DARUMA: "In meditation" znamená také v kombinaci s meditací, což je jasné z kontextu toho článku, který je o srovnání meditace s účinkem LSD. A to je věc, o které se tady celou dobu dohadujeme.

DARUMA: LSD ako pomoc v meditacii? Co to je prosim pekne zase za hovadinu? Na to aby som vedel ze to je kravina nepotrebujem citat clanky na internete. Na googli toho najdes vela, ze?

DARUMA: tak to jo neco, darumuv dogmatismus ho dozene prohlaseni ze osho je mistr:-)
Darumo, myslis, ze Osho nekdy zkusil lsd?
Mimochodem vsiml sis, ze tam rika, ze to nejsou nejake snadno navozene prijemne stavy?:-)
Nerikam, ze ja s tim souhlasim, ale jak se s tim vyporadas ty, kdyz si rikal neco jineho, a ted to rika nekdo koho respektujes

SAGUS - Btw. Seš schopnej vyšťourat článek od nějakého respektovaného učitele jógy nebo meditace, který by doporučoval kombinovat LSD nebo houby s praxí? Já ti zatím nahodím článek od Oshoa, který mluví o opaku.

QUESTION: Can LSD be used as a help in Meditation?

Osho - LSD can be used as a help, but the help is very dangerous; it is not so easy. If you use a mantra, even that can become difficult to throw, but if you use acid, LSD it will be even more difficult to throw. The moment you are on an LSD trip you are not in control. Chemistry takes control and you are not the master, and once you are not the master it is difficult to regain that position. The chemical is not the slave now, you are the slave. Now how to control it is not going to be your choice.

Once you take LSD as a help you are making a slave of the master and your whole body chemistry will be affected by it. Your body will begin to crave LSD. Now the craving will not just be of the mind as it is when you get attached to a mantra. When you use acid as a help, the craving becomes part of the body; the LSD goes to the very cells of the body. It changes them. Your inner chemical structure becomes different.

There are many problems. Once you have been on an LSD trip you have a glimpse of something you have never known, something you have never felt. If you begin to practice meditation it is a long process, but LSD is not a process. You take it and the process is over; then the body begins to work.

Meditation is a long process – you have to do it for years, only then will the results be forthcoming. And when you have experienced a shortcut, it will be difficult to follow a long process. The mind will crave to return to using the drugs. So it is difficult to meditate once you have known a glimpse through chemistry; to undertake something that is a long process will be difficult. Meditation needs more stamina, more trust, more waiting, and it will be difficult because now you can compare.

Osho on LSD as an help in Meditation, Osho on LSD Trip & Meditation
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Therapy/LSD-an-Help-in-Meditation.htm

Většího ignoranta než jsi ty už jsem dlouho neviděl, bravo! :-)

DARUMA: spis debilni nazory, bez tvojho vytrvaleho trollingu uz by nikto z pritomnych nemal potrebu dalej to rozmazavat

SAGUS: zkušenost máš, a co dál?

DARUMA: som zvedavy, kedy sa to tvoje z vody navarene filozofovanie zastavi. Neni ti to uz trapne? Jako sorry ale posledny prispevok na urovni protidrogovej diskusie pre zakladne skoly.
Trespes sprostosti a nemas ani len mlhavu predstavu o tom, ake stavy ti dokazu navodit psychedelika, a v com spociva skutocna praca s nimi. Pre tvoju informaciu, primarnym ucelom nie je navodzovanie a zazivanie prijemnych stavov, ani "reklama na osviceni" ako tu uz padlo, to plati pre mdma ale LSD, huby, ayahuasca, meskalin a dalsie su trosku ine kafe. Bad trip je pojem ktory vymysleli prave ti ludia, ktori si na drogach ulietavaju a nikdy si z nich nic skutocne neodnesu, ktori hladaju prijemne zazitky a akonahle su konfrontovani so svojou temnejsou strankou, prepadaju panike, chcu ujst, chcu aby to prestalo. To je klzanie po povrchu ktore nikam nevedie, ale akonahle sa clovek tymto veciam postavi zprima, poriadne si na ne posvieti, moze touto cestou dojst k skutocnej vnutornej transformacii. Najzlomovejsie tripy mojho zivota boli tie, ked som liezol po stenach hruzou, ked bolo vse spatne, a ja som musel prist na to proc. Nozaj hlboka paca s psychedelikami nie je nic extra prijemne, zvlast ked sa k celemu procesu pridaju ocistne ucinky rastlin a cloveku je slabo, zvraci a ma tresavky. Si tak na mile vzdialeny teme o ktorej sa tak sebaisto vyjadrujes, ze mi je z toho skoro do placu. Skutocna psychedelia nie je utek pre slabochov, to je miesto odkial slabi utekaju, pred cim si zatvaraju oci a v tom najhorsom koncia v psychozach a skacu z okien, pravdu o svojej dusi neustoji kazdy.

Naozaj, uz prosimta mlc, tvoje teorie o pohodlnosti, nepochopeni, "jednodchsej ceste" su totalne mimo misu. Keby to naozaj bola jednoducha cesta, tak by snad vsetci co beru psychedelika asi dosli hodne rychlo realizacii, to da logika ze? Realita nam ale ukazuje ze to je trochu inak, ze sa vacsina psychonautov mota v kruzich a vlastne nicoho nedosahuju, a ja ti prezradim tajomstvo - nie je to preto, ze psychedelika su k nicomu, je to pre to ze cesta menicov vedomia je velmi narocna, dlhodoba, kladie na cloveka velke naroky, na jeho schopnost a ochotu introspekcie a na cistotu jeho zameru. Vacsina ludi stroskota hned na zaciatku, ale to nie je chyba metody, takisto ako nie je chyba jogy ked si niekto znici klby nespravnym sedenim....

A na zaver, drz sa prosim svojho presvedcenia, s pristupom akym fetujes jogu by ta halucinogeny dostali do liecebne. Pekne medituj, a nauc sa ze je fajn vyjadrovat sa na temy, o ktorych nieco viem ;).