YMLADRIS: to zni dost zoufale :) ja rikam, ze ty (ohraniceny) rozhodnuti, vcetne turismu jsme schopny delat uz dnes a delame je. Jsou na to metodiky, mame cisla.

Ale jasne, alternativou je, ze muzem pockat dalsi desitky let, jestli to mozna nekdo nebo neco nevyresi za nas. Mezitim muzem treba zacit prodavat chlazeny pivo v kraterech sopek, nekomu to zvedne naladu a treba vyvola neco dobryho.

ZAHRADKAR: eutanazie. to je bezva a dari se ji v tom nejak mit nejaky impakt?

Indie. Ja bych chtela aby otec meho ditete vzal moje dite (az mu bude 15 nebo tak) se podivat jak se zije v Indii.

Civilizace. Kvuli cemu se snazime stoupat po Kardashev scale. Tak zase, musel bys zadefinovat co to je to "dobro" (budoucich generaci).
Mi by pro zacatek stacilo, kdyby byl nejaky vedomy globalni projekt, at uz borgsky nebo jiny. Ted to citim spis tak ze zapadni DNA proste prinesla nejakou mutaci, ktera optimalizuje na zvysovani komplexity struktur. Lidi jsou tim posednuti a nese je (nas) to. Jestli je to nahoda, nebo to teda ma byt smysl existence, to nevim a nevim jak by se dalo zjistit.

TADEAS: nejsem si jistej, jestli sem dostatecne edukovanej v tyhle oblasti, abych rozumnel :)

Dichotomie je dle wiki rozdeleni do neprekryvajicich se celku. Ale ja mluvim o opaku, ta organizace je subset urcitych cilu a zameru ruznych jednotlivcu. To co spojuje ty jednotlivce a vytvari to jejich rozhodnuti jsou na vrcholu pyramidy ty hodnoty (moralni, financni, rodinne ...) a pak samozrejme dostatek informaci ohledne impaktu.

Jinak organizace lidi je dynamicka, dle zameru a efektivity, nikdy neni dokonala a imho nikdy nebude planetarne holisticka :) uz jen z duvodu, ze den ma 24 hod. Tam zas musi byt breakdown na decentralizovana/specializovana rozhodnuti a ty ruzne urovne a nastaveni organizaci jsou si diky tomu vzajemne nekompatibilni (nemluve o lidech a jejich zivotnich situacich, kteri tu entropii jeste navysuji)

//asi uz jsem offtopic

TADEAS: turismus - co kdyz to zasadne posiluje lasku pravdu a krasu tim, ze lidi jsou v kontaktu s cizinci a prekonava to vseobecnou xenofobii. indukuje to v nich globalnejsi pohled. kdyz byli v cine je pro ne narocnejsi vymistovat cinany do nejakyho toho Other ktery muze za vsechno..

TADEAS: hm dendronetwork zajímavej, ale intersucho říká nebývalá pohoda za několik let

PALEONTOLOG: Pardonek

UVM Scientists Unearth Bad News for Our Climate Future Beneath the Greenland Ice Sheet | Seven Days Vermont
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/news/uvm-scientists-unearth-bad-news-for-our-climate-future-beneath-the-greenland-ice-sheet-39281796

jsem stepi long a lesy short, jak vy

TUHO: Ale safra, tohle je zajimavy taky, ale chtel jsem poslat toto:

The plan, called Project Iceworm, was ostensibly top secret, though an article published in Popular Science in the early 1960s disclosed the military's intention to build a "subway under the ice" that would shuttle as many as 600 ballistic missiles through a network of tunnels, making them less vulnerable to a Soviet first strike.

In 1959, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began building a military base, Camp Century, buried 150 feet below the surface of the Greenland ice cap. The base had chemistry labs, hot showers, a chapel, a movie theater and as many as 200 inhabitants who lived there year-round. The nuclear missiles were never deployed, but the entire base was powered by a portable nuclear reactor.

Part of the Army's interest in Camp Century, in addition to hiding nuclear missiles, was to study the feasibility of living and traveling in extreme environments in the event of conflict with the Soviet Union in the far north. By the 1950s, the military had documented the retreat of arctic sea ice. If the ice were to melt, the military needed to know how that would affect its ability to defend against a Soviet attack over the arctic circle.