a jeste k tomu zvyseni hladiny oceanu “o centimetry”:

In its 2019 report, the IPCC projected (chart above) 0.6 to 1.1 meters (1 to 3 feet) of global sea level rise by 2100 (or about 15 millimeters per year) if greenhouse gas emissions remain at high rates (RCP8. 5). By 2300, seas could stand as much as 5 meters higher

GOJATLA: urcite vyfouknout gumy matce deti, ktery poridil auto bohatej manzel co ani nevi jak vypada molekula co2 je resenim :D

Hele ona ta chyba je v systemu. Fosil nam umoznil dostat se civilizacne kde jsme a navrat do jeskyne uz proste pro 7+ miliard lidi nejde. To reseni musi bejt systemovy, musi ho vytvaret a provozovat lidi co chodi do skol s inovativnim vzdelanim, je lidi so pisou uhlem na papir z brizy.

Zaroven nerikam, ze jednotlivec nema nic delat, jednotlivec je a vzdy bude soucast systemu a jako takovej je spoluzodpovednej za jeho zmenu. Ale poskozovani soukromyho vlastnictvi jeste nikoho nikam neposunulo.

GLOBETROTTER: no tak ja ti to doplnim. Budes ignorovat poskozeny brzdy, i presto, ze vis, ze dokud nevymenis levou pneu, budou se ti tam znovu nicit? Ne, logicky vymenis brzdy, abys neumrel v prvni zatacce a pojedes dal s vyfouklou pneu. Az ji opravis, budes holt muset znovu resit brzdy. Ja nevim jak to mas doma, nebo v praci, ale clovek prece denne resi x problemu se stejnou prioritou. Kazdej den je potreba se nazrat i vykadit, jedno bez druhyho nejde

a btw prave klimaticky zmeny zpusobujiu stresory, ktery muzou odstartovavat valky (viz dlouhodoby sucho a souvisejici valka v syrii, arabske jaro etc)

GLOBETROTTER: a) dle myho hrozne podcenujes damage klimaticky zmeny. tady nejde o nejaky drobnosti, ale treba riziko globalniho hladomoru, migracnich vln o miliardach lidi, protoze velky casti planety se stanou neobyvatelnymi de facto b)rychla dekarnonizace = zbaveni se zavislosti na ruskem importu gosilnich paliv (ze kterych putler financuje svoji vojenskou diktaturu)

SHEFIK: Argumentuješ jak popírači, osobní emise jsou zanedbatelné, problém je v systému. Ti, co mají moc, si myslí, že smyslem života je vydělat co nejvíc peněz, i když tím zničí většinu života na Zemi. Mně přijde ok jim dát najevo, že se nemají čím chlubit. Ať parkují radši v garáži než na chodniku.

GLOBETROTTER: ta tvoje prioritizace nedava smysl

Zkusim ti odpovedet taky analogii. Mas auto. Mas sjetou gumu na jednom kole a brzdy za hranici zivotnosti. Budes ty veci resit obe najednou, nebo je jedna z nich dulezitejsi a tu druhou vyignorujes?

Nektery problemy sou proste komplexni. Navic chytrym resenim muzes do budoucna vyresit obe najednou. Pokud prejdeme na clean energeticky zdroje, budeme i lokalne vice sobestacni... muze to vyresit hodne autokratickejch rezimu, protoze je odstrihneme od financovani a oni se sami od sebe zhrouti

GOJATLA: tak me napada, prestanou ty lidi pouzivat suv, kvuli vyfouknutymu kolu? Nebo si tahle grupa lidi zavola odtahovku ci pouzije elektrickou pumpu... oboji spotrebuje energii/co2 aktualne. Akorat zhorsujou klimatickou situaci... kdyby radsi pomohli s transformaci energetiky

GLOBETROTTER: klimaticka zmena bude pokracovat do jisty miry i bez lidsky civilizace. nevypada to, ze by i velka nuklearni valka tu civilizaci mela ukoncit i kdyby probehla, naopak velky zvuseni teploty planety to udelat schopny je

GLOBETROTTER: to ze na ukrajine probiha valka, nijak neodstranilo oteplovani planety a problemy s tim spojene, spise naopak

Dusty Hinz
28. říjen 2021
https://www.facebook.com/dusty.hinz/posts/10100421344125518


I think one of the fundamental questions of our time is, are we down to walk away from the comforts and ease that modern, technological, fossil fuels-based, industrial civilization provides us? Yet it is excruciatingly rare that I ever hear the question asked.

If we are not, if we are going to ride this thing out to the scorched-earth bitter end, which is what it seems, then most other things are just bull shit posturing and fantastical techno-saviorist illusions.

There is a zero sum game between all human activity and the rest of all nature. There is no techno-futurist utopia. Solar panels and wind turbines are not going to save us. In fact, as Jeff Gibbs says, we would do well to stop calling these forms of energy "renewable" or "sustainable", and should instead call them "technological energy".

Not once, never have I ever heard on NPR when they are discussing climate change, a reference to the need for what I will call an ecological, bioregional embeddedness. Nothing even remotely close to this concept.

I also think that just using the term "climate change" as a catch-all for all environmental issues is reductive and does a disservice to the multitude of crises that we face. As if, hey, let's just suck some carbon out of the atmosphere and we can go back to business as usual....this line of thinking is a fatal mistake.

Mostly, a far-ranging, full-on assault is being waged against all of nature. So I prefer to use the term "eco-catastrophe" or "the converging eco-catastrophes".

I don't think people really grasp the extent to which pretty much all aspects of modern life are bound up with the abundant use of fossil fuels, and thus, the monumental amount of sacrifice and hard-work it would take create an *actually* sustainable world that did not use them.

It would take an upending. The vast majority of people would have to do something completely different on a day-to-day basis. Literally, the physical, material aspect of it all. They may not even be able to live where they currently live (cue the person that says "oh, you are talking about forced relocations"...no, what I am saying is that if something is not sustainable, then it's not sustainable, and there is no getting around that fact.)

So, what I am saying, is that without a collective social vision, in which most of the population coalesces around a place-based, ecological, bioregional embeddedness, which would think deeply about the systems that we need and from my view would be agrarian and horticultural with a healthy dose of rewilding, and would prioritize agroforestry efforts...without this, the future seems to be one destined for a tragic, bleak, scorched-earth.