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    TUHODezinformace o klimatu // Rage Against the Fossil Machine
    PETER_PAN
    PETER_PAN --- ---
    PETER_PAN: Tam jde o 1 vec. Ted kdyz tohle tema vic a vic studuju tak je jasne ze ta narocnost te transformace bude zejmena kolem vyroby elektricke energie. Transformace prumyslu a provozu civilizace na neemitujici bude stat trvalou vyrobu elektriny v levelu (cisla se mirne lisi a nikdo je nopocita globalne, ale jen na mensi lokality) cca 2.5x soucasne produkce. A to nejde s OZE + baterky udelat. Tzn. bez podpory JE je to bud nerealizovatelne, nebo se strukturou spolecnosti odpovidajici evrope po 1.sv.valce. A to pri dnesnich schopnostech lidi neni v Evrope moc realne. Protoze transformovat energetiku je maraton na cca 30 let, tak nepodporovani JE ted, znamena strkat hlavu do pisku a je to stejna zmrdovina pro "planetaritu" jako si muzeme precist z produkce IVK.
    PETER_PAN
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    TUHO: Ja jsem to shlidnul.
    Dokud zeleni (nejen SZ, ale cela ta socialne-kulturni bublina od Patrika po GP) nebudou podporovat JE, aplikaci technologii ktere jsou, referovani o bezpecnosti (tj. treba nevyvazet dezinfo do lokalit kde se ma dojit ke stavbe uloziste jaderneho odpadu) a podporovat vyvoj, jsou stejne toxicti jako Sevcik.
    Tim ze na jedne strane hovori o nutnosti zmeny ktera bude neco stat a na druhe strane proti JE argumentuji tim ze je draha, klesaji na uroven tech co v jedne vete reknou ze klimaticke zmeny zpusobene clovekem neexistujou a v druhe vete zahlasi ze bude alespon vic teplo a budou nam tu rust lepsi broskve.
    TUHO
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    PETER_PAN: ja to nevidel cely, ale to, ze se na nejchudsi poradne nemysli me stve taky. ale imho sevcik na ne kasle jeste vic ,))
    PETER_PAN
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    TUHO: S tim co pises tak souhlasim!
    Muj puvodni prispevek (abych nerozbijel diskuzi, sorry za smazani) byl o tom ze se Sevcikem souhlasim s tim ze ty opatreni zasahnout nejchudci a chude (a ja dodavam pracujici tridu ve sluzbach). Take souhlasim s tema 2 zminkama ohledne jaderne energetiky.

    Jinak je to blbec, o tom zadna.
    TUHO
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    PETER_PAN: jo, zatimco dopady klimaticky krize se nejchudsich nijak nedotknou :) plus von tam rika, ze klimatixky zmeny jsou zcela prirozene a odkazuje se na NASA, ktera ovsem tvrdi opak a ve skutecnosti je to dlouhodobe nejaktivnejsi instituce, ktera pred antropo klima zmenami varuje, uz minimalne tricet let. Pak se odkazuje n Milankovixovy cykly, ktery neumi ani spravne precist. Blbec, o co blbejsi, o to arogantnejsi
    TUHO
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    Sevcicek .))

    Miroslav Ševčík: Hloupá zelená opatření EU zasáhnou nejchudší - CNN Prima NEWS
    https://cnn.iprima.cz/sevcik-mraz-prichazi-z-bruselu-hloupa-zelena-opatreni-eu-zasahnou-nejchudsi-34057
    TUHO
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    HIV does not cause AIDS. The world was created in 4004 BCE. Smoking does not cause cancer. And if climate change is happening, it is nothing to do with man-made CO2 emissions. Few, if any, of the readers of this journal will believe any of these https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/19/1/2/463780statements. Yet each can be found easily in the mass media.

    The consequences of policies based on views such as these can be fatal. Thabo Mbeki's denial that that HIV caused AIDS prevented thousands of HIV positive mothers in South Africa receiving anti-retrovirals so that they, unnecessarily, transmitted the disease to their children.1 His health minister, Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, famously rejected evidence of the efficacy of these drugs, instead advocating treatment with garlic, beetroot and African potato. It was ironic that their departure from office coincided with the award of the Nobel Prize to Luc Montagnier and Françoise Barré-Sinoussi for their discovery that HIV is indeed the case of AIDS. The rejection of scientific evidence is also apparent in the popularity of creationism, with an estimated 45% of Americans in 2004 believing that God created man in his present form within the past 10 000 years.2 While successive judgements of the US Supreme Court have rejected the teaching of creationism as science, many American schools are cautious about discussing evolution. In the United Kingdom, some faith-based schools teach evolution and creationism as equally valid ‘faith positions’. It remains unclear how they explain the emergence of antibiotic resistance.

    Elsewhere, the hand of powerful corporate interests can be seen. It took many decades for the conclusions of authoritative reports by the US Surgeon General3 and the British Royal College of Physicians4 on the harmful effects of smoking to be accepted, while even now, despite clear evidence of rapid reductions in myocardial infarctions where bans have been implemented, there are some who deny that second-hand smoke is dangerous. In large part this was due to the efforts of the tobacco industry to deflect attention to other putative causes of smoking-related diseases, from stress to keeping pet birds. The reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have suffered similar attacks from commentators with links to major oil companies.

    All of these examples have one feature in common. There is an overwhelming consensus on the evidence among scientists yet there are also vocal commentators who reject this consensus, convincing many of the public, and often the media too, that the consensus is not based on ‘sound science’ or denying that there is a consensus by exhibiting individual dissenting voices as the ultimate authorities on the topic in question. Their goal is to convince that there are sufficient grounds to reject the case for taking action to tackle threats to health. This phenomenon has led some to draw a historical parallel with the holocaust, another area where the evidence is overwhelming but where a few commentators have continued to sow doubt. All are seen as part of a larger phenomenon of denialism

    Denialism: what is it and how should scientists respond? | European Journal of Public Health | Oxford Academic
    https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/19/1/2/463780
    TUHO
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    TUHO: Jinak src zde

    A history of FLICC: the 5 techniques of science denial - Cranky Uncle
    https://crankyuncle.com/a-history-of-flicc-the-5-techniques-of-science-denial/
    TADEAS
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    dezinfo / spin?

    Evropě chybí elektřina i plyn. Je vydaná na milost rozmarům počasí - Seznam Zprávy
    https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/evrope-chybi-elektrina-i-plyn-je-vydana-na-milost-rozmarum-pocasi-174945
    TUHO
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    How to transform apocalypse fatigue into action on global warming | Per Espen Stoknes
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5h6ynoq8uM
    TUHO
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    TUHO
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    Vermont on Tuesday became the latest state to sue some of the country’s top fossil fuel companies by alleging they misled the public about the impact their products have on climate change.
    The state wants the companies to tell consumers that the use of fossil fuel products harms the environment, Vermont Attorney General T.J. Donovan said after the lawsuit was filed in Vermont Superior Court in Burlington.
    The warnings could be similar to those noting the danger of tobacco products or food products that include nutritional and calorie information, he said.
    Donovan, speaking outside the Chittenden County courthouse in downtown Burlington where the lawsuit was filed, said they are not trying to prevent the companies from selling their products in the state and that Vermonters will continue to be able to use fossil fuels.
    “What we are saying is that Vermonters have the right to know,” Donovan said. “Give Vermonters accurate information. Put a label on the product and let Vermonters decide.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/vermont-sues-4-oil-companies-alleges-false-info-on-climate/2021/09/14/0b8a58a6-1581-11ec-a019-cb193b28aa73_story.html
    TUHO
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    Sky News and The Times too, have lambasted Harry's carbon-intensive jetsetting. All three publications are tied to Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, which previously denied the science of climate change. Murdoch is on the advisory board of Genie Energy, an energy company that invests in oil and gas projects.
    London mayor Sadiq Khan, an anti-pollution advocate, got similar treatment from The Sun, another Murdoch-owned publication, for flying 32,000 miles between 2016 and 2019 and purchasing 4.3 million paper towels in a year.
    According to Michael Mann, an atmospheric science professor at Pennsylvania State University, these types of stories are part of a larger strategy: Groups that support the continued use of fossil fuels have increasingly begun to point out climate advocates' seemingly hypocritical behavior, rather than denying that climate change is real. It's one of many new strategies the fossil-fuel industry has adopted, according to Mann's latest book "The New Climate War."
    Mann told Insider that in his view, "2009-2010 was the last hurrah for good old fashioned climate-change denialism." By 2019, 62% of Americans agreed that climate change was affecting their day-to-day lives.
    "It's beyond not being able to deny the science," he said. "It's now a matter of having to deny reality."

    Fossil-Fuel Interests Are 'Carbon Shaming' Climate Advocates
    https://www.businessinsider.com/fossil-fuel-interests-target-climate-advocates-personally-2021-8
    KEB
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    KEB: btw nepředpokládám, že by v té citované studii byly zohledneny emise při těžbě, výrobě a distribuci paliv, to bych chtěl už asi moc.
    KEB
    KEB --- ---
    Jde zelené agendě o záchranu planety? Spíš o likvidaci kapitalismu | Týdeník pro ekonomiku, politiku a byznys
    https://www.tydenikhrot.cz/clanek/no-nekup-to-elektromobily-oteplovani-kapitalismus

    Jo začínám mít Párala čím dál radši :-D
    TUHO
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    Shell a umco

    „Dopad na životní prostředí se ztrácí ze zřetele tím, že se instituce zaměřují na výhody ropy a plynu pro vytváření a prosperitu nizozemského sociálního státu a zemědělského průmyslu,“ upozorňují Plets a Kuijt v BMGN – Low Countries Historical Reviews, mezinárodně uznávaném vědeckém časopise zaměřeném na historiografii Nizozemska a Belgie. Jak autoři článku uvádějí v doprovodném videu, společnosti Shell a NAM se snaží prezentovat v rámci programu muzea svůj pozitivní obraz. „Vidíte, jak se snaží návštěvníka přesvědčit o své roli a důležitosti fosilních paliv v minulosti, současnosti a budoucnosti Nizozemska a zapisují se tak do její historie.“

    Vědecká studie popisuje vliv fosilních společností na nizozemská muzea - Artalk.cz
    https://artalk.cz/2021/09/09/vedecka-studie-popisuje-vliv-fosilnich-spolecnosti-na-nizozemska-muzea/
    TUHO
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    TADEAS: Zubarovi uz je expertiza na Covid malo. Asi kouka, kde by blbejma radama mohl zabit jeste vic lidi
    KEB
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    YBUKO: Já psal původně curak, ale nebyl jsem si jistý jestli bych si tím nezkazil image slušného mladého gentlemana :-D
    YBUKO
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    TADEAS: jářku, jen velmi nerad sahám po impertinentních výrazech porušujících společenský bonton, ale... je ten člověk už debil?
    KEB
    KEB --- ---
    TADEAS: začíná být jak picsakova, odborník na všechno
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