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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    Post-doom with Joanna Macy (Feb 2021) "To Collapse Well"
    https://youtu.be/4h1wdh3yEc4


    "To Collapse Well" - post-doom talk recorded February 2021. Time-coded list of topics below.

    Dowd says, "This was originally intended to be just a catch-up conversation between long-time friends and colleagues. It quickly spiraled to profound and inspiring places and, thankfully, Joanna agreed that this this edited version could be published. This conversation is really the heart and soul of what I (Michael Dowd) mean by a POST-DOOM conversation!!"

    My wife and mission partner, Connie Barlow, spent three days adding text and image overlays. She says, "Many of the post-doom conversations Michael recorded gave me a sense of equanimity about TEOTWAWKI ("The End Of The World As We Know It"). But this one with Joanna had me sense the possibility about actually feeling gratitude for the gift of being alive at such a time. I could see that gratitude in her face. It moved me, and gave me a fresh possibility for how I, too, might walk into this future. I wanted to share this gift with others."

    00:02 - Introduction and two previews.

    03:53 - MD (Dowd) and JM (Macy) - "We will be generative right to the end."

    04:46 - Action needed: advocate for solar panels to be installed near nuclear power plants to ensure emergency electricity for pumped-water cooling of spent fuel rods.

    07:00 - Foundational shift: "Admit the myth of perpetual progress is a false religion" and that that techno-fixes may not be a solution. Must avoid "geological-scale evil."

    09:22 - Technological hubris becomes "irresponsible in the extreme." Spiritual leaders can play a role in using morally laden, relationally oriented language. JM: "We have crippled our moral imagination."

    11:06 - Shifted meaning of "active hope." New edition of JM book, "World as Lover, Wolrld as Self." JM chapters in new book "A Wild Love for the World."

    14:26 - JM: "The great turning will not precede but will come with or after the process of collapse." Terminology: a "life-sustaining" (not "sustainable") culture. Importance of "deep adaptation." Their previous post-doom conversation, "Children of the Passage." Great turning "becomes a vision, a compass, a guiding star." Anger over "still fracking."

    18:10 - MD: Business-as-usual as a kind of "addiction" that is "totally understandable." The long history of "progress-regress, boom and bust cultures; how civilizations and empires predictably collapse." JM: "Morally we regress."

    19:57 - Quoting text response that Catherine Ingram offered for this conversation.

    22:42 - JM story: helped by Buddhist understanding of the self, plus her study of systems theory and Gaia theory toward growing "a planet sense of self" and "a vaster sense of experience through time." JM reflections on "Deep Ecology" with John Seed, and her own despair work, "The Work That Reconnects" and "Coming Back to Life."

    25:35 - JM: amazed that when people "had the courage to go into anguish for the world ... and not numb in out ... there was sometimes a shift in identity ... almost coextensive with Earth." MD: "a sense of self that includes a continuity with time ... and the nested self ... is the key to facing extinction ... death of expectations and worldviews ... fearlessness around mortality." JM: "That is what I experience ... such a fulfillment." MD: "relative equanimity and passionate commitment."

    29:46 - JM: "If this is the last generation, then I'm glad to be here.... so grateful ... a great harvesting." MD story of shifting out of fear for his daughter choosing to have a child. "A tsunami of trust just broke over top of me." JM: "Trust is at the core of life.... We're going to be humans living as humans till the last." MD: on being confronted by anti-natalists. JM: "We're a family till the end."

    33:55 - MD: "What a sacred honor to be alive at this time ... at the end of the Age of Exuberance and the beginning of the Great Contraction." JM: saw a play showing the transcendance of people trapped in the Warsaw ghetto; life is "transforming and redemptive at every moment, right to the end." MD: "Serenity prayer for the 21st Century ... to collapse well ... post-doom and post-gloom." JM: "the hope that we can all die well." MD: Why young parents should not be reminded of this; focus on their daily parenting.

    39:38 - JM: "Our making peace with this makes room for such fulfillment.... so happy to have a chance to be with this beautiful planet, after this long, long story ... right at this climax, ending.... to celebrate, to thank — instead of wallowing in self-pity and complaint." MD: importance of "celebrating our relationship to place, to evolution ... tears of gratitude." JM: "and remember, too, the great poets, the great musicians." Go to the great landforms in our own regions "and say, glory be!"
    GOJATLA
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    Proč nevěřit optimismu IPCC. Bestie se živí ropou a politici jí slouží, nedělají víc než kosmetické změny. Prepare for the worst.

    What the IPCC report should have told us - Resilience
    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-08-12/what-the-ipcc-report-should-have-told-us
    PER2
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    MARSHUS: to je dokonaly!
    "Imagine the connections people would make—correctly—if it was Hurricane ConocoPhillips that flooded Houston in 2017 instead of Hurricane Harvey. Or if we’d been hit by Exxon this year instead of Elsa?"
    MARSHUS
    MARSHUS --- ---
    Let's Start Naming Climate-Related Disasters for Polluters and Their Enablers - Scientific American
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lets-start-naming-climate-related-disasters-for-polluters-and-their-enablers/
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    TUHO: myslis bublinky metháňa? :))
    GOJATLA
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    PER2: Jestli je lepší vodík nebo baterie, je vedlejší, hlavní problém je v tom, že nemáme carbon tax (nebo dividend) a nevypadá to, že v dohledné době budeme mít. S carbon tax by nikdo blue hydrogen nevyráběl.
    PER2
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    SHEFIK: ah, svetle zitrky :)

    It's not going to move particularly quickly; a final investment decision isn't expected until sometime after 2028.
    pocatecni produkce mozna kolem 2030 (dam si upominku, za devet let na to mrknem, takovymu projektu fandim, ale beru s rezervou)

    a snad budou mit vic stesti nez na severu ↓
    (project "will have clearly unacceptable impacts" on the environment)
    [PER2 @ Klimaticka zmena // Climate Chaos Tour 2021]
    SHEFIK
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    PER2: jen western australia. Je to malo?

    World's biggest green hydrogen hub announced for Western Australia
    https://newatlas.com/energy/western-green-energy-hub/

    Western Australia could soon be home to the world's biggest green hydrogen project. The Western Green Energy Hub (WGEH) wants to deploy 50 GW of solar and wind generation to produce up to 3.5 million tons of green hydrogen or 20 million tons of ammonia a year.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    bublinky nekdo?

    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    TADEAS: no pointa je v tom, ze jestli chceme snizit produkci ghg a nahradime to zdrojem, ktery v konecnem dusledku produkuje jeste vice ghg(tento zdroj chceme taky do budoucna masivne rozvijet a nahrazovat jim jine), tak je to prinejmensim zvlastni plan ... a majorita tohodle zdroje v pristich desetiletich nebude green

    a vubec, smazme se(v pekle)!
    It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record
    July 2021 has earned the unenviable distinction as the world’s hottest month ever recorded, according to new global data released today by NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information.
    https://www.noaa.gov/news/its-official-july-2021-was-earths-hottest-month-on-record
    TADEAS
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    TUHO: meli bychom vedle sebe dat to jaky emise generuje v kazdym momentu ten pozar vs lidska civilizace
    TADEAS
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    PER2: ano, tu problematiku a pomery ramcove znam. kdyz reknou "hydrogen", je to jako by rekli maso nebo elektrina, tzn nevis z toho vubec nic, protoze jde o konverze, ktere to s sebou nese. vodik je meziclanek z neceho k necemu v transformacich energii (a infrastruktur, ktery to umoznujou). je irelevantni rikat, ze vodik je nejakej, ze elektrina je nejaka atp. chapu, ze je asi k nasrani, ze to furt omilam, ale je to fatalni omyl naseho vyjadrovani, ktery poukazuje k nesystemovymu mysleni.
    PER2
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    TADEAS: ano blue hydrogen, kterej bude majoritni po dlouhou dobu ... docti si ten clanek celej ;)


    According to the IEA, 76% of hydrogen comes from gas and 23% from coal – the latter mostly in China – with just 2% coming from electrolysis. Less than 0.7% of current hydrogen production is from low-carbon green or blue supplies.
    TADEAS
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    PER2: blue hydrogen, ne green
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    surprise surprise

    "Industry has been promoting hydrogen as a reliable, next-generation fuel to power cars, heat homes and generate electricity. It may, in fact, be worse for the climate than previously thought."

    "...they found that the greenhouse gas footprint of blue hydrogen was more than 20 percent greater than burning natural gas or coal for heat..."

    For Many, Hydrogen Is the Fuel of the Future. New Research Raises Doubts. - The New York Times
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/climate/hydrogen-fuel-natural-gas-pollution.html
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    sano!

    The largest of these fires has exceeded 1.5 million hectares in size, the Greenpeace environmental group's forestry head Alexey Yaroshenko told The Moscow Times.

    “This fire has to grow by about 400,000 hectares to become the biggest in documented history,” Yaroshenko said. “It is impossible to contain this fire through human efforts. ... Firefighters would have to put out a line of fire 2,000 kilometers long.”

    Siberian Wildfire Could Become Biggest in Recorded History – Greenpeace - The Moscow Times
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/08/12/siberian-wildfire-could-become-biggest-in-recorded-history-greenpeace-a74762
    DRSH
    DRSH --- ---
    Oteplení pouze o 1,5 °C už není dosažitelné, říká ekolog Ač na základě zprávy OSN o klimatické změně | Radio Wave
    https://wave.rozhlas.cz/otepleni-pouze-o-15-degc-uz-neni-dosazitelne-rika-ekolog-ac-na-zaklade-zpravy-8554567#player=on
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Climate World Chaos 2021

    Středomoří dál sužují vysoké teploty a požáry. Nedaleko Říma se muselo evakuovat několik desítek lidí, oheň se rychle šíří v přírodní rezervaci Monte Catillo asi dvacet kilometrů od okraje metropole. Hoří i na několika dalších místech jižní Itálir. V Řecku se hasičům poprvé po dvou týdnech podařilo dostat všechna ohniska pod kontrolu. V Alžírsku zadrželi 22 lidí podezřelých ze založení nejničivějších požárů v historii země.

    Jižní Itálie je v plamenech, nedaleko Říma evakuovali desítky lidí. V Řecku se situace stabilizovala — ČT24 — Česká televize
    https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/svet/3354232-nedaleko-rima-evakuovali-kvuli-lesnim-pozarum-desitky-lidi
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