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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Thank you so much for ruining my day
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    What Big Oil knew about climate change, in its own words
    https://phys.org/news/2021-10-big-oil-knew-climate-words.html

    1959: "Whenever you burn conventional fuel," Teller explained, "you create carbon dioxide. … Its presence in the atmosphere causes a greenhouse effect." If the world kept using fossil fuels, the ice caps would begin to melt, raising sea levels. Eventually, "all the coastal cities would be covered,"

    1965: "The substance of the report," Ikard told the industry audience, "is that there is still time to save the world's peoples from the catastrophic consequences of pollution, but time is running out." He continued that "One of the most important predictions of the report is that carbon dioxide is being added to the earth's atmosphere by the burning of coal, oil, and natural gas at such a rate that by the year 2000 the heat balance will be so modified as possibly to cause marked changes in climate."

    Ikard noted that the report had found that a "nonpolluting means of powering automobiles, buses, and trucks is likely to become a national necessity."

    By the late 1970s, the American Petroleum Institute had formed a secret committee called the "CO2 and Climate Task Force," which included representatives of many of the major oil companies, to privately monitor and discuss the latest developments in climate science.

    In 1980, the task force invited a scientist from Stanford University, John Laurmann, to brief them on the state of climate science. Today, we have a copy of Laurmann's presentation, which warned that if fossil fuels continued to be used, global warming would be "barely noticeable" by 2005, but by the 2060s would have "globally catastrophic effects."

    Exxon had a secretive research program too. In 1981, one of its managers, Roger Cohen, sent an internal memo observing that the company's long-term business plans could "produce effects which will indeed be catastrophic (at least for a substantial fraction of the earth's population)."

    In 1986, the Dutch oil company Shell finished an internal report nearly 100 pages long, predicting that global warming from fossil fuels would cause changes that would be "the greatest in recorded history," including "destructive floods," abandonment of entire countries and even forced migration around the world. That report was stamped "CONFIDENTIAL" and only brought to light in 2018 by Jelmer Mommers, a Dutch journalist.

    1979: Exxon had privately studied options for avoiding global warming. It found that with immediate action, if the industry moved away from fossil fuels and instead focused on renewable energy, fossil fuel pollution could start to decline in the 1990s and a major climate crisis could be avoided.

    1989: the fossil fuel industry created something called the Global Climate Coalition—but it wasn't an environmental group like the name suggests; instead, it worked to sow doubt about climate change and lobbied lawmakers to block clean energy legislation and climate treaties throughout the 1990s.
    JINDRICH
    JINDRICH --- ---
    Jiří Koželouh
    Takže nová vláda a konec uhlí: ani 2030 podle předvolebních slibů @market_a nebo @MJureka
    či @PiratIvanBartos. Ani 2033 podle volebního programu PirSTAN a @Vit_Rakusan. Ale návrat k 2038, který neschválila ani vláda AB, protože je to nereálně pozdě. To je hrozná ostuda.
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    Díky nově přijatým závazkům světových zemí bude možné globální oteplení zastavit na +1,8 °C
    https://www.czechsight.cz/diky-nove-prijatym-zavazkum-svetovych-zemi-bude-mozne-globalni-otepleni-zastavit-na-1-8degc/

    Závazky by byly.
    KEB
    KEB --- ---
    YMLADRIS: nemají, ale Rusko sklízí co zaselo. Tak dlouho rozjebavali západ dezinfem, až si to dojebali i doma. Min lidí menší emise.

    A u nás z toho nejlepší managér na světě, svou nekompetenci a potřebou se do všeho srat, udělal kulturní válku, a ty jak známo nemívají vítěze...
    JINDRICH
    JINDRICH --- ---
    Make a #PromiseToThePlanet today
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auNpMyUJfVI
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    SHEFIK: USA Čína Indie a Rusko už mají po pandemii?

    .. ignoruj mě ve skutečnosti oceňuji tvou snahu tady nějak pozvednout morálku je fajn že to děláš. Jen prostě to že řešení existují bohužel nic neznamená
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    KEB: organizujou zachranu sveta, nemaj cas .]
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    SHEFIK: vubec ne. ja ocekavam serii diskontinuit, ktery pokud nebudou fatalni tu planetarni civilizaci zrodit muzou, ale bude to brutalni proces uceni... kulantne receno
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    YMLADRIS: souhlasim, proto je tak tezky otocit kormidlem. nastesti ne vsichni lidi sou v ridicich pozicich a osud zeme nelezi jen na predstavitelich cr.
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    SHEFIK: sejmul me ten kovid. Lidi nezvládnou ani blbý očkování. Kde brát víru že by proběhly společenské změny, které by byly potřeba
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    TADEAS: cekal bys ze dne na den, pripadne z roku na rok opacnej trend? Jakoze vypnem svetla a vsemohouci mavne renewable proutkem 8. dne a lidstvo bude spaseno?
    JINDRICH
    JINDRICH --- ---
    COP26 climate summit: A scientists’ guide to a momentous meeting
    https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-021-02815-w/index.html
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    SHEFIK: 'Veci se zlepsujou' :D to je neco jako 'decreasing the rate of increase'? :D
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    TADEAS: souhlasim. Ale change management vzdycky trva. A vetsi projekt lidstvo jeste nemelo, nejen komplexitou, ale i mnozstvim zainteresovanych lidi.

    Nejen Australie a UK uz do toho slapou, zbytek se casem prida. Tema je videt v mediich vic nez kdy driv. Za posledni rok se otocilo verejny povedomi a uz malokdo rozporuje, ze za problem muze primarne lidstvo, to je samo o sobe obrovskej posun. Zacaly se zavirat uhelky, vetsina bank a pojistoven uz s nima nechce mit nic spolecnyho. Cina prohlasila, ze nebude financovat uhelky v zahranici atd atd.

    Veci se zlepsujou, a proto nevidim duvod propadat depresi.

    Pisnicku si rad pustim .)
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    SHEFIK: je to zoufalost ohledne: [TADEAS @ Klimaticka zmena // Čechům vstup zakázán]

    kdy se to otoci? a co to znamena? :)

    optimismus neni na miste, jestli teda vyznavas tu realitu, sry .)

    Všechno bude fajn (Live)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y3WtLNybAc
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    TADEAS: nikdo prece nikdy netvrdil, ze jedno reseni vsecko spasi a jede se dal. Klima je komplexni problem a jeho reseni se sklada/bude skladat ze sady mnoha ruznych opatreni.

    Nicmene technologie pro transition toho nejvetsiho problemu, coz je "clean" energie a jeji rostouci poptavka uz existuji a budeme se v nich urcite jen zlepsovat. Energiim je pak nasledne vsecko podruzny. Materialy se daji premenovat do nekonecna.

    A pak samozrejme vycistit uhlikovej backlog, ale i na to uz tu probehlo spousta prispevku, od velryb, pres pudni prisady co vazou uhlik, regenerativni zemedelstvi, vytvareni diamantu ze vzduchu, kropeni mori zelezem atd atd.

    ....

    Ja nevim jestli se tu lidi v beznadeji radi vyzivaj, nicmene je fajn se obcas vratit do reality a zkusit jit tem resenim treba naproti, nebo je minimalne neignorovat
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    týpek co ho neznam a retweetuje ho Mann

    The Transapocalyptic Now - by Alex Steffen - The Snap Forward
    https://alexsteffen.substack.com/p/the-transapocalyptic-now

    Nothing that we currently know how to do will roll discontinuity backwards and restore a new continuity. Reversal is a myth. Healing ecosystems, restoring the atmosphere, preserving biodiversity — all are critical efforts, but even in the sunniest scenarios, we will never find ourselves living again on the same version of this planet our ancestors called home.

    ...

    We know from millennia of history that poor people forced into more desperate circumstances tend to fall back on the same few strategies. One is to deplete future resources in order to survive present challenges (the proverbial eating of the seed corn; cooking next year’s crop to make it through a tough winter). Another is conflict, seizing resources from others who have them. The third is to try to move to somewhere else where life may be easier (remember, for instance, the American Dust Bowl).

    ...

    From everything I’ve heard and read, though, no one studying these problems seriously expects them to get anything less than much worse.

    obrazek se tyka extremniho klima scenare

    JINDRICH
    JINDRICH --- ---
    Greta Thunberg: #COP26 has been named the most excluding COP ever.
    This is no longer a climate conference.
    This is a Global North greenwash festival.
    A two week celebration of business as usual and blah blah blah.
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    SHEFIK: muzes zacit tim, ze skrtnes CCS z klima scenaru.
    Kliknutím sem můžete změnit nastavení reklam