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    MUADDIB
    MUADDIB --- ---
    MARTIK: od Omnia jo? :)

    je to sice hezký, ale chtělo by to větší rozlišení?

    ULRIK: spíš by někteří umělci na tom indexu být neměli ne? :)

    KLATIC: mlč... ale souhlasím...
    MARTIK
    MARTIK --- ---
    KLATIC: no je to offtopic, ale uz leta mne odrazuje obalka Nocni Hlidky. Kdyz to vidim, tak se mi chce blejt. Pritom bych si to mozna i koupil :)
    SAMIEL
    SAMIEL --- ---
    KLATIC: nejsi, musime si poradne postezovat! Ja jsem treba nastesti sehnal Dunu, Spasitele i Deti ve starem vydani v perfektnim stavu. Ty nove hnusy jsem vubec nekupoval, jen si cas od casu koupim original, kdyz nejaky potkam v knihkupectvi.
    KLATIC
    KLATIC --- ---
    to se netyka jen Duny....obalky a cele zpracovani vetsiny scifi je na zebliti....mam nejake edicni rady nekdy z roku 92 a opakovane vytisky cehokoli jsou naprosta zoufalost.... jen cena je trikrat vyssi a grafika a tipografie 6x horsi..ale to jsem trochu OT....uz mlcim...
    ANNIE
    ANNIE --- ---
    ULRIK: spíš "umělci", ne? ;)
    ULRIK
    ULRIK --- ---
    někteří umělci by měli být na indexu...
    MARTIK
    MARTIK --- ---
    taky mate pocit, ze ceske edice maj jedny z nejodpornejsich obalek na trhu?
    o tehle nadhere se nam muze jen zdat..
    BUG
    BUG --- ---
    VODNIK: nojo sem dement uz to vidim:-) dik moc:-) jeste zkusim to forum kde snad najdu vsechny dily i v jiny nez pdb verui....
    VODNIK
    VODNIK --- ---
    BUG: nevím co jsi prošel, ale na nástěnce zmíněné diskuze je eknihovna.com, kde Duna je, na ebookforum je pochopitelně taky. Tak nevím, co ještě chceš...
    BUG
    BUG --- ---
    VODNIK: prosel sem toho hromadu a nikde nic (tim jako myslim ze vsude spousta vseho ale duna nikde)....nejakej dalsi napad? (proste me napadlo ze kdyz to tu je v en verzi tak by to nekde mohlo bejt i v cz verzi)
    VODNIK
    VODNIK --- ---
    BUG: místní diskuze o elektronických knihách, nástěnka. Případně se to jistě najde i na http://www.ebookforum.org/
    BUG
    BUG --- ---
    TAURUS: nemate nekdo pls Dunu (klasik 1 dil) v el podobe v cestine?
    TAURUS
    TAURUS --- ---
    Tak to dejte na nástěnku :-)
    DR_K
    DR_K --- ---
    a za dalsich 11 prispevku to nekdo pastnete znova, ju? udelame si z toho takovou zertovnou hru ;)
    TAURUS
    TAURUS --- ---
    Všechny možné knihy od FH, nejen Duna. I předehry, legendy a podobně.

    http://rapidshare.com/files/40501587/Herbert__Frank.rar
    ULRIK
    ULRIK --- ---
    A já si to přečtu vše od začátku...tohle mne navnadilo, dík:)
    WIPER
    WIPER --- ---
    Stryx: to rozhodne ano! A pohovorie o nich s trochou koreni v dymce... ;-D

    Tady dalsi perlicka. Trefne pozorovani FH ohledne naseo legalniho radu:

    "That's the test, Duncan."
    "You don't trust me?"
    "I trust your loyalty to the Atreides implicitly, without question."
    "Then what's this talk of corruption and testing?"
    "You were the one who accused me of having a police force. Police always observe
    that criminals prosper. It takes a pretty dull policeman to miss the fact that
    the position of authority is the most prosperous criminal position available."

    Idaho wet his lips with his tongue and stared at Leto with obvious puzzlement.
    "But the moral training of... I mean, the legal . . . the prisons to. . ."
    "What good are laws and prisons when the breaking of a law is not a sin?"
    Idaho cocked his head slightly to the right. "Are you trying to tell me that
    your damned religion is.. ."
    "Punishment of sins can be quite extravagant."
    Idaho hooked a thumb over his shoulder toward the world
    outside the door. "All this talk about death penalties . . . that flogging
    and..."
    "I try to dispense with casual laws and prisons wherever possible."
    "You have to have some prisons!"
    "Do I? Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police
    are effective. They're a kind of job insurance."


    Ku pozornosti take stoji spousta postrehu ktere videl FH v nasme svete a slovy svych postav o nich promlouva.


    ---

    Navic celym Bozskym imperatorem se tahne myslenka zakon vs. moralka (moralni kodex). FH poukazuje na to, ze moralni kodex obazeny v nabozenstvi, je "imprintovan" diteti podstate drive nez je schopno pochopit "legalni pravni rad". Spravne naimrintovane nabozenstvi se vykonava bez otazek a premysleni. Proto je to take "vira". Tedy pokud je nas moralni kodex obsazen v nabozenstvi, je tady jista sance ze bude dodzovan. Navic hrich vs. poruseni zakona ma jeste jednu dimensi. Jak se rika, zlocin je "to" jen kdyz se na "to" prijde. Ale buh vidi vsechno. Pred nim je zlocinem kazdy hrich a nelze se vyhnout odpovednosti, jako pred "pravnim radem".

    STRYX
    STRYX --- ---
    Ja si ty dalsi dily asi budu muset precist... ;o)
    WIPER
    WIPER --- ---
    Aaah, nevim jak je to mozne, ale mam pocit ze Dune od Franak Herberta me jako me osobni filosoficky provodce intelektualnimi namety naprosto fascinuje.

    Zde male zamysleni Franak Herberta na tema AI. V dialogu BG a Bozskeho imperatora.


    "And you do not fear the lxians' machine?" Anteac insisted.
    "Is automation synonymous with conscious intelligence?" he asked.
    Anteac's eyes went wide and filmy as she withdrew into her memories. Leto found
    himself caught by fascination with what she must be encountering there within
    her own internal mob.
    We share some of those memories, he thought.
    Leto felt then the seductive attraction of community with Reverend Mothers. It
    would be so familiar, so supportive. . . and so deadly. Anteac was trying to
    lure him once more.
    She spoke: "The machine cannot anticipate every problem of importance to humans.
    It is the difference between serial bits and an unbroken continuum. We have the
    one; machines are confined to the other."
    "You still have the power of reason," he said.
    "Share!" Luyseyal said. It was a command to Anteac and it revealed with sharp
    abruptness who really dominated this pair-the younger over the older.
    Exquisite, Leto thought.
    "Intelligence adapts," Anteac said.
    Parsimonious with her words, too, Leto thought, hiding his amusement.
    "Intelligence creates," Leto said. "That means you must deal with responses
    never before imagined. You must confront the new."
    "Such as the possibility of the Ixian Machine," Anteac said. It was not a
    question.
    "Isn't it interesting," Leto asked, "that being a superb Reverend Mother is not
    enough?"
    His acute senses detected the sudden fearful tightening in both of the women.
    Truthsayers, indeed!
    "You are right to fear me," he said. Raising his voice, he demanded: "How do you
    know you're even alive?"
    As Moneo had done so many times, they heard in his voice the deadly consequences
    of failure to answer him correctly. It fascinated Leto that both women glanced
    at Moneo before either responded.
    "I am the mirror of myself," Luyseyal said, a pat Bene Gesserit answer which
    Leto found offensive.
    "I don't need pre-set tools to deal with my human problems." Anteac said. "Your
    question is sophomoric`."

    "Hah, hah!" Leto laughed. "How would you like to quit the Bene Gesserit and join
    me'?"
    He could see her consider and then reject the invitation, but she did not hide
    her amusement.

    Zvlaste tucna cast texu ukazuje, ze Frank Herber byl vzdelany clovek a filosof. Alistair a Stryx jiste opet poznavaji casti z GEB o zrcadleni a "circular reasoning" ;-D
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