TADEAS: hadam že by to mohli byt chcipajici lesní plantáže?

osobne proti tomu nic nemam ale je to proti prirode tak at se s tim uklidijou nekam

„Přehlasovali nás lidi, co bydlí kilometry daleko.“ Jak v Krouně na východě Čech dali zelenou obří větrné elektrárně
https://denikn.cz/1301459/
V obci Krouna v Pardubickém kraji hlasovalo 70 procent účastníků referenda pro stavbu 200metrové větrné elektrárny, která má vzniknout v okrajové osadě Františky. Při pohledu zblízka ale zdejší podpora větrníku není až tak jednoznačná.

YMLADRIS: "takze minuly tyden za to mohli miliardari, ted za to muze neoliberalismus, ale mi pripada ze za to muze proste to co jsi psal niz: lidi kteri maji majetky ve fosilu, udelaji vsechno proto, aby status quo pokracovalo, vcetne toho ze si dokazou zajistit triliony na dotacich at je tam trump nebo biden"
vypada to, jako bys potrebovala jednoho vinika. ale svet je slozitej, spolecensky deni je uplne vzdy souhra faktoru. na druhou stranu je taky tvarnej a nepredvidatelnej, zaroven USA jsou (jeste stale) demokracie, takze ta moc fosilnich lobbies neni absolutni a da se limitovat. Ostatne treba New Deal Franklina Roosevelta je dobrej priklad, ze se ty lobbisticky kruhy daj sesekat velmi vyrazne (ve prospech treba verejnejch projektu, socialniho zabezpeceni, vetsi bezpecnosti prace, environemntalnich opatreni a ochrany prirody).

TUHO: nemam zadny data. je to jen predstava, ze i kdyby US nebylo neoliberalni, ale totalne republikansky tradicni, stejne by se zadne green dealy nedelaly, nebot ten fosilni komplex je silnejsi nez bezna politika.

takze minuly tyden za to mohli miliardari, ted za to muze neoliberalismus, ale mi pripada ze za to muze proste to co jsi psal niz: lidi kteri maji majetky ve fosilu, udelaji vsechno proto, aby status quo pokracovalo, vcetne toho ze si dokazou zajistit triliony na dotacich at je tam trump nebo biden

ale pripoustim ze muzu byt uplne mimo

YMLADRIS: A jak si na to prisla? K tomu si mela nejaky data nebo slo proste projekce ideolgoickyho schematu (nic proti, vsichni mame svoje ideologicky predsudky a vsichni nemuzem vedet vsechno ovsem - imojine proto je tak ucinna fosilni propaganda, ktera presne tohle tlaci .) Aneb: zeleny jsou vevnitr rudy, ve skutecnosti jde o centralni stat, komunismus, globalni nadvladu atp, hromada narativu produkovanych na miru cilovym publikum a jejich ideologiim.
Ale imho to je uplnej bullshit, malokterej prumysl ma tak koncentrovanou lobbistickou silu jako je fosilni prumysl. I OZE ma samozrejme svoje lobbysticky skupiny, ale kvantitativni analyzy ukazujou, ze jsou o rad slabsi. Pohrabu se a casem kdyztak hodim

Neoliberalism and climate change: How the free-market myth has prevented climate action
Activists and scholars increasingly blame neoliberalism for the failure to sharply reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but there is insufficient research that investigates the theoretical link between neoliberalism and climate paralysis. This paper seeks to fill that gap by presenting a coherent account of how neoliberal ideology has constrained policies to address climate change in the United States. As motivation, we first present evidence suggesting more neoliberal countries perform worse in addressing climate change. We then analyze how three tenets of neoliberal ideology—to decentralize democracy, defund public investment, and deregulate the economy—have stymied climate action in the United States. Finally, we discuss the Green New Deal as a decisively anti-neoliberal framework that seeks to wield the power of the federal government to pursue large-scale public investments and binding climate regulations for rapid decarbonization.

Neoliberalism and climate change: How the free-market myth has prevented climate action - ScienceDirect
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921800922000155

TUHO: No, ne uplne to sem patri, ale obrovskym (a neauditovanym) zdrojem emisi je taky armada - a tedy zaruka bezpecnosti, teritorialni integrity a politickyho radu.

Turning Point: A History of German Petroleum in World War II and its Lessons for the Role of Oil in Modern Air Warfare
No war for oil is a protest frequently heard whenever the United States responds with military power to a crisis in the Middle East. There are some who believe the 1990s Gulf War, and current U.S. conflicts in Iraq and Libya, were inappropriate responses driven purely by U.S. petroleum interests. Others would argue those claims are more rhetoric than reality, and that America has a larger strategic goal in the region. However, it does beg the question--Is oil really worth going to war over And perhaps more importantly for both politicians and war planners--Is protecting oil a valid strategic military objective When one examines history, the answer is a resounding yes. Since the birth of the industrial age, crude oil has not only been the life-blood of an increasingly global economy, but also a determining factor in success or failure on the battlefield. This is particularly true when one considers the application of air power. In a matter of a few short decades, powered flight drastically changed the face of warfare. And while nearly a century of evolution has transformed air power from a small, supporting actor on the battlefield into a dominant force that provides modern nations with rapid and decisive military response, one truth has remained constant. No air force can survive for long without adequate and unrestricted access to oil.

Turning Point: A History of German Petroleum in World War II and its Lessons for the Role of Oil in Modern Air Warfare
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/AD1020261

YMLADRIS: Imho spousta stranded assets (velka cast hodnoty / zisku se odviji od specifickeho know how, vlastnictvi nebo licenci na fosilni naleziste, vetsina fosilni infrastruktury je planovana s gigantickejma investicema na desitky let dopredu…) Tozn velky risk z nezvladnute transformace pro management i vlastniky, malej push a zaruky ze strany verejnyho sektoru…

PETER_PAN: Paralyza je predevsim skrze organizovanej fosilni lobbing, dezinformacni kampane, cilenyho vytvareni mlhy, tlak na vybrany aktery, etc. Tohle meldovani na doomsayin miji podstatu veci: nejmocnejsi prumysly sveta, vcetne nejmocnejsich statu proste casto aktivne branej klimaticky politice.

PETER_PAN: Ja bych jeste dodal, ze mobilizace valecnyho prumyslu a masivni statni investice do vojensky vyroby vytahly USA finalne z dopadu velky hospodarsky krize a vedla k bezprecedentni urovni rustu stredni tridy a blahobytu sirokych vrstev obyvatel po valce (podle soucasnyho ekonomickyho mainstreamu by predluzeni melo znamenat krach, nicmene stal se opak).