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    TUHOKlimaticka zmena / Destroying the Future Is the Most Cost-Effective
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    GOJATLA: tak realna hodnota penez je relativni. celkovejch globalnich zdroju diky valce neubylo. docasne se zablokovaly levny potraviny pro 3ti svet z ukrajiny a pracovni trh ruska a ukrajiny. nedokazu odhadnout, jako to bude mit vliv na trh prace v evrope/v cr... imho spousta mist se uvolnila (lidi budou min dostupny), takze mozna dalsi tlak na zvysovani platu ve spouste sfer, od IT, pres stavby, az po nikzonakladovy prace jako uklizecky. coz sice nektery vyrobky prodrazi (inflace de dlouhodobe ruku v ruce s rustem mezd, resp. mzdy jsou v zavesu), na druhou stranu to v horizontu vice let posili kupni silu evropy jeste vic. tohle je resitelny stanovenim minimalni mzdy a minimalizovani svarcsystemu. (vy vysledku musi zchudnout bud bohati/stredni trida, nebo chudi, zalezi jen na politicich)

    nicmene pokud treba UA uprchlici zustanou dlouhodobe v EU, pak bude efekt presne opacnej a vetsina obyvatel bude chudnout, pac platy nebudou mit duvod prirozene rust

    YMLADRIS: ano, to je bohuzel ten druhotnej efekt... priorita ted bude bezpecnost, a to nejen financne, ale i z pohledu mnozstvi temat k diskuzi... a protoze den ma jen 24 hod... :(

    na druhou stranu, pokud nedojde k prusvihu v cine, porad muzeme napr. FVE dovazet. jejich business case ted bude nekolikanasobnej (navratnos v radu jednotek let), takze bych spis cekal problem s nedostatecne uspokojenou poptavkou, nez s poptavkou jako takovou. tady bude brzda porad ten covid a zpomaleni dodavatelskejch retezcu :(

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    ve vysledku vsecky tyhle zdrazeni jsou dobre a nahravaj renewables/sustainability i lepsimu politickymu usporadani sveta. problem je a vzdy bude s nejakym politickym nastavenim a rychlosti prubehu, aby ti nejchudsi nemuseli bejt pri svickach celorocne na celeru v nejaky ubytovne
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    SHEFIK: #kecy a nepripada ti nejpravdepodobnejsi ze investice ted pujdou do zbrojeni, dotace pujdou od odvraceni obcanskych nepokoju (drahe potraviny, energie, ...) a energetika se bude resit nejlevnejsi cestou tj uhelky?

    ja ale te makroekonomii nerozumim. nevim co je realny delat
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    SHEFIK: Jenomže teď už to půjde podstatně hůř. Na soběstačnost jsme měli myslet dřív, zateplit domy, instalovat soláry a větrníky. Ceny teď půjdou skokem nahoru. Místo toho jsme blouznili o jádru, který vyjde mnohem dráž a se soběstačností nemá nic společného. A neuděli jsme nic.
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    PER2: tak on covid nejaky investice nastartoval (na deklarativni urovni), ale zaroven je svym zpusobem i brzdil.

    Co se deje ted je mnohem pritomnejsi vsem. Popirat covid muzes a utikat od nej nekam k mori, ale inflace na vsech frontach a realny ohrozeni obyvatel evropy, ze strany ruska je vic nez pritomny a jen tak nezmizi. Plus hladomory tim po svete vyvolany.

    Je to samozrejme jen imho, ale osobne ocekavam pruznejsi a globalnejsi reakci, ne jak zachranit klima, ale jak se energeticky vymanit ze zavislosti nebezpecnejch rezimu. Ono uz to napr. soucast nejaky hydrogen strategy bylo i predtim, ted ten business case ale dostava uplne jinej rozmer.
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    Jinak o tom co udělá klima s Čínou píše Alfred McCoy:

    Will the Fight for Hegemony Survive Climate Change? | The Nation
    https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/climate-china-usa-beijing/

    Together, the planet’s two great imperial powers, China and the United States, accounted for 44 percent of total CO2 emissions in 2019 and so far both have made painfully slow progress toward renewable energy. In a joint declaration at the November 2021 Glasgow climate conference, the United States agreed “to reach 100% carbon-pollution-free electricity by 2035,” while China promised to “phase down” (but note, not “phase out”) coal starting with its “15th Five-Year Plan.”

    The US commitment soon died a quiet death in Congress, where President Biden’s own party killed his green-energy initiative. Amid all the applause at Glasgow, nobody paid much attention to the fact that China’s next five-year plan doesn’t even start until 2026, just as President Xi Jinping’s promise of carbon neutrality by 2060 is a perfect formula for not averting the climate disaster that awaits us all.

    In its hell-bent drive for development, in other words, China is digging its own grave (and ours as well).
    ...
    Even if China were to become the preeminent world power around 2030, the accelerating pace of climate change will likely curtail its hegemony within decades. As global warming batters the country by mid-century, Beijing will be forced to retreat from its projection of global power to address urgent domestic concerns.

    ...by 2060 or 2070, flood areas inhabited by 275 million people worldwide, with Shanghai deemed “the most vulnerable major city in the world to serious flooding.” In that sprawling metropolis, 17.5 million people are likely to be displaced as most of the city “could eventually be submerged in water, including much of the downtown area.”
    ...
    Simultaneously, soaring temperatures are expected to devastate the North China Plain between Beijing and Shanghai, one of that country’s prime agricultural regions currently inhabited by 400 million people, nearly a third of that country’s population. It could, in fact, potentially become one of the most lethal places on the planet.
    ...
    If the “Chinese century” does indeed start around 2030, it’s unlikely to last long once its main financial center at Shanghai is flooded out and its agricultural heartland is baking in insufferable heat.
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    GOJATLA: tykalo se to te jaderne valky, ze nemam dojem ze by ted melo jit o celosvetovy konflikt vcetne Asie
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    YMLADRIS: #kecy - 1800 years ago, nase rimske imperium prosperuje, neni duvod, aby nas nekdo anihiloval
    GOJATLA
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    YMLADRIS: myslis ze precka i +4 C? Zrovna Cina bude prvni na rane, ma sice moznost uniku na Sibir, ale navrat do stredoveku je celkem pravdepodobny.
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    GOJATLA: #kecy podle me civilizace jako takova ted neni v ohrozeni. Cina prosperuje a neni duvod aby ji nekdo anihiloval
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    YMLADRIS: Bezva, takze pro biosferu lepsi vyhlidky nez hothouse Earth? Mozna to precka i nejaka forma civilizace? Hned mam lepsi naladu :-)
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    tohle si pusťte:
    Martin M. Šimečka: Připravovat se na válku je jako připravovat se na smrt • RESPEKT
    https://www.respekt.cz/podcasty/martin-m-simecka-pripravovat-se-na-valku-je-jako-pripravovat-se-na-smrt
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    YMLADRIS: a k vzteku by bylo, kdyby to pak ufoni ani nenechali odpalit :(
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    GOJATLA: zima by zpomalila oteplování, ale není to ten případ kdy pochcípají všichni savci. To bys musel údajně nejdřív vytěžit veškeré zbývající Uran udělat z něj bomby a pak to odpálit celý najednou, čím by ses dostal asi na sílu kterou měl asteroid který sejmul dinosaury. Zdroj kurzgesagt
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    SHEFIK:
    #realist/pessimist

    rozhodne je to dalsi prilezitost a skvela moznost vyuzit to k rychlejsi transformaci energetiky, ale po zkusenostech s vyuzitim transformace v dobe covidu, bych krotil tvuj optimismus

    jako daleko realnejsi vidim spis rozsireni tezby uhli/plynu/ropy/prolomeni limitu, rozjeti uhelek naplno atp... jakmile nas dozenou ceny, ktere pujdou nahoru a to nejen v energetickem sektoru(a to pravdepodobne jiz brzy), lidi budou chtit okamzita reseni + uvidime jak moc je evropa stale solidarni s ukrajinou v takove situaci a jestli ten putinuv plyn/ropa nebude shudnejsi reseni i pres ty jeho male bezvyznamne pehlednutelne preslapy, ehm

    a jedna paralela, jak dlouho nas ruzni lide varovali pred ruskem a jak to vsichni vesele ignorovali, nez k tomu nakonec doslo a bylo pozde
    a jak dlouho nas ruzni lide varuji ped zmenou klimatu ..... ted se prece mame dobre, takze se nic takoveho urcite nemuze stat, ze....




    GOJATLA: nasi predci prezili doby ledove, neni duvod, aby i tohle nekdo neprezil
    GOJATLA
    GOJATLA --- ---
    YMLADRIS: Takže nuklearni zima by nebyla tak zla? Nehrozi 10 let tmy, kterou prezijou jen lisejniky? Moc jsem to nestudoval, necekam, ze by k tomu doslo. Narozdil od lokalniho konfliktu, napr indie a pakistanu.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Pod čarou: Solarpunk. Snění o lepší a funkční budoucnosti - Seznam Zprávy
    https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/domaci-zivot-v-cesku-pod-carou-solarpunk-sneni-o-lepsi-a-funkcni-budoucnosti-191909
    SHEFIK
    SHEFIK --- ---
    #optimist

    Imho je tohle prilezitost a potencialni akcelerace transformace, ktera sice kratkodobe vyvola vetsi tlak na fosil, ale tim tlakem samotnym nastavi i zrcadlo. A pokud to vlady ukociruji, muze dojit i k masivnim investicim do renewables/clean sources, vcetne zdroju hnojiva, nebo regenerative/sustainable pristupu.

    Ale o to vic to bude nektery lidi bolet a o to tezsi to bude pro zvoleny politiky. V kratky dobe budou bojovat na nekolika frontach - obrovska inflace u nezbytnych statku - jidlo, preprava; drahe energie; politicka a bezpecnostni stabilita.

    Jestli ma lidstvo jeste sanci na sustainabilitu at uz svou politickou reprezentaci, nebo pochopenim globalniho kontextu a jeho podpory se projevi v nejblizsich letech... pokud ne, pak to bude opravdu doom koncem stoleti
    DNF
    DNF --- ---
    V podstate jen urychleni toho, by cekalo vase deti v jejich super krasne budoucnosti. #doomsayer
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    PER2: projistotu jsem $doom short i long zaroven.
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    TADEAS: porad tu mame ve hre ty atomovky :p
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    PER2: roztomilé, skoro tak jako aktivisti volající po snížení outputu. tak a teď nevím, co si mám vybrat.
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    YMLADRIS: tak to vychází nádherně, skoro jako padající křivka emisí... a pak by byl zbytek století na dohlazení viď
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    TUHO: wen $doom to the moon? .) wen 1 lambo = 1 potato
    YMLADRIS
    YMLADRIS --- ---
    #kecy Dívala jsem se jak by to bylo s tou totálně vyhlazovací jadernou válkou, a vychází to na 3B mrtvejch lidí (kdyby se 15k existujících atomovek rovnoměrně rozmístilo na 4000 světových velkých měst, pro co největší damage). Zbytek by přežil, bylo by více rakoviny. Versus ten uvažovaný pokles populace na 1B v případě oteplení o dostatek stupňů ke konci století kvůli rozpadu klimatu.
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    TADEAS: tak dik, se mi ted bude bezva spat :D no kazdopadne letos si se sazenim zemiaku dam zalezet
    TADEAS
    TADEAS --- ---
    Putin’s energy shock is becoming a world food crisis. Brace for rationing.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/putin-s-energy-shock-is-becoming-a-world-food-crisis-brace-for-rationing-20220304-p5a1m8.html

    The world faces what amounts to a commodity “black swan” across the gamut of primary resources. Oil, gas, coal and the “ags” are all spiralling higher together, with metals catching up fast. It is a systemic stagflation shock, an intractable problem for central bankers. It acts like a war reparations tax on the economies of importing nations and is ultimately contractionary.

    Natasha Kaneva, from JP Morgan, said inventories of tradable commodities are critically low and the world is running out of safety buffers. This is a recipe for “non-linear price increases”, she said.

    Unlike the West, China is prepared. It has been stocking up for months and holds 84 per cent of the world’s copper, 70 per cent of its corn and 51 per cent of its wheat. “China has bought enormous quantities of US soy in recent weeks,” said Rabobank. One might ask if Xi Jinping knew something in advance.

    Record food commodity prices are an ordeal by fire for some 45 poorer countries that rely heavily on food imports: the Maghreb, the non-oil Middle East, swathes of Africa, Bangladesh or Afghanistan. The World Food Programme warned of “catastrophic” scarcity for several hundred million people last November. The picture is worse today.

    ...

    Energy and farm commodities are interlinked. Natural gas is a feedstock for fertiliser production in Europe, and lest we forget, Russia and Belarus together account for a third of the world’s exports of potash. Rocketing oil prices are driving a switch to biodiesel in south-east Asia, further tightening the global market for vegetable oils.

    ...

    Roughly a third of world exports of barley come from Russia and Ukraine combined, 29 per cent of wheat, 19 per cent of maize, as well as 80 per cent of sunflower oil. Much of this is usually shipped through the Black Sea ports of Odesa, or Kherson - scene of hand-to-hand street battles until it fell on Wednesday - or Mykolaiv, where a Russian missile hit a Bangladeshi-flagged bulk carrier this week and killed one of the crew.

    “Loading is at a standstill. It is not just the ports: you can’t get a ship in there. Nobody wants to get stranded,” said Mr Abbassian. Lloyd’s List reports that the northern Black Sea and the Azov have been declared “warlike operations areas’, implying double pay for crews, if you can get them.

    Insurance rates are prohibitive and banks are refusing letters of credit, even though grains, fertilisers and energy products are exempt from sanctions. Shippers are scrambling to find out what it means for a counterparty to be “connected with Russia”.

    Everybody is wary of the US Treasury’s sanctions police, known as OFAC (US Office of Foreign Assets Control). The US law firm Crowell and Moring said clients fear that they may be caught in the net inadvertently, given that targeted oligarchs control much of Russia’s agro-industrial nexus in one way or another. Every transaction has to be screened to the finest detail.

    “Russian and Ukrainian wheat are not being offered. Critical corn flows to the world are being stymied. If Ukraine farmers do not plant substantial quantities of corn next month, the supply crunch will be very severe,” said Rabobank.

    ...

    Smaller farmers in Russia have been shut out of the domestic credit market just before planting season. Emergency tightening by the central bank has lifted average loan cost to 27 per cent this week.

    Chicago wheat futures have hit an all-time high of $US1,131. The squeeze is worse for the rest of the world because the broad dollar index is up 30 per cent since the last peak in 2008.

    For good measure, Rabobank says we must contend with intense La Niña weather patterns and drought in Brazil and Argentina. “Grain shortfalls are likely to be so pronounced as to require demand destruction, or rationing,” it said.


    TADEAS:
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    TUHO: "Je čas na odvážné činy"
    ja bych si o tom radsi jeste par(desitek) let povidal, pro jistotu :)
    TUHO
    TUHO --- ---
    Ruská agrese zatřásla s plány na transformaci energetiky. Je čas na odvážné činy
    https://denikreferendum.cz/clanek/33737-ruska-agrese-zatrasla-s-plany-na-transformaci-energetiky-je-cas-na-odvazne-ciny
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    IPCC Climate Last Warning
    https://youtu.be/sE0J6T5FArQ
    PER2
    PER2 --- ---
    :)

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