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    GORGworld conspiracy // 911 // free world order! ... part 5 ::
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/28/internet-war-cyber-russia-ukraine/

    But while Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has spawned all manner of cyberattacks and defenses, few are playing out the way the experts thought they would.

    As of Monday, five days after tanks moved into Ukraine, the Internet and other key Ukrainian infrastructure were still functioning, the outgunned Ukrainian military was still coordinating effectively and Russia’s vaunted disinformation capabilities were failing to persuade Ukrainians that resistance is futile.

    “We imagined this orchestrated unleashing of violence in cyberspace, this ballet of attacks striking Ukraine in waves, and instead of that we have a brawl. And not even a very consequential brawl, just yet,” said Jason Healey, a former White House staffer for infrastructure protection and intelligence officer who’s now a research scholar on cyber conflict at Columbia University.

    A vastly larger, more powerful military — one especially feared for its cyber-military prowess — has allowed Ukrainians almost unfettered access to the Internet. This has helped them get weapons to citizens and harness social media to rally global political support through direct, emotional appeals backed by stirring visuals.

    “It’s certainly not what anyone predicted,” said Dmitri Alperovitch, a longtime cybersecurity executive and U.S. government adviser who heads Silverado Policy Accelerator.




    Could Russia shut down the internet in Ukraine? | Ukraine | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/01/could-russia-shut-down-the-internet-in-ukraine

    Analysis: On a national level, web access has so far been largely unaffected by the invasion, and supports daily life

    // panove zkuste nekdy pripustit, ze se o vecech da diskutovat. treba to neni pravda, ze by se nepokouseli Rusaci tam je odriznout od elektriky a internetu.. treba jedu nejake nesmysly, ale tohle je proste normalni validni tema... a relevantni k tomu jsou zalezitosti koordinovane snahy vyradit Ukrajinu z velke casti od proudu i internetu.. obzvlast pokud tam jedem pachat valecne zlociny, bych urcite vyradil internet.
    ja i koukal na nejaky streamy, kde se bavili s lidma z Kyjeva.. ta clanek popisuje, jak jim jede furt internet. na CNN Prima popisujou, ze jim jdou mobilni site, takze i pres telefon jsou v kontaktu do CR.
    a misto konstruktivni debaty zas ad hominem mne snazici se tady tvrdit, ze tam internet nefungoval ani elektrika netece

    o cem se mluvili bylo akorat vybombeni toho televizniho vysilace..

    cely roky jsme tu presvedcovani o vsemocnosti ruskych hackeru.. a ze v minulych letech zpusobili vypadky proudu.. a ted jsou jakoze neschopni?

    nekonzistence:

    Despite years of preparation, Ukraine’s electric grid still an easy target for Russian hackers - POLITICO
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/19/despite-years-of-preparation-ukraines-electric-grid-still-far-from-ready-for-russian-hackers-00010373

    Portions of Ukraine’s electric system went dark following two Russian cyberattacks in recent years. Efforts to strengthen the grid in the years since likely won’t be enough to fend off Russian hackers.

    Instead, the Ukrainian power supply remains vulnerable to a major hacking assault that could inflict extended blackouts in much of the country as part of an armed invasion by Moscow, cybersecurity experts say.

    Ukraine experienced smaller-scale cyberattacks linked to Russia in 2015 and 2016 including one that turned off the lights for almost a quarter-million Ukrainians
    — an assault that also raised alarm bells in countries like the U.S. about the security of their own electric grids.

    “If Russia wants to take down the Ukrainian electric system, I have full confidence that they can, and the Ukrainian playbook in many ways is in a place where prevention’s not going to happen,” Robert M. Lee, CEO and co-founder of cybersecurity group Dragos, said in an interview. He argued corruption and economic barriers in Ukraine have gotten in the way of hardening the electric grid. The Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, D.C., did not respond to a request for comment.
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    OMNIHASH: ja o voze,...
    dolozil jsem tu myslenku zapadnimi zdroji. ze to nejsou jen moje slova. nejaky tweet, ze v nekde nejde proud hajpujici starlink po tydnech valky, ignoruje napsany text.
    OMNIHASH
    OMNIHASH --- ---
    Gorgovo divení se nad invalidním předpokladem, díl miliontý první

    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1512108308907372553
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    proste tvrzeni, ze s ohromnou armadou zdecimovali mraky obytnych domu, ale nebyli schopni poskodit par sloupu elektrickeho vedeni?

    jak jsem linkoval, vrtalo to hlavou i tem, ktery zrovna moc k sympatiim k Rusku obvinovat nemuzeme.
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    HONZA09: no "nevi, co delaji" je narativ, ktery slysime od zacatku v nasich mediich, takze bych to bral s rezervou malujici je jako bridily. celkem bezne asi ve valecnem zpravodajstvi pro udrzeni moralky

    ja se teda neodvazuju hodnotit ze sve pozice, jak moc se tam komu dari

    a jak uz tu zaznelo .. treba ten narativ "nepodarilo dobyt Kyjev".. vychazi z predpokladu, ze cilem bylo vojensky obsadit Ukrajinu. mozna bylo, ale to je to, co tvrdi Zapad... taky dobry uvazit.
    HONZA09
    HONZA09 --- ---
    To máš jak s těma tankama, co jsme jim tam poslali. Nebo tím protiraketovým systemem od Slováků. Pokaždé tvrdili, jak tohle vyzbrojování Ukrajinců nedopustí. No a reálně s tím neudělali vůbec nic.
    HONZA09
    HONZA09 --- ---
    GORG: Celá ta jejich invaze je podělaná od úplného začátku. Tvrdím, že vůbec neví, co dělaj a hlavně co maj dělat. Je to epic fail na všech levelech od nejnižších vojínů až po Putina, kterýmu se to celý sype pod rukama. Trochu líp jim to jde akorát na Donbase a tam třeba Mariupol od vody a elektřiny odstřihli. Takže když můžou, tak to udělaj. Akorát oni spíš nemůžou, protože jsou úplně neschopný. Jediný co jim jde je loupit, vraždit a znásilňovat bezbranný civilisty a nebo je odstřelovat raketama z bezpečný vzdálenosti. Ale jakmile se proti nim postaví vyzbrojenej a organizovanej odpor, tak je sfoukne jako svíčku.
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    HONZA09: Ze nebyli schopni dobyt elektrarnu opravdu tu takhle tvrdis? :)

    mluvim o tomhle:

    Krym je bez elektrické energie, stožáry vedení byly odpáleny
    https://oenergetice.cz/zahranicni/krym-je-bez-elektricke-energie-stozary-vedeni-byly-odpaleny

    Krym se v neděli ocitl bez dodávky elektrické energie z Ukrajiny poté, co byly stožáry elektrického vedení přes noc odpáleny. V zemi byl vyhlášen nouzový stav.

    Člen ruského senátu tento krok popsal jako „teroristický čin“ a naznačil, že ho mají na svědomí ukrajinští nacionalisté.


    skutečně ty nepotřebuješ útočit na elekrárnu. však si vzpomeň, jak stačí silnější vítr a popadají nějaký stromy ne vedení a už máš v nějaké oblasti výpadek. kolikrát jsme rádi, že to funguje, i pokud se to nikdo nesnaží shodit.
    útok na elektrárnu ani toho moc nutně neřeší, i když opravit přímo elektrárnu se samozřejmě dá pak hůř než "jen" vedení.ale útokem na vedení to odstříhneš úplně.

    nebo jak v mém článku řeší taky kybernetický útok. každopádně už z jara na začátku invaze strategicky žejo.
    HONZA09
    HONZA09 --- ---
    GORG: No tak vidíš. Vždyť to tam máš napsaný.

    Truhly unable to take it out.
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    HONZA09: mluvim o utoku na infrastrukturu.. oddtrizeni cele ukrajiny od elektriny a mobilni site

    A to se nedela utokem na elektrarnu ne? Elektrina se rozvadi kabely pres rozvodni site, takze je narusis a pokud mozna hned na zacatku valky. Samozrejme pak ale dane zemi trva o dost dyl se zpet postavit na nohy se znicenou infrastrukturou

    Nebo jak tu pisou soudruzi z Time treba. Ti se nad tim taky podivuji:

    Why Russia Hasn't Launched Major Cyber Attacks | Time
    https://time.com/6153902/russia-major-cyber-attacks-invasion-ukraine/

    For instance, one explanation for why Russia left Ukrainian electricity distribution and communication networks intact was that Putin wanted the rest of the world to see Russia’s swift, decisive victory in Ukraine via a steady stream of images and videos that might have been hampered by such an attack. But as it becomes increasingly clear that no swift, decisive victory is forthcoming, it makes less sense that Russia would continue to leave that infrastructure untouched unless they were truly unable to take it out.

    // kdyz meli v CNN Prima spoty z UA s tou Stomatovou , taky se ji ptali na funkcnost mobilnich siti a internetu a ta rika, ze ty funguji , coz opet sedi na jiz napsane

    Nebo o tom se taky uz nesmi mluvit?
    KAJJAK
    KAJJAK --- ---
    o to vic byli ukrajinci namotivovani bojovat, jelikoz se vedelo, ze tohle prijde...
    KAJJAK
    KAJJAK --- ---
    GORG:

    ale to prece neni nic noveho, ze Rusi ve valkach takhle vrazdi civilisty, to zatim delali ve vsech valkach kde byli, aby zabranili partyzanske valce a pomoci civilistu armade soupere... Ukrajinsti generalove to moc dobre vedi, jelikoz oni sami mnoha takovym jednotkam v sovetske armade veleli a tyto rozkazy sami plnili...
    HONZA09
    HONZA09 --- ---
    GORG: A útok na elektrárnu v Zaporoží byl co? Nebo třeba tohle...

    Nemáme vodu a elektřinu. Rusové nás ničí, volá starosta Mariupolu o pomoc - iDNES.cz
    https://www.idnes.cz/zpravy/zahranicni/ukrajina-rusko-valka-invaze-boje-mariupol-humanitarni-voda.A220304_170523_zahranicni_jhr

    Když už lžeš, tak nelze alespoň takhle blbě.
    VOYAGER
    VOYAGER --- ---
    Change your channel | Mallence Bart-Williams | TEDxBerlinSalon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfnruW7yERA
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    RIVA: jako zajimavy, jak nikdo ze Zapadu nebo Russia basheru se nepozastavil nad tim, ze pokud tam Rusaci opravdu delaji nejakou genocidu po nas potopa krutou, proc nenarusili elektrickou ani mobilni sit (takze lidi muzou streamovat jejich krutosti), coz se ale ve valkach zatim vzdycky delo, ze se utocilo na infrastrukturu.

    na tohle upozornovali nekteri uz prvni dny toho konfliktu, ze stoji za povsimnuti.
    RIVA
    RIVA --- ---
    Rozhovor britskeho rappera Zubyho s Gonzalem Lirou aka. Coach Red Pill, zijicim v Charkove na Ukrajine o soucasne situaci v teto oblasti:

    'Ukraine - What is Really Happening?' - Gonzalo Lira | Real Talk with Zuby #200
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFhkJZ3Dyb4


    Gonzalo Lira is an American who’s lived in the Eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv for years and was in Kyiv at the start of the offensive. He shares his thoughts and observations on the conflict in a run of YouTube videos and posts on Telegram and Twitter.
    OMNIHASH
    OMNIHASH --- ---
    GORG: jasně že je, když posledních 100 let on i jeho předchůdci tvrdě makali na tom, aby to tak bylo, a ve chvíli, kdy se objevil jakejkoliv potenciální kandidát, vyfasoval buď kulku, nebo novičok.
    Ne, takhle to vypadá jenom v ruským narativu. Janukovič ztratil legitimitu ve chvíli, kdy dopustil masakr protestujících, a ukrajincům došla trpělivost. To už se halt bohužel stává, že během revolucí dochází k potlačení práva a standardizovanej procesů.
    GORG
    GORG --- ---
    OMNIHASH: Je otázka, jestli Putin taky není v Rusku to nejlepší v nabídce. Zirinovsky zemrel tak aspon ten uz ted nehrozi.
    Kazdopadne dobre mit na pameti, ze kazdy politik a obzvlast herci jako Zelenovsky, muzou byt loutky tech, kteri ho financovali. A herci jsou na tohle idealni
    Jeste tam byla tahle particka https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/ukraine-darth-vader-president-internet-party

    OMNIHASH: volici mozna, ale legalita je tam zjevne sporna, jestli muzeme tvrdit, ze byl Zelensky legalne konstitucionalne umisten jako prezident

    It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war | Seumas Milne | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
    When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.

    How William Hague Deceived the House of Commons on Ukraine | HuffPost UK Politics
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-morrison/ukraine-willliam-hague_b_4933177.html

    "It is wrong to question the legitimacy of the new authorities", he said.

    It is simply untrue that the Rada followed the procedure laid down in the Ukrainian constitution to impeach and remove a president from power.

    Article 108 of the constitution specifies four circumstances in which a president may cease to exercise power before the end of his term. Those are:

    - resignation;
    - inability to exercise his or her powers for reasons of health;
    - removal from office by the procedure of impeachment;
    - death.

    The procedure for removal from office by impeachment is laid down in Article 111. It is not unlike that required for the impeachment and removal from power of a US president, which could take months.

    Thus, Article 111 obliges the Rada to establish a special investigatory commission to formulate charges against the president, seek evidence to justify the charges and come to conclusions about the president's guilt for the Rada to consider. To find the president guilty, at least two-thirds of Rada members must assent.

    Prior to a final vote to remove the president from power, the procedure requires

    - the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to review the case and certify that the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration has been followed, and
    - the Supreme Court of Ukraine to certify that the acts of which the President is accused are worthy of impeachment.
    - To remove the president from power, at least three-quarters of Rada members must assent.

    The Rada didn't follow this procedure at all. No investigatory commission was established and the Courts were not involved. On 22 February, the Rada simply passed a bill removing President Yanukovych from office.

    Furthermore, the bill wasn't even supported by three-quarters of Rada members as required by Article 111 - it was supported by 328 members, when it required 338 (since the Rada has 450 members).


    Nevertheless, justifying UK support for the new regime in Kiev in the House of Commons on 4 March, William Hague said:

    "Former President Yanukovych left his post and then left the country, and the decisions on replacing him with an acting President were made by the Rada, the Ukrainian Parliament, by the very large majorities required under the constitution, including with the support of members of former President Yanukovych's party, the Party of Regions, so it is wrong to question the legitimacy of the new authorities."

    That gives the impression that the procedure prescribed in the Ukrainian constitution for the removal of a president from office had been followed, when in fact it hadn't and therefore the new authorities in Kiev are illegitimate.


    // proto mi prijdou tim spis reci o tom, ze boj na ukrajine je ted je boj za demokracii, prave takovy zvlastni. vypada to, ze je tam spis peknej binec. a my ruznym vecem privirame ocka. i vuci nepotismu, co po usazeni do prezidentskeho kresla okamzite zacal praktikovat. (coz je uplne kontra jeho postave prezidenta ze serialu, ktera stala prave proti nepotismu, proti oligarchum.. za spravedlnost a pravdu... jako Babis :D ten tu prece prisel taky vymest korupci zejo )
    VOJTHA
    VOJTHA --- ---
    OMNIHASH: prave, co kdyby to vyhrala ta prokremelska kobyla julia t. Ale pak by zase vedl putin valku proti ženě, a to by mohlo take vyburcovat slusny odpor... no dopadlo to jak to dopadlo
    OMNIHASH
    OMNIHASH --- ---
    RIVA: to máš z toho, že čerpáš informace z pro/ruskejch zdrojů, zbytek světa to vidí diametrálně odlišně a jak se soustavně ukazuje posledních pár let, pravda není uprostřed.
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