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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / If the fracturing of our once stable climate doesn’t terrify you, then you don’t fully understand it


    "Given the sheer enormity of climate change, it’s okay to be depressed, to grieve. But please, don’t stay there too long. Join me in pure, unadulterated, righteous anger."


    "I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. Once you start to act, the hope is everywhere."

    "Our best scientists tell us insistently that a calamity is unfolding, that the life-support systems of the Earth are being damaged in ways that threaten our survival. Yet in the face of these facts we carry on as usual."

    “We’ve got to stop burning fossil fuels. So many aspects of life depend on fossil fuels, except for music and love and education and happiness. These things, which hardly use fossil fuels, are what we must focus on.”

    A nejde o to, že na to nemáme dostatečné technologie, ty by na řešení použít šly, ale chybí nám vůle a představivost je využít. Zůstáváme při zemi, přemýšlíme až moc rezervovaně. Technologický pokrok to sám o sobě nevyřeší. Problém jsme my, ne technologické nástroje.

    Rostouci hladiny oceanu, zmena atmosferickeho proudeni, zmeny v distribuci srazek a sucha. Zmeny karbonoveho, fosforoveho a dusikoveho cyklu, okyselovani oceanu. Jake jsou bezpecnostni rizika a jake potencialni klady dramatickych zmen fungovani zemskeho systemu?
    Ale take jak funguji masove dezinformacni kampane ropneho prumyslu a boj o verejne mineni na prahu noveho klimatickeho rezimu post-holocenu.
    rozbalit záhlaví
    SEJDA
    SEJDA --- ---
    RADIQAL: 50ha = je 220x220m.
    No taky to tam uz nevidim, bylo to tam dole v pravo ;) Takze jsem bud halucinoval, nebo to upravili.
    RADIQAL
    RADIQAL --- ---
    RADIQAL: 50 ha = cca 70 fotbalovych hrist.
    RADIQAL
    RADIQAL --- ---
    SEJDA: sry ale taky jsem z toho linku nikde nevycet, ze prave na tomhle obrazku by melo byt 50ha. co presne jsi tim chtel ilustrovat?
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    a k vasi diskusi o vodiku v australii:

    ---jeden z projektu(je jich nekolik v tyhle oblasti) - The Asian Renewable Energy Hub - 2028:
    The proposed project includes:
    26 GW of wind and solar generation
    At least 3 GW of generation capacity for Pilbara energy users
    Up to 23 GW of generation for production of green hydrogen and green ammonia
    Up to 100 TWh of total annual generation
    A design life of 50+ years

    From a 14,000-square kilometre initial land package, 6,500 square kilometres of land in the East Pilbara region of Western Australia were selected to accommodate 26,000 MW of wind turbines and solar photovoltaic panels. Outstanding wind and solar resource and large project scale will result in competitively priced renewable energy with a high capacity factor.


    ---dalsi projekt (The Arrowsmith Hydrogen Project) ten by mel byt v provozu koncem 2022
    The plant would be supplied by around 85 megawatts of solar power, supplemented by 75 megawatts of wind generation capacity, which will be generated on-site. The project would also integrate a large-scale battery on-site.

    Green Hydrogen Sub-commercial Plant #1
    Stage One of the IBE Liquid Hydrogen Project will be the Arrowsmith Project, located in Western Australia. This installation will commence production in 2022 resulting in 25 tons (25,000 kg) of green Hydrogen per day from the zero carbon energy sources of water, solar and wind.

    Green Hydrogen Commercial Plant #2
    (Capacity 75,000Kg/day)



    obrazek patri k AREH

    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    SEJDA: "Kdyby se vam zle predstavovalo, co je to 50ha, tak je to asi tolik"

    uhm, tohle ze je 700x700m?

    v clanku:
    "Floating solar installations at the dam, which will resemble those in this image"
    "“The [floating PV] project will occupy a total area of about 50 hectares of water surface and will require over 127,000 PV panels "
    SEJDA
    SEJDA --- ---
    DZODZO: no prece, ze elektrolyzovat muzou i arabove, takze proc by to melo byt vsechno v australii? :)
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    SEJDA: takze pri zapocitani vsetkych tych naddimenzovani mi to vychadza 1km2 plochy na 1 lod, takze budes potrebovat flicek velkosti 55000km2, ale stale neviem ci je to teda jako malo alebo jako moc, neviem co tym sledujes
    THEODORT
    THEODORT --- ---
    SEJDA: kurva elegantni reseni jak udrzet v rezervoaru pitnou vodu
    SEJDA
    SEJDA --- ---
    Kdyby se vam zle predstavovalo, co je to 50ha, tak je to asi tolik:

    Tender for 50 MW of floating solar launched in Portugal – pv magazine International
    https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/11/27/tender-for-50-mw-of-floating-solar-launched-in-portugal/
    SEJDA
    SEJDA --- ---
    DZODZO: vzdyt uz jsem ti to spocital: SHEFIK odhaduje 200 GWh energie na vyrobu C-H2 (asi elektrolyza vody), to je pri 2MWh z kazdeho m2 za rok, jenom 10 ha solarnich panelu, tedy pokud ti bude stacit tu lod nabit jednou za rok. Pokud se otoci 3x, tak potrebujes 30 ha, no s nejakyma mezerama atp. 50 ha. 573 km2 je pri 50 % vyuziti plochy neco jako 573 TWh, tj. jako 3000 tech lodi?
    Delam nekde radovou chybu, anebo jenom ty nevis, ze se do 1 km2 vejde 100 hektaru?
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    SEJDA: ok tu som ti to zakreslil hned pre vsetky obchodne lode sveta, inymi slovami stale nechapem tu narazku na to "tak si to vypocitaj", ze co tym sledujes, ze ci je to jako hodne alebo jako malo

    SEJDA
    SEJDA --- ---
    DZODZO: otazka ale nebyla kolik potrebuje cely svet, ale kolik potrebuje jedna lod.
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    mozno ta minula ta diskusia z vedlajsieho klubu, ale to nie je podstatne, tuto to mas obrazkom tu celkovu spotrebu sveta pokrytu plochou australie, tak si z toho vyrez nejaky ctverecek na ty lode a uvidis kolko nehostinnej puste musia australania obetovat aby mohli vyvazat vodik

    SEJDA
    SEJDA --- ---
    DZODZO: pri pocitani 2000 kWh/m2.rok to dava min. 10 ha. At ted si to prepocitej na co chces, ale asi ji si spletl klub, toto nejsou vedecke vtipy.
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    New Zealand Designer Makes Ingenious Solar-Powered Skylight That Desalinates Water For Drinking
    https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/...esalination-still-by-henry-goglau-purifies-water-and-makes-light/

    Goglau’s device can purify 440 milliliters of water a day, with leftover brine being sifted into batteries made of zinc and copper where they power an LED strip for use during the night.

    finalist in the 2021 Lexus Design Award, Henry Glogau, has created something that takes advantage of both these abundant resources: a solar-powered lighting fixture that desalinates water.

    Solar Desalination Skylight by Henry Glogau
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=XOcbF2F3fH8&feature=emb_title
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    Why aren’t we more afraid of global warming? | The Independent
    https://www.independent.co.uk/...ate-change-apathy-fear-procrastinating-global-warming-b1807576.html


    A. Ač
    https://www.facebook.com/566311998/posts/10158757007096999/

    Nekonečná téma "psychológie klimatickej krízy". Je notoricky známe, že široká verejnosť hrubo podceňuje (ignoruje/zlahčuje/zosmiešňuje/relativizuje) následky oteplovania. Čo si niektorí zase interprerujú tak, že "klimatológovia desaťročia neúspešne strašia", veď inak by sme už všetci chápali, že Houston má problém.

    Príčin, prečo dlohodobo nie sme schopní racionálne reagovať (individuálne ani kolektívne) na túto existenčnú hrozbu, je viacero. V zásade ide o súbor nevedomých, evolučne podmienených inštinktov, ktoré našim predkom, a ich predkom (až smerom k prvému živému organizmu), zabezpečili prežitie v nekonečnom konkurenčnom darwinovom boji "prežitia silnejšieho", ak chcete inak, automatickej reakcie, ktorú nedokážeme svojou "slobodnou vôlou" (tj. vedomým rozhodnutím) ovplyvniť.

    A tak, vo svetle najväčšej ekologickej hrozby histórie ludstva "slepo" kráčame k pomyslnému útesu. Hladáme si rôzne výhovorky, prečo útes neexistuje (popieranie klimatickej krízy), alebo "riešenia" ako pád z útesu prežijeme (technooptimizmus/odletíme na Mars). To všetko len odráža našu nemožnosť (nie neschopnosť) racionálne reagovať tak, ako je potrebné.

    Psychológovia budú hladať cesty, ako von zo "začarovaného kruhu", ale je to podobné, ako sa snažiť pochopiť, prečo papagáj nerozumie teórii relativity (bez urážky) a potom sa snažiť mu ju vysvetliť.

    Klimatická kríza je neriešitelný problém.
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    SEJDA: ale kolego, ake hektary, to sa predsa pocita v 13" macbookoch, priklad nizsie je na pokrytie svetovej spotreby elektriny, pre lode to bude ovela menej macbookov

    What Else is 115,625 Square Miles?
    55,962,501 football fields
    54 Trillion Pokemon Cards
    4.6 Trillion 13″ Macbooks
    A roughly 50 mile wide corridor stretching from southern California to Hawaii
    0.079% of the moon’s surface area
    SEJDA
    SEJDA --- ---
    SHEFIK: Tak to spocitej, kolik ha solaru na to potrebujes ..

    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    TADEAS: to znamena, ze renewables musi v australii vyrobit neco jako 200gwh na jednu lod. tech lodi ve vysledku asi moc potreba nebude :)
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    SHEFIK: 2000 tun by melo bejt neco jako 66.6 GWh ,)
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    tak snad do slibenejch 5ti let

    Australian green hydrogen vessel deemed ‘highly competitive’ – pv magazine International
    https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/03/02/australian-green-hydrogen-vessel-deemed-highly-competitive/

    The “world first” vessel design, which has already been patented, will be able to transport 2,000 tons of compressed hydrogen. GEV, a marine transport company based in Western Australia, says the study confirms that it can deliver the ship itself and a full zero-emissions compressed hydrogen (C-H2) supply chain with minimal barriers. It expects commercialization within the next five years.

    ...

    The C-H2 Ship can carry up to 2,000 tons of hydrogen in its containment system. The company has said that its design “eliminates the requirement for onsite storage, as the C-H2 Ship is itself the storage.” It has described its push to develop a compressed hydrogen ship as a “natural progression to meet a market requirement for the storage and marine transportation of hydrogen.” 

    GEV said the scoping study shows that its compressed hydrogen supply chain is economically “very competitive” compared to shipping liquefied hydrogen or ammonia at distances of 2,000 nautical miles (3,700 km). As the company noted, that is roughly the distance between  northern Australia and Singapore. Its C-H2 shipping remains competitive to 4,500 nautical miles, which is the distance from Australia to Japan, South Korea, and China.

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