SHEFIK: Je na to termin "ochota pracovat". Tohle jde dohajzlu vzdy a vsude kde se rozdava. Vsechno tohle fantasirovani popsane nize vzdycky okrade nejvic stredni tridu a ty lidi co maji ochotu pracovat jako moralni background.

Kdyz uz degrowth, tak neprijemne vysoky dane a garantovanou minimalni mzdu. Zadny tisteni penez...

Problem vsech tehle socialisticky rovnostarskejch konceptu je v tom, ze to sebere lidem motivaci vytvaret v praci pridanou hodnotu, nebo se jakkoliv snazit o zmenu, kdyz ten margin mezi zakladnim vydelkem a tim velkym je vyrazne limitovanej. Dojizdi na tom pravidelne komunismus i vetsina socialistickejch statu, vic prikladu z historie si ani nemuzeme prat.

YMLADRIS: Me to dava dodcela smysl, kdyz se ty veci budou dit dohromady. Hlavni problem vidim v odporu politicko-ekonomicky silnejch hracu a taky prave nadvladu jistyho druhu ekonomicky imaginace, ktery vychazi z neoliberalni makroekonomie, ktera je dle myho nazoru dost pomatena.

Kdyz natisknes novy penize, tak ano muze ti prijit inflace, protoze do obehu pridas vic obeziva. Nicmene to zase muzes redukovat tim, ze penize nekde jinde z obehu odeberes - tedy zvysis zdaneni. V situaci, kdy nam dost raketove roste bohatnuti bohatych, tak mi prijde celkem logicky zacist zdanovat ultrabohaty a tisknout penize na to, co je treba .) Samozrejme vsehcno to ma tunu ruznejch komplikaci, ale principialne v tom nevidim nic zasadne problematickyho, ani nic co by se uz v minulosti nedelo.

make the ice age great again
Abrupt global ocean circulation collapse. Time to start prepping?
https://youtu.be/j2ETr6X1lOk

ten thwaites (upadl mu kus). pochopili jste z toho, nakolik to zrychli roztati, tj kdy maji ty dve stopy zvyseni mori nastat?

EU becomes first leading economy to legislate for ‘green tariff’ on imports | International trade | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/13/eu-becomes-first-leading-economy-to-legislate-for-green-tariff-on-imports

In the early hours of Tuesday morning the EU became the first big economy to legislate for a “green tariff” on imports, to be levied on goods that are produced with high carbon dioxide emissions.

The carbon border adjustment mechanism (CBAM) means that countries which fail to green their industries will soon face a new threat: an effective carbon tax that will penalise those hoping to profit from high-carbon activities, and force them to clean up.

The system will be applied at first to iron and steel, cement, fertilisers, aluminium, electricity, hydrogen and some chemicals.

Jozef Síkela, minister of industry and trade of the Czech Republic, who led the negotiations in the EU parliament, said: “The carbon border adjustment mechanism is a key part of our climate action. This mechanism promotes the import of goods by non-EU businesses into the EU which fulfil the high climate standards applicable in the 27 EU member states. This will ensure a balanced treatment of such imports and is designed to encourage our partners in the world to join the EU’s climate efforts.”

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if all goes according to plan, CBAMs will come into force on a trial basis from next October.

DEGROWTH NERUST

mam update k tomu degrowth. jak jsem tu psavala, ze nechapu, jak by to melo fungovat, jak by se to mohlo zavest, jake by to melo parametry atd. tak zrejme to nevi nikdo. nove vysel clanek v nature, zkusim z toho vytipat, co vsechny autori rikaji, ze by se muselo nejak vyresit. jsou to ty namitky, o kterych jsme si tu psali. prijde mi to jako nastolit svetovy mir.

Nature beru jako top journal, kde netisknou jen tak neco

zopakovala bych otazku jak si nekdo muze realne myslet, ze by se to fakt nejak nasadilo. (TUHO?) to neni hate, vadi mi kdyz nechapu veci

Degrowth can work — here’s how science can help
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x

problemy (need to address)

Welfare is often funded by tax revenues.
Private pension providers rely on stock-market growth for financial returns.
Firms cite projected growth to attract investors.

For example, the ‘fiduciary duty’ of company directors needs to be changed. Instead of prioritizing the short-term financial interests of shareholders, companies should prioritize social and environmental benefits and take social and ecological costs into account.

Sectors such as social care and pensions need secure funding mechanisms for public providers, and better regulation and dismantling of perverse financial incentives for private providers

For example, if markets are spooked by low growth in one country, some companies might move their capital overseas, which could adversely affect the original country’s currency and increase borrowing costs. Conditions such as these posed severe financial problems for Argentina in 2001 and Greece in 2010.

co se tyce navrhovanych reseni

- zdanit foslni odvetvi
- zdant bohate
- natisknout penize, ale zaroven
- nedopustit inflaci
- a nedostat se do problemu se statnimi dluhy
- zkratit pracovni dobu, ale
- zaridit, aby low income lidi nemeli problemy
- zmenit sektor sluzeb (nepochopila jsem = zni dost utopicky, napr. ze sektor bydleni by nesel na ruku developerum atd, ale zajistil dostupne bydleni pro vsechny aby nemuseli odjizdet ven z mesta)

problem

politika = zadny politik si to nedovoli, nema to podporu

reseni

- delat pruzkumy, jestli uz jsou na to lidi zrali
- priklady z transition cities a z Kuby po padu SSSR
- studovat politicka hnuti
- Fourth, a better grasp is needed of the political and economic interests that might oppose or support degrowth. For example, how do groups such as the think tanks, corporations, lobbyists and political parties that work to support elite interests organize, nationally and internationally, to scupper progressive economic and social policy? The role of the media in shaping pro-growth attitudes remains underexplored. Given the links between economic growth and geopolitical power, individual nations might be disinclined to act alone, for fear of facing competitive disadvantage, capital flight or international isolation. This ‘first mover’ problem raises the question of whether, and under what conditions, high-income countries might cooperate towards a degrowth transition.

.. za me, to spis drzim palce te jaderne fuzi. Nevim no.