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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    GLOBETROTTER: a) dle myho hrozne podcenujes damage klimaticky zmeny. tady nejde o nejaky drobnosti, ale treba riziko globalniho hladomoru, migracnich vln o miliardach lidi, protoze velky casti planety se stanou neobyvatelnymi de facto b)rychla dekarnonizace = zbaveni se zavislosti na ruskem importu gosilnich paliv (ze kterych putler financuje svoji vojenskou diktaturu)
    GLOBETROTTER
    GLOBETROTTER --- ---
    SHEFIK: Nemyslím si, že Tvoje analogie odpovídá tomu, co píšu já. Takže: Budeš neustále leštit levou stranu auta, pokud Ti do pravé strany bude někdo neustále dělat hluboké rýhy šutrem?
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    SHEFIK: Argumentuješ jak popírači, osobní emise jsou zanedbatelné, problém je v systému. Ti, co mají moc, si myslí, že smyslem života je vydělat co nejvíc peněz, i když tím zničí většinu života na Zemi. Mně přijde ok jim dát najevo, že se nemají čím chlubit. Ať parkují radši v garáži než na chodniku.
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    #ccs #tech

    The world's first farm of mechanical CO2 absorbing trees
    https://youtu.be/8Gx8RW1IYjQ
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    SHEFIK: kamarat vozi v aute kompresor, tak by si to nafukal na mieste
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    GLOBETROTTER: ta tvoje prioritizace nedava smysl

    Zkusim ti odpovedet taky analogii. Mas auto. Mas sjetou gumu na jednom kole a brzdy za hranici zivotnosti. Budes ty veci resit obe najednou, nebo je jedna z nich dulezitejsi a tu druhou vyignorujes?

    Nektery problemy sou proste komplexni. Navic chytrym resenim muzes do budoucna vyresit obe najednou. Pokud prejdeme na clean energeticky zdroje, budeme i lokalne vice sobestacni... muze to vyresit hodne autokratickejch rezimu, protoze je odstrihneme od financovani a oni se sami od sebe zhrouti

    GOJATLA: tak me napada, prestanou ty lidi pouzivat suv, kvuli vyfouknutymu kolu? Nebo si tahle grupa lidi zavola odtahovku ci pouzije elektrickou pumpu... oboji spotrebuje energii/co2 aktualne. Akorat zhorsujou klimatickou situaci... kdyby radsi pomohli s transformaci energetiky
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    GLOBETROTTER: klimaticka zmena bude pokracovat do jisty miry i bez lidsky civilizace. nevypada to, ze by i velka nuklearni valka tu civilizaci mela ukoncit i kdyby probehla, naopak velky zvuseni teploty planety to udelat schopny je
    DZODZO
    DZODZO --- ---
    To je hodne blba analogia, ty asi ziadne deti nemas :)
    GLOBETROTTER
    GLOBETROTTER --- ---
    PER2: OK. Máš tři dospívající děti. Jedno utrácí rodinné finance za drogy. Druhé za alkohol. Třetí si pokaždé cestou ze školy koupí velmi drahou zmrzlinu, která ale stojí marginální částku oproti alkoholu a drogám. Víš že s prvním a druhým dítětem nic nesvedeš. Na druhou stranu víš, že pokud si to třetí přestane kupovat zmrzlinu, zachrání to rodinný rozpočet. Přijde Ti fér striktním zákazem šikanovat třetí dítě?
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    GLOBETROTTER: tak to asi nerozumim cesky
    GLOBETROTTER
    GLOBETROTTER --- ---
    PER2: ano a o tom píšu.
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    GLOBETROTTER: to ze na ukrajine probiha valka, nijak neodstranilo oteplovani planety a problemy s tim spojene, spise naopak
    GLOBETROTTER
    GLOBETROTTER --- ---
    Tadeáš mě asi zase smaže, protože tady se nosí jen jedna pravda, ale když se podíváte na uhlíkové, materiální, sociální atd.atd. škody již nyní vytvořené válkou na Ukrajině, tak o čem se tu ještě chcete bavit? Putler vyhrožuje koncem světa a vy tu budete diskutovat o zvýšení hladiny světových moří o centimetry?
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    Dusty Hinz
    28. říjen 2021
    https://www.facebook.com/dusty.hinz/posts/10100421344125518


    I think one of the fundamental questions of our time is, are we down to walk away from the comforts and ease that modern, technological, fossil fuels-based, industrial civilization provides us? Yet it is excruciatingly rare that I ever hear the question asked.

    If we are not, if we are going to ride this thing out to the scorched-earth bitter end, which is what it seems, then most other things are just bull shit posturing and fantastical techno-saviorist illusions.

    There is a zero sum game between all human activity and the rest of all nature. There is no techno-futurist utopia. Solar panels and wind turbines are not going to save us. In fact, as Jeff Gibbs says, we would do well to stop calling these forms of energy "renewable" or "sustainable", and should instead call them "technological energy".

    Not once, never have I ever heard on NPR when they are discussing climate change, a reference to the need for what I will call an ecological, bioregional embeddedness. Nothing even remotely close to this concept.

    I also think that just using the term "climate change" as a catch-all for all environmental issues is reductive and does a disservice to the multitude of crises that we face. As if, hey, let's just suck some carbon out of the atmosphere and we can go back to business as usual....this line of thinking is a fatal mistake.

    Mostly, a far-ranging, full-on assault is being waged against all of nature. So I prefer to use the term "eco-catastrophe" or "the converging eco-catastrophes".

    I don't think people really grasp the extent to which pretty much all aspects of modern life are bound up with the abundant use of fossil fuels, and thus, the monumental amount of sacrifice and hard-work it would take create an *actually* sustainable world that did not use them.

    It would take an upending. The vast majority of people would have to do something completely different on a day-to-day basis. Literally, the physical, material aspect of it all. They may not even be able to live where they currently live (cue the person that says "oh, you are talking about forced relocations"...no, what I am saying is that if something is not sustainable, then it's not sustainable, and there is no getting around that fact.)

    So, what I am saying, is that without a collective social vision, in which most of the population coalesces around a place-based, ecological, bioregional embeddedness, which would think deeply about the systems that we need and from my view would be agrarian and horticultural with a healthy dose of rewilding, and would prioritize agroforestry efforts...without this, the future seems to be one destined for a tragic, bleak, scorched-earth.
    GOJATLA
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    Tyre Extinguishers – deflating SUV tyres as a form of climate action | Climate crisis | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/18/tyre-extinguishers-deflating-suv-tyres-as-a-form-of-climate-action

    Acting autonomously and, usually, under the cover of darkness, the activists have used lentils to deflate tyres by placing one inside the tyre valve, holding it open and slowly bleeding air until the tyre is flat. The group calculates they’ve deflated the tyres on at least a thousand vehicles in two weeks.

    The response from the public has been much more welcoming than they expected.

    SUVs were the second largest contributor to the increase in global carbon emissions from 2010 to 2018. Each year, SUVs belch out 700 megatonnes of CO2, about the entire output of the UK and Netherlands combined.
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    Peter Carter
    https://twitter.com/PCarterClimate/status/1505289314397171713?t=T6lIzwYGFW4WD2QIeu4Zbw&s=19

    Simultaneous heat waves affect Arctic and Antarctic. Antarctic temperature is a record, and Antarctic sea ice (summer) was a record low. More evidence to suggest that the planet has entered a climate state that humans have never experienced.


    Antarctica, Arctic undergo simultaneous freakish extreme heat
    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/antarctica-arctic-undergo-simultaneous-freakish-extreme-heat-rcna20747

    20220320-073029
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    Reforestace jako přechodné řešení

    Temporary nature-based carbon removal can lower peak warming in a well-below 2 °C scenario | Communications Earth & Environment
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00391-z
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
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