzitej jako zdroj. takze je fajn vyuzit tenhle zdroj, ale vzhledem k ekosystemu je potreba predevsim nevytvaret tenhle odpad/zdroj.