YMLADRIS: to sem netusil, pac u nas doma se to moc nedeje, ale je fakt ze s detma je to vetai challenge a mame hladovyho psa...

myslel sem ze trzne se to nejak utilizuje (napr. zbytky z restauraci pro prasata), ale u jedincu/entit co plejtvaj s tim asi tezko neco delat...

Dokonce je to globalne 30%
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Food Waste
https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/food-waste_en

In the EU, around 88 million tonnes of food waste are generated annually with associated costs estimated at 143 billion euros (FUSIONS, 2016). While an estimated 20% of the total food produced is lost or wasted, 33 million people cannot afford a quality meal every second day (Eurostat, 2018).

Globally, approximately a third of all food produced for human consumption is lost or wasted (FAO, 2011). FAO’s Food Loss Index (FLI) estimates that globally, around 14 percent of all food produced is lost from the post-harvest stage up to, but excluding, the retail stage

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support the fight against climate change (food waste alone generates 8-10% of global greenhouse gas emissions (UNEP Food Waste Index 2021))

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Factors contributing to food waste include:

-Insufficient shopping and meal planning
-Shopping environment (e.g. promotions like "buy one, get one free" that may lead to impulse buying and over-purchase)
-Misunderstandings about the meaning of "best before" and "use by" date labels leading to edible foods being thrown away
-Insufficient food management skills (e.g. meal preparation, use of food/food ingredients in-stock, use of leftovers)
-Packaging difficult to empty or too large
-Aesthetic considerations (bruised fruit and vegetables etc.)
-Standardised portion sizes in restaurants and canteens
-Difficulty in anticipating the number of customers (a problem for catering services)
-Stock management issues for manufacturers and retailers
-High quality standards (e.g. for produce sold at retail)
-Overproduction or lack of demand for certain products at certain times of the year
-Production errors, products and/or labelling not meeting specifications
-Product and packaging damage (farmers and food manufacturing)
-Inadequate storage/transport at all stages of the food chain including households (e.g. refrigerator temperatures)
-Lack of knowledge and/or misinformation on the environmental, social and financial impacts of food waste
-Low perceived value of food
-Busy lifestyle and conflicting priorities

TADEAS: Nemělo to být před již dávnými lety zakázáno v celé EU? Nebo jsme jen předstihli dobu a "vymlouvali" se na EU?

jeste bych doplnila point z toho Termination Shock, ze ono totiz jeste zalezi na tom, odkud presne se ta sira strili. Sira strilena z Texasu ma jine ucinky nez z Filipin. Nejde o plosne otaceni termostatem, ale o ovlivnovani ruznych casti sveta ruzne. Podle Stephensonova nazoru se kolem toho daji ocekavat solidni valky (jeden stat nekde neco strili a na druhe strane planety to ovlivni monzun atd)

YMLADRIS: zrovna sira je zajimava, protoze v lodni doprave mam za to ze probehlo vyrazny odsireni, coz je jeden z tech aerosol masking efektu, tj. odsirujeme, podobne jako budeme elektrifikovat, ale to vede ke zvyseni teploty

TUHO: IPCC is like Stephensonova romanova zapletka (ruzny narody a skupiny chteji a nechteji strilet siru do ovzdusi) is legit

The report says that solar geoengineering “may also introduce novel risks for international collaboration and peace”. It continues:

“Conflicting temperature preferences between countries may lead to counter-geoengineering measures, such as deliberate release of warming agents or destruction of deployment equipment. Game-theoretic models and laboratory experiments indicate a powerful actor or group with a higher preference for SRM may use [aerosol release] to cool the planet beyond what is socially optimal.”

Amy Westerwelt
https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/status/1511002018185244676?s=19

I wrote about this @guardian previously, but fossil fuel influence in the IPCC is a huge issue that pretty much gets ignored at the release of every report:

Our climate solutions are failing - and Big Oil’s fingerprints are all over them | Amy Westervelt | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/07/climate-solutions-big-oil-ipcc-report

SHEFIK: jeste jsem zapomnel dodat, ze pokud se opravdu bavime o tom regenerativnim pristupu skrze pastvy, tak vysledky studii z USA jsou o 20-30% mensi produkce. pokud to vztahnu globalne na pesimisticky scenar, tak tretina populace upadne do hladomoru, nebo musim plochy na zemi pro pestovani rozsirit o 30%

a to slo o studii, kde puda, lokace atd. byla vhodna na regenerativni pastvu. nejsem odbornik, ale predpokladam, ze ne vsude je tenhle pristup mozny, pripadne rozdily produkce mohou byt hlubsi

PETER_PAN: mohl bys rozvyst jak by to konkretneji vypadalo, pripadne link? jde o regenerativni pristup skrze pastvy co tu Tadeas evangelizuje?

... moc mi to nejde do hlavy, pac mame nejakej pristup intenzivniho zemedelstvi, tzn. dnesni pristup by mel byt ten ktery dostane maximumum z plochy (za co nejmene nakladu; pomijim taky dlouhodoby horizont a vycerpavani pudy). pokud pujdeme zpet ke zviratum, tzn, zvirata budou muset resit 'plevel', sazeni, sklizeni a nejakou maintenance (pesticidy, herbicidy atd.)

.. pritom pokud uvazuju samotna zvirata, napr. dobytek pro orbu (o konich moc nevim), mam na produkci jednoho kg ziveho masa 15.000 litru vody a vzhledem k tomu, ze to zvire pak neporazim (minimalne ne po dobu kdy bude fungovat). urcite to nebude 1 traktor : 1 vul

... u dobytka musim zohlednit produkci metanu a co2 (opet by bylo fajn srovnani fosil vs. zvirata, co produkuji sklenikove plyny celorocne)

... a pak posledni, nemene vyznamna vec a tou je plocha:
a) musim je denne krmit - zelenou pici treba 40-60 kg denne (prosim o opravu pokud spatne interpretuju, zdrojovy link nize), budu potrebovat vyrazne vetsi plochy nez dosud
b) predpokladam, ze na zasety plose je nechat past nemuzu
c) predpokladam, ze pri orani pomoci zvirat nedosahnu stejne presnosti seti (male vzdalenosti), jako s traktorem, tedy hektarova produkce mi bude klesat
d) nemohu je nechat past v zime, tzn. pres leto musi byt vyrazne vetsi nadprodukce pro udrzbu tehle novych zvirat oproti soucasnemu intenzivnimu zemedelstvi

je to fyzicky vubec proveditelne, abychom si udrzeli alespon ten objem potravy co aktualne mame a nepribyvalo hladomoru? treba se pletu, ale imho tohle neni cesta kupredu.

(https://www.zootechnika.cz/clanky/chov-skotu/krmiva-a-krmeni-skotu/zaklady-vyzivy-skotu.html)

TADEAS: to diky tve osvete chapu a chapu, ze tohle davalo smysl, kdyz nas bylo na planete 100.000, ale pro 8 miliard?

mj. to chlazeni, mrazeni, suseni a transport jako output budes muset resit stejne, v ramci soucasne civilizace / kulturniho nastaveni vetsiny populace.

jinak sustainable nitrogen uz jsem linkoval
Clean Hydrogen as A Major Enabler for Making Carbon-Free Ammonia and Fertilizers - The European Files
https://www.europeanfiles.eu/climate/clean-hydrogen-as-a-major-enabler-for-making-carbon-free-ammonia-and-fertilizers

TADEAS: konflikt moralnich idealu X reality soucasne udrzitelnosti

Idealni moralni reseni neni v dosahu a nebude dokud nedobehne transformace energetiky

Veris, ze jsme aktualne schopni nahradit diesel v ekosystemu zviraty, aniz by to melo dopad na objem rocni produkce? (Naklady by sly nahoru urcite predpokladam, pac obhospodarovat jedno zvire je casove narocnejsi nez traktor)

fight of the century:

klima ochranci - konec dieselu!
klima ochranci - konec vyuzivani zvirat!

nicmene realita je, ze konec dieselu znamena vyssi miru vyuzivani zvirat -v ekosystemu-. so sad ,)