JAXXE: Jak dela? Aspon hodinovej psychologickej pohovor, medicinálni anamneza / natoceni eeg?

Ad ostatni facilitatori ani turisthuasceros 1000$ tridy to nedelaj - no prave!! To je prece hruba nezodpovednost a mit 1% colateral damage kvuli byznysu.. ble. A predokladam ze zadny mozny negativni dopady typu je mozny ze se na 1/2 roku zblaznite se taky nezminujou.. jednou z toho bude pruser.

INK_FLO: mam pocit, jako bych byl na jiné konferenci ;D zas takova katastrofa to z mého pohledu nebyla... ale ano, zaba není vsemocna a par lidi s ezoegem a spiritualnim bypassem by se tam urcite naslo ;D muj celkovy dojem byl ale velmi pozitivni a jsem moc rad, ze jsem u toho mohl byt

JAXXE: To je ale neco co rika nekdo v komentarich (dik inkflo - jen se neloadovaly jsem ted na divnym pripojeni).

Kazdopadne me by nevadilo ze behem ceremonie dava lidem mirne elektrosoky az tolik jako ze nevenuje vubec cas priprave, vyberu lidi (zadny screening psychologicky ani medicinsky jako ze zabi jed kardiotoxicky - uz mu jeden kardiak exnul zeano) a predevsim - zadna integrace..

nemam nic proti tomu davat lidem silny halucinogeny v aspon nakym kontextu/settingu, jiste tim ze lidem rekne ze uvidi nebeskou lasku ji vetsina lidi taky dostane, ale dost lidi to muze dlouhodobe rozhodit, zvlast ezouse bez zkusenosti s narocnou integraci..

Proste sup sup 200 euro a dalsi pan na holeni a na letiste na dalsi staci.. chapu ze na sebe bere riziko precijen pracuje s ilegalnima latkama a ze to je jeho zivnost, ale stejne mi ta byznys stranka veci smrdi.. tenhle problem mam teda se vsema “ceremoniema” - je to proste moc drahy, lidi na tom dost vydelavaj..

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More high drama involving Octavio Rettig: Victoria Ochoa, again speaking with impeccable groundedness, clarity, and humility, directly confronted him for never admitting to being wrong or making mistakes. She then proceeded to name several: giving medicine to underage individuals against their parents’ wishes, claiming (incorrectly) to have permission from tribal governments to conduct ceremony using indigenous chants, being verbally abusive to participants, and so on. Rettig brought his chair and sat directly in front of her, but instead of responding with remorse or accountability he did nothing but defend defend defend. At least a dozen people nearby recorded the confrontation on their smartphones.

You call out Octavio, failing to mention the other clowns in the pond. Did you not hear Merrill Ward say he waits 30 days before asking someone (he treated) out on a date? THe same group attacking Octavio is the same group serving women alone, and charging $300-$1000 for 50 cents worth of medicine. Not to mention the female facilitator who shoves her fist up the rectums of her male patients while they are under. If the WBAC did anything, it aligned those of us who want to prevent this movement from going the way of the Timothy Leary's of the world.

INK_FLO: taky jsem se zucastnil, muj kratky report zde: http://www.bufoalvarius.com/clanky/wbac_filip_zaruba/

" the panel turned into a mini-intervention with Dr. Octavio Rettig Hinojosa (above center, in white shirt), one of the few bona fide celebrities in the bufo world and a controversial figure. On one hand, he is the renowned author of The Toad at Dawn, an informative and extremely personal account of his journey with sacred medicines. Rettig has traveled the world introducing people to toad medicine. He made a star entrance at the congress, greeted ecstatically by many appreciative acolytes, and he features heavily in Bondani’s film conveying the history and indigenous origins of this and other sacred medicines. On the other hand, he has been widely criticized for questionable practices.

The other panelists gently confronted him about allowing videos taken during ceremony to be posted on the internet and his rough interventions with people incapacitated by the medicine (pouring water into their mouths, conducting ceremony outdoors in unsafe settings, using an electrical device to zap people while they’re journeying, as seen in this disturbing YouTube video). Rettig responded with defensiveness, shouting angrily, charging around the room, and lashing out at those who raised objections to his manner: a deeply unattractive performance. The more he was pressed to listen to criticism, the more he stonewalled, until the tension in the room became so high that the elegant European woman behind me, a Rettig champion, literally screamed at the top of her lungs."

Romancing the Toad - Reality Sandwich
http://realitysandwich.com/323272/romancing-the-toad/