SHEFIK: keby z toho zachyteneho karbonu napriklad vyrabali karbonove monokoky pre osobne vozidla, tak by sa dalo par tun ulozit tam (aspon na tych 25 rokov alebo aku to bude mat zivotnost :))

GOJATLA: myslim, ze nemas dostatek predstavivosti a zamerujes svoje argumenty jen na jeden konkretni zpusob ccs, kterej verejne selhava (prefiltrovavat celou nasi atmosferu vetrakama).

Prikaldem ccs (i kdyz tohle uz je mozna na pomezi ccus), ktery muze rentabilne a dlouhodobe fungovat je napr.:

Ecotricity founder to grow diamonds 'made entirely from the sky' | Renewable energy | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/30/ecotricity-founder-to-grow-diamonds-made-entirely-from-the-sky

Ale uznavam, ze ccs se bude muset pri masovym nasazeni ekonomicky opirat bud o dotace, nebo naopak vynosy z emisnich povolenek (ktery nevycerpaj), nebo regulaci. Duvodem je to, ze je to nadbytecnej krok v procesu vyrobku a "trvale uskladneni odpadniho produktu" se da tezko zpenezit, podobne jako uskladneni jadernyho odpadu.

U ccus pak muze bejt situace jina. Utilizace uhliku/co2 muze v budoucnu i vynaset, zalezi na finalnim vyrobku/hodnote/marzi.

Dneska tezko soudit, maximalne se muzeme bavit o dojmech.

TADEAS: jj. vypadá to, že to tady můžeme pomalu zabalit. konkrétně teda zabalit do reflexní fólie...

SHEFIK:
GOJATLA: kdo by to byl jen čekal...

GOJATLA: to sice je, ale vyzvy jsou od toho, aby se pokorily :)

GOJATLA: tohle rozporuje jen jeden konkretni zpusob carbon capture, ale argumenty vztahuje na jakykoliv budouci mechanismus "ccs". Plus sam uznava, ze i tenhle mechanismus u source co2 bude davat ekonomicky smysl

SHEFIK: no jo, entropie je mrcha

Aaron Thiery
https://twitter.com/ThierryAaron/status/1438967180507353089?s=19

I'm increasingly of the view that for many grieving for an imagined future is a crucial right of passage before they feel able to reimagine their role in society. Avoiding this trauma prevents us both as individuals and as a collective from moving forwards

However, this work of emotional processing is much better done in community. Support networks working in with an ethic of mutual aid are crucial.

People are self-organising to provide spaces to do this inner work together.

Anxiety and biscuits: the climate cafes popping up around the world | Climate crisis | The Guardian
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/04/anxiety-and-biscuits-climate-cafes-popping-up-around-world


2019 Avoiding cultural trauma: climate change and social inertia

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09644016.2018.1562138

The failure of societies to respond in a concerted, meaningful way to climate change is a core concern of the social science climate literature. Existing explanations of social inertia display little coherence. Here, a theoretical approach is suggested that integrates disparate perspectives on social inertia regarding climate change. Climate change constitutes a potential cultural trauma. The threat of cultural trauma is met with resistance and attempts to restore and maintain the status quo. Thus, efforts to avoid large-scale social changes associated with climate change constitute an effort to avoid cultural trauma, and result in social inertia regarding climate change at individual, institutional, and societal levels. Existing approaches to social inertia are reviewed. An intellectual framework utilizing the work of Pierre Bourdieu is proposed to integrate these different levels of social interaction. Social processes that maintain social order and thus avoid cultural trauma create social inertia regarding climate change.