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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day


    "Given the sheer enormity of climate change, it’s okay to be depressed, to grieve. But please, don’t stay there too long. Join me in pure, unadulterated, righteous anger."


    "I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act. Once you start to act, the hope is everywhere."

    "Our best scientists tell us insistently that a calamity is unfolding, that the life-support systems of the Earth are being damaged in ways that threaten our survival. Yet in the face of these facts we carry on as usual."

    “We’ve got to stop burning fossil fuels. So many aspects of life depend on fossil fuels, except for music and love and education and happiness. These things, which hardly use fossil fuels, are what we must focus on.”

    A nejde o to, že na to nemáme dostatečné technologie, ty by na řešení použít šly, ale chybí nám vůle a představivost je využít. Zůstáváme při zemi, přemýšlíme až moc rezervovaně. Technologický pokrok to sám o sobě nevyřeší. Problém jsme my, ne technologické nástroje.

    Rostouci hladiny oceanu, zmena atmosferickeho proudeni, zmeny v distribuci srazek a sucha. Zmeny karbonoveho, fosforoveho a dusikoveho cyklu, okyselovani oceanu. Jake jsou bezpecnostni rizika a jake potencialni klady dramatickych zmen fungovani zemskeho systemu?
    Ale take jak funguji masove dezinformacni kampane ropneho prumyslu a boj o verejne mineni na prahu noveho klimatickeho rezimu post-holocenu.
    rozbalit záhlaví
    XCHAOS
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    TADEAS: tak zastavení golfskýho proudu a nástup sibiřsko/kanadskýho klimatu by asi nebylo úplně to, co chceme.

    ne jako vážně, tady je blbý to, že dokud se to nepotvrdí, nikdo tu hrozbu nebere vážně. a když se to potvrdí (potvrdilo), tak je pozdě.

    RADIQAL: nevidím to přímo na masový vymírání (lidí) a vymírání druhů vlastně proběhlo ještě předtím. vidím to na takovýto, jak byly ty dvě léta, jak uschla polovina borovic. Takže něco podobného, ale daleko víc a nebudou to jen borovice (ale nebude to taky nutně jen sucho: budou to nespecifikovaný kalamity, požáry, sucha, kobylky všeho druhu, prostě kolaps ekosystémů nepřizpůsobených tomu či onomu extrému, můžou to být klidně i přívalové monzumové deště, víc tepla = víc vodní páry ve vzduchu...)
    TADEAS
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    RADIQAL: takzvany grupeX?
    RADIQAL
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    PER2: Tak co, klucí, dáme si jedno hromadný vymíráníčko? (Holky hrát nemusej.)
    PER2
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    TADEAS: treba se tim rapidnim oteplovanim spusti nejaky jev, ktery rapidne ochladi planetu :)
    RADIQAL
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    TADEAS: 🤣🤣🤣
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    XCHAOS: kdyz se oceany tak moc zahrivaji tak je jasne, ze pevnina se brzy rapidne ochladi. zakon zachovani energie. ask you local šáša
    TADEAS
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    PER2: urcite tam budou nejake hezke tradingove prilezitosti
    PER2
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    XCHAOS
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    TADEAS: to je dobrý peklo, když si uvědomíš, jaká masa vody to je...
    SEJDA
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    TADEAS: bambilionty startup se stejnym cilem .. mozna to tentokrat vyjde .. mozna az za 5 let ;)
    TADEAS
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    ‘Our imitation is total’: Spanish tech startup aims to put 3D-printed meat on our plates | Spain | The Guardian
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/11/spanish-startup-cocuus-pamplona-quest-3d-printed-meat-steak
    SHEFIK
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    TADEAS: realclimate se k tomu taky rozepsali:

    RealClimate: New study suggests the Atlantic overturning circulation AMOC “is on tipping course”
    https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2024/02/new-study-suggests-the-atlantic-overturning-circulation-amoc-is-on-tipping-course/

    The new study by van Westen et al. is a major advance in AMOC stability science, coming from what I consider the world’s leading research hub for AMOC stability studies, in Utrecht/Holland.
    ...
    The paper results from a major computational effort, based on running a state-of-the-art climate model (the CESM model with horizontal resolution 1° for the ocean/sea ice and 2° for the atmosphere/land component) for 4,400 model years. This took 6 months to run on 1,024 cores at the Dutch national supercomputing facility, the largest system in the Netherlands in terms of high-performance computing.
    ...
    Now this tipping point has been demonstrated for the first time in a state-of-the-art global coupled climate model, crushing the hope that with more model detail and resolution some feedback might prevent an AMOC collapse.
    ...
    “their estimate of the tipping point (2025 to 2095, 95% confidence level) could be accurate.”
    ...
    Most models even have the wrong sign of this important diagnostic, which determines whether the feedback on Atlantic salinity is stabilising or destabilising, and this model bias is a key reason why in my view the IPCC has so far underestimated the risk of an AMOC collapse by relying on these biased climate models.
    ...
    They show how particularly northern Europe from Britain to Scandinavia would suffer devastating impacts, such as a cooling of winter temperatures by between 10 °C and 30 °C occurring within a century, leading to a completely different climate within a decade or two, in line with paleoclimatic evidence about abrupt ocean circulation changes.
    ...
    Given the impacts, the risk of an AMOC collapse is something to be avoided at all cost. As I’ve said before: the issue is not whether we’re sure this is going to happen. The issue is that we need to rule this out at 99.9 % probability. Once we have a definite warning signal it will be too late to do anything about it, given the inertia in the system.
    ...
    ...
    In the reactions to the paper, I see some misunderstand this as an unrealistic model scenario for the future. It is not. This type of experiment is not a future projection at all, but rather done to trace the equilibrium stability curve (that’s the quasi-equlibrium approach mentioned above). In order to trace the equlibrium response, the freshwater input must be ramped up extremely slowly, which is why this experiment uses so much computer time. After the model’s tipping point was found in this way, it was used to identify precursors that could warn us before reaching the tipping point, so-called “early warning signals”. Then, the scientists turned to reanalysis data (observations-based products, shown in Fig. 6 of the paper) to check for an early warning signal. The headline conclusion that the AMOC is „on tipping course“ is based on these data.

    In other words: it’s observational data from the South Atlantic which suggest the AMOC is on tipping course. Not the model simulation, which is just there to get a better understanding of which early warning signals work, and why.
    TADEAS
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    TADEAS:

    Oceánské proudy zřejmě opravdu mohou zastavit a „zmrazit“ Evropu - Seznam Zprávy
    https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/zahranicni-oceanske-proudy-zrejme-opravdu-mohou-zastavit-a-zmrazit-evropu-245520
    TADEAS
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    HOWKING: pššt
    HOWKING
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    TADEAS: Byl pokořen stoletý rekord! (Cože? I před sto lety bylo takhle teplo?)
    TADEAS
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    FB-IMG-1707598772520
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    MARSHUS: novonormálie :)
    MARSHUS
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    TADEAS: a obdobné anomálie v Severní americe a Africe..
    TADEAS
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    R Kubala

    Dneska trochu analytičtější článek. Přečetl jsem za vás poslední dvě studie od Ember sledující vývoj na trhu s elektřinou a ukazuje se, že uhlí i plyn jsou v Evropě na značném ústupu. Alespoň teda ve výrobě elektřiny. Naopak slunce a vítr trhají rekordy

    👉 Článek "Evropa využívá čím dál méně elektřiny z fosilních paliv. Stačit to ale nebude" najdete zde:


    Evropa využívá čím dál méně elektřiny z fosilních paliv. Stačit to ale nebude
    https://denikreferendum.cz/clanek/36070-evropa-vyuziva-cim-dal-mene-elektriny-z-fosilnich-paliv-stacit-to-ale-nebude

    Data pro Evropu ukazují, že:
    👉 S koncem uhlí jsme přesně v polovině

    👉 Uhlí ve výrobě elektřiny pokleslo meziročně o 26 %, plyn o 15 %

    👉 Emise ze sektoru energetiky klesly o 19 %, což je víc než za covidu

    👉Vítr poprvé překonal plyn. Z větru jsme v Evropě vyrobili 19 % elektřiny, z plynu 18 %

    👉 Klíčový je výrazný nárůst solární a větrné energie. Druhým faktorem bylo snížení spotřeby energie zapříčiněné energetickou krizí

    👉 Německo snížilo emise o rekordních 21 %

    👉 Dokonce uhelný gigant Polsko se odklání od uhlí. Pomalu, ale jistě

    👉 Nic z toho stačit nebude ke zvládnutí klimatické krizi
    TADEAS
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    FB-IMG-1707586049630
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    Regenerating Mongolian Grasslands: A Savory & ADRA Partnership
    https://youtu.be/XCpzHIc9las?si=i32m9N6MBodFBUgq
    TADEAS
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    S Barlow
    https://twitter.com/SteB777/status/1755602205766463914?s=19

    When those such as @RogerHallamCS21 have warned that billions could die, he's been widely attacked for misrepresenting the science.

    So what does the science actually say? Well nothing really, there is no realistic science about this. No one is actually studying it.

    How will our system, our civilization, respond to those climate and ecological shocks, and how will it change the human system's ability to support and sustain the current population?

    Absolutely no one knows or is attempting to research that. Not even enough to make a guess.

    Things like the 2008 financial crash, demonstrate just how vulnerable our system is to in-built wobbles, let alone major changes and shocks to our system, from things such as climate change, ecosystems and biodiversity decline, parameters which wholly sustain our economy.

    What we need to understand is that our present system, is a system, totally reliant on lots of underlying processes, and that any change to these underlying processes, parameters, would profoundly change our whole civilization.

    Climate, and ecological shocks, will profoundly change how our system operates, our political systems, our governance, our economy, the financial system, and our societies i.e. our people and their attitudes. Nothing will be unchanged, and all will be radically altered.

    ...

    To be clear about this, climate science doesn't study the stability of our civilization, to climate shocks.

    Yes, climate science, looks into sea level rise, extreme weather, future climates, but this tells us nothing about the state of our civilization, in response to this.

    So if a climate scientist assures you it will not be catastrophic, they are not offering any sort of scientific opinion, because they've never studied the impacts on our societies and civilization, and how they'll respond to these shocks. They're just personal opinions.
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