MART1NKA: ja se chapu jako ENTP ve srovnani s nekolika INTP kolem mne

citim to jako urcitou škálu (ruzne moc vyhranena ta dominantni funkce)

a proc to resis, ze zajmu? nebo ma to nejake ty pracovni dusledky, zda jsi INTP? cele je to typologie = lež, visjak

BONDA: myslim ze mas tezkej zadek

YMLADRIS: Mala som konzultáciu v práci s človekom, ktorý sa MBTI zaoberá roky (u nás v práci na tom docela frčí manažment) a v náväznosti na téma INTJ/INTP musím povedať, že z každého testu mi vyjde ENTP, pretože na E/I otázky jednoduchých testov odpovedám pravdivo ako E. Som upovídaná, som rada v spoločnosti ľudí a nemám problém byť stredobodom pozornosti.
Nie je to tak jednoduché. Z konzultácie vyšlo INTP i napriek testu, pretože mám vraj primáne Ti a nie Ne. Keď sa porovnám s kolegom, ktorý je ENTP ad extremum a funguje ako generátor nápadov z ktorých väčšina nedáva pri vyslovení logicky zmysel, vidím tam rozdiel. Mne príde, že celý život brainstormuje, ale na ničom sa nezastaví dostatočne dlho, aby to dokázal uchopiť. Nosí ma so sebou aby som jeho nápady utla v počiatku, keď sú nerealizovateľné. Je to majster improvizácie.
Ja mám tendencie sa nadchnúť pre nejakú vec, preskúmať ju do najmenšieho detajlu, ktorý je dostupný a využiteľný a pak to nechať a presunúť sa k inej téme. Vyčerpám to relatívne rýchlo, vzrušenie z nepoznaného odpadne a začnem sa nudiť.
Som z toho docela zmätená. Musím preštudovať linky dole.

Inak každé NT vyvinie obrannú reakciu, keď jeho tvrdenie niekto označí za nelogické. Neviem, či ma niečo dokáže uraziť viac. V tom momente to ale u NTP spustí nový overovací proces, nie okamžité odmietnutie cudzieho názoru. Ak v ňom nájdem chybu, nie je problém prekalkulovať všetko na mieste. Nie je neobvyklé mať v prvej vete jeden názor, druhou si ho vyvrátiť a v tretej vysloviť nový záver :).

MART1NKA: ty mas Ne Ti, intp je velmi podobne, ale v jinem poradi Ti Ne.

Ty kdyz jedes 3 hodiny busem, nejspis vygenerujes 28 skvelych napadu planu asociacu myslenek na temata co by se mohlo melo dalo vyuzilo rozvinulo adaptovalo inovovalo... prohledavas do sirky. Oslovuje te kde co, jedes kolem pole slunecnic a uz jsi v haji. Ne urputne dorazi, vsechno te inspiruje.

Dalsi krok toho planu zpracovavas pomoci Ti - delas z toho system, aby se to nejak uchopilo posunulo privedlo do realizace. Ale Ne je silnejsi nez Ti, takze nekdy/casto prevalcuje. Jsi slabsi v logice, prioritach, zamereni, ponoreni, prohledavani do hloubky. Preletavas. Jsi spise TVORIVA nez logicka. Generujes furt neco. Budoucnost.

Zatimco INTP to ma naopak. Primarni je Ti. Tuto funkci nejvic oslovuje nejaky kompexni system a moznost ho nejak uchopit pobrat ohnout ke svym potrebam. Za 3 hodiny v busu je ochoten trcet na jednom tematu a je stastnej. Lego technics, 3D tiskarna, slozita konceptualni myslenkova vec, programovani, slozita hracka, teorie neceho, neco. Je slast se do toho ponorit, rozdloubat to neco s tim nejak obcovat. Jak obcovat? Napady (co vytvorit...) dodava Ne - skvely brilantni napady. Precejn je ale Ne sluzkou toho Ti, takze doplnuje jen kdyz Ti to potrebuje. Jsi spise LOGICKA nez tvoriva. Cizelujes jednu vec vic do hloubky, do impresivniho tvaru sloziteho dokonaleho. Casto te bere jak neco funguje / jak se neco stalo. Minulost jako by.

Oba typy jsou brutalne chytre otevrene flexibilni tvorive. Z pohledu nejakeho uplne jineho typu jsou vyse popsane rozdily tezko patrne. Oba INTP i ENTP dokazou Ne i Ti efektivne pouzivat, tj zabyvat se tzv naprostymi zhovadilostmi odtrzenymi od reality. Rozdil je jen v tom, co primarne slouzi cemu jako podpora.

Jo?

a jeste predtim:

Judging and Perceiving refer to the S/N and T/F dichotomies just described. J or P records which of the two dichotomies is used for dealing with the external world. J types tend to like a planned and organized approach to life and prefer to have things settled. P types tend to like a flexible and spontaneous approach to life and prefer to keep their options open. (The terminology may be misleading for some—the term "Judging" does not necessarily imply "judgmental", and "Perceiving" does not necessarily imply "perceptive" in the usual sense of the word.)

In J-types, the preferred judging function (T or F) is extraverted (displayed in the outer world). J-types tend to prefer a step-by-step (left brain: parts to whole) approach to life, relying on external rules and procedures, and preferring quick closure. The preferred perceiving function (S or N) is introverted. On the other hand, in P-types the preferred perceiving function is extraverted, and the preferred judging function is introverted. This can result in a more spontaneous approach to life (right brain: whole to parts), relying on subjective judgments, and a desire to leave all options open.

Introverts turn their dominant function inward, so the J or P indicates their auxiliary function. In INTP, for example, the P says that the perceptive function, in this case N, is the individual's extraverted function, so to most observers, the individual appears to be an iNtuitive; the INTP's dominant function is the T, but it is introverted, and thus harder for others to observe. (Socionics, a personality theory similar to MBTI, follows the opposite notation for introverts; the J/P designation in this theory refers to the dominant function for all types.)

docela dobry rozbor toho o cem se tady bavime:

http://www.dec.co.th/mbti_explanation.htm

Cognitive function dynamics in each type

In each type, all four of the cognitive, or mental functions, which are sensing, intuition, thinking and feeling, are present and arranged in a different order. The type acronym is used as a quick way to figure out this order, which is slightly different in introverts and extraverts. An important point to remember is that the first and last letter of the type are used as guides to figure out the order of the middle two letters, which are the main priority. The chart below this section has the dynamics worked out for each type.

Extraverts

If the first letter of the type is an E, such as ESTJ, then the dominant function (one of the middle two letters) is extraverted. The next step is to figure out to which one this is applied to. This is simple for extroverts, since the last letter tells us right away which function is extroverted. So if the last letter is a P, then the extroverted dominant will be the second letter, the perceiving function, Sensing in this example, and if it is a J, then it will be the third letter, the judging function - in this case, Thinking. In either case, the auxiliary function will be introverted. Thus, we can tell that the first or dominant function in the ESTJ is extraverted thinking, and the second is introverted sensing. The third function is the opposite of the second, and in this case is extraverted intuition, and the fourth is introverted feeling.

Introverts

If the first letter of the type is an I, such as in INFP, then the dominant is introverted. To figure out which of the middle two letters this applies to, remember that the last letter indicates which function is extraverted. Therefore, it is the other function that the dominant "I" will apply to. So if the last letter is a P, then the extroverted auxiliary function will be the second letter, the perceiving function (iNtuiting in this case), and the introverted dominant function will be the third letter, (the judging function, Feeling in this example). If it is a J, then the third letter, which is the judging function will be the extroverted auxiliary, and the second letter, the perceiving function will be the introverted dominant function. (The process may seem backwards and slightly confusing for introverts.) Already it is possible to tell that the INFP has an introverted dominant, and since their perceiving function (iNtuition) is extraverted, the dominant must be the judging function (Feeling). Thus the dominant function is introverted feeling, and the second function (the auxiliary) is extraverted intuition.

The four functions alternate in orientation. For introverts, the sequence would proceed introverted, extraverted, introverted, extraverted. The third function (the tertiary) is the opposite of the second, and the fourth is the opposite of the first. For an INFP, with introverted feeling and extraverted intuition, the third function is introverted sensing, and the fourth is extraverted thinking.

a dale viz ta funkcni tabulka